Tyson Fury ducks Kubrat Pulev

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 02 Jun 2013, 12:15

haye pulls out vs charr, says fury is a natural fight, then fury pulled out of purse bids v pulev...

haye-fury, regardless of how the fight turns out, is a mega-event that will propel the winner into a world title fight perhaps of their choosing.

DMA1987 · Post by **DMA1987** » 02 Jun 2013, 12:31

Haye is giving away 6 inches in reach and height. Thats as well as over 40lbs based on their last fight weight and it shouldn't be ignored.

The last time we saw stats like that it was Valuev - who boxed all wrong and didn't use his size to keep Haye away from him. If Fury stays behind a jab, Haye will have an extremely tough time of it.

Haye can't put Fury to sleep if he can't get to him. It is definitely not a write off of a fight like say Harrison and Haye was.

A lot of this fight will hinge on whether Haye can drag Fury into a brawl, much like Cunningham did (Furys game-plan went clear out of the window). If he can, Haye hits harder than Cunningham, it will be a Haye KO win.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 02 Jun 2013, 12:52

Haye's wins at heavyweight - Bonin (TKO1), Barrett (TKO 5), Valuev (MD 12), Ruiz (TKO 9), Harrison (TKO 3) & Chisora (TKO 5)

Wow, what a murderers' row that is! Fury doesn't stand a chance!

Pug1 · Post by **Pug1** » 02 Jun 2013, 12:59

Horse wrote:Haye's wins at heavyweight - Bonin (TKO1), Barrett (TKO 5), Valuev (MD 12), Ruiz (TKO 9), Harrison (TKO 3) & Chisora (TKO 5)

Wow, what a murderers' row that is! Fury doesn't stand a chance!

Hard to argue with that. Haye picks cherries better than any cherry picker I know.

keithmoonhangover · Post by **keithmoonhangover** » 02 Jun 2013, 13:08

Pug1 wrote:
Horse wrote:Haye's wins at heavyweight - Bonin (TKO1), Barrett (TKO 5), Valuev (MD 12), Ruiz (TKO 9), Harrison (TKO 3) & Chisora (TKO 5)

Wow, what a murderers' row that is! Fury doesn't stand a chance!
Hard to argue with that. Haye picks cherries better than any cherry picker I know.

You're talking bollocks and I'm Fury's #1 fan.

lillywhite14 · Post by **lillywhite14** » 02 Jun 2013, 13:20

DMA1987 wrote:Haye is giving away 6 inches in reach and height. Thats as well as over 40lbs based on their last fight weight and it shouldn't be ignored.

The last time we saw stats like that it was Valuev - who boxed all wrong and didn't use his size to keep Haye away from him. If Fury stays behind a jab, Haye will have an extremely tough time of it.

Haye can't put Fury to sleep if he can't get to him. It is definitely not a write off of a fight like say Harrison and Haye was.

A lot of this fight will hinge on whether Haye can drag Fury into a brawl, much like Cunningham did (Furys game-plan went clear out of the window). If he can, Haye hits harder than Cunningham, it will be a Haye KO win.

Valuev shouldn't have tried to keep Haye away from him he should have chased him, mauled and leaned all over him in that fight.

Fury isn't good enough to keep away from Haye and he doesn't possess the jab to build on.

He needs to use his extra weight and size to do exactly what Valuev should have done. He did it against Cunningham in the end and it was the reason he won.
In terms of actual talent Haye and Fury are chalk and cheese. If they were both 6ft Fury wouldn't even break past domestic level.

Fury can win this fight but its quite unlikely. I think Haye knocks him out.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 02 Jun 2013, 13:20

Pug1 wrote:Hard to argue with that. Haye picks cherries better than any cherry picker I know.

Haye's a very good fighter, but he is a cherry-picker and he does seem to be massively overrated based on what he has actually done at heavyweight.

If Haye stops Fury, it will be his best win at heavyweight.

CiganoBoxer · Post by **CiganoBoxer** » 02 Jun 2013, 13:21

Some silly talk on this thread with people suggesting Furys chin is worse that Prices

This is not no 2-3 round walk over for Haye ...believe .

Pug1 · Post by **Pug1** » 02 Jun 2013, 13:22

keithmoonhangover wrote:
Pug1 wrote:
Horse wrote:Haye's wins at heavyweight - Bonin (TKO1), Barrett (TKO 5), Valuev (MD 12), Ruiz (TKO 9), Harrison (TKO 3) & Chisora (TKO 5)

Wow, what a murderers' row that is! Fury doesn't stand a chance!
Hard to argue with that. Haye picks cherries better than any cherry picker I know.
You're talking bollocks and I'm Fury's #1 fan.

I have been told to disregard your insults.

keithmoonhangover · Post by **keithmoonhangover** » 02 Jun 2013, 13:36

Pug1 wrote: I have been told to disregard your insults.

Ruiz was his mandatory, please explain how that is cherry picking.

ShadrachSimmo · Post by **ShadrachSimmo** » 02 Jun 2013, 14:00

Horse wrote:Haye's wins at heavyweight - Bonin (TKO1), Barrett (TKO 5), Valuev (MD 12), Ruiz (TKO 9), Harrison (TKO 3) & Chisora (TKO 5)

Wow, what a murderers' row that is! Fury doesn't stand a chance!

Fighting the likes of Vinny Maddalone and Martin Rogan hardly makes Fury a world beater though.

I think Haye has been an underachiever at heavyweight but I don't give Fury much of a chance vs Him.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 02 Jun 2013, 14:20

ShadrachSimmo wrote:Fighting the likes of Vinny Maddalone and Martin Rogan hardly makes Fury a world beater though.

I think Haye has been an underachiever at heavyweight but I don't give Fury much of a chance vs Him.

Fury's best wins at heavyweight - McDermott (TKO9), Chisora (UD 12), Firtha (TKO 5), Pajkic (TKO 3), Johnson (UD 12) & Cunningham (TKO 7)

Do you think Haye's heavyweight record is significantly better than Fury's?

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 02 Jun 2013, 14:57

It`ll be an amusing pre-fight build up

The obvious call would be an easy KO victory for Haye. But lets not expect Fury to be so reckless against haye. Fury will be fully expecting Hayes power, and will keep him on the end of the jab as Wlad did .. or he should do anyways ..

lillywhite14 · Post by **lillywhite14** » 02 Jun 2013, 15:03

Horse wrote:
ShadrachSimmo wrote:Fighting the likes of Vinny Maddalone and Martin Rogan hardly makes Fury a world beater though.

I think Haye has been an underachiever at heavyweight but I don't give Fury much of a chance vs Him.
Fury's best wins at heavyweight - McDermott (TKO9), Chisora (UD 12), Firtha (TKO 5), Pajkic (TKO 3), Johnson (UD 12) & Cunningham (TKO 7)

Do you think Haye's heavyweight record is significantly better than Fury's?

McDermott, Firtha and Pajkic are woeful opponents when discussing how great someones heavyweight record is.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 02 Jun 2013, 15:11

lillywhite14 wrote:McDermott, Firtha and Pajkic are woeful opponents when discussing how great someones heavyweight record is.

Bonin, Barrett and Harrison are great names for Haye to have on his record then are they?

Haye's record at heavyweight is nothing special and he doesn't deserve the hype he gets.

ThereByTheGrace · Post by **ThereByTheGrace** » 02 Jun 2013, 15:14

Best of luck to Tyson Fury if he fights Haye. Fury has the tools to deal with the job no doubt about it!!!

Pug1 · Post by **Pug1** » 02 Jun 2013, 15:26

keithmoonhangover wrote:
Pug1 wrote: I have been told to disregard your insults.

Ruiz was his mandatory, please explain how that is cherry picking.

Ok, but he was/is poo. If Ruiz were a killer then he would have been swerved.

CiganoBoxer · Post by **CiganoBoxer** » 02 Jun 2013, 15:35

Hayes best win is the Giant , and most people had him beating Haye

ShadrachSimmo · Post by **ShadrachSimmo** » 02 Jun 2013, 15:37

Horse wrote:
ShadrachSimmo wrote:Fighting the likes of Vinny Maddalone and Martin Rogan hardly makes Fury a world beater though.

I think Haye has been an underachiever at heavyweight but I don't give Fury much of a chance vs Him.
Fury's best wins at heavyweight - McDermott (TKO9), Chisora (UD 12), Firtha (TKO 5), Pajkic (TKO 3), Johnson (UD 12) & Cunningham (TKO 7)

Do you think Haye's heavyweight record is significantly better than Fury's?

Their records don't matter. Haye will be too quick and powerful for Fury.

If Haye dropped Fury with the punch Cunningham did he wouldn't have got up.

Wrists · Post by **Wrists** » 02 Jun 2013, 15:37

I'm stunned by some of the talk here.

David Haye is a former Undisputed Cruiserwwight champion and a belt holder at heavyweight. He's knocked out a guy in 5 who went 12 with Vitali and whilst out of shape almost KO'd Fury.

He's beaten significantly better fighters than Fury.

Fury has been decked off light punching heavyweights.

Yet people think this is a 50/50 fight!!??

Haye chins Fury early doors IMO

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 02 Jun 2013, 15:48

Wrists wrote:I'm stunned by some of the talk here.

David Haye is a former Undisputed Cruiserwwight champion and a belt holder at heavyweight. He's knocked out a guy in 5 who went 12 with Vitali and whilst out of shape almost KO'd Fury.

He's beaten significantly better fighters than Fury.

Fury has been decked off light punching heavyweights.

Yet people think this is a 50/50 fight!!??

Haye chins Fury early doors IMO

A voice of sanity among the madness.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 02 Jun 2013, 15:49

Wrists wrote:David Haye is a former Undisputed Cruiserwwight champion and a belt holder at heavyweight.

Fury would be favourite to beat those versions of Mormeck and Maccarinelli as well.

Wrists wrote:He's knocked out a guy in 5 who went 12 with Vitali and whilst out of shape almost KO'd Fury.

Chisora did not almost knock Fury out.

Do all of the people who think Haye is going to beat Fury easily hallucinate during Fury fights and just make things up?

Wrists wrote:He's beaten significantly better fighters than Fury.

He hasn't.

Final round · Post by **Final round** » 02 Jun 2013, 16:11

Horse wrote:
Wrists wrote:David Haye is a former Undisputed Cruiserwwight champion and a belt holder at heavyweight.
Fury would be favourite to beat those versions of Mormeck and Maccarinelli as well.

Haye fought both men at Crusierweight, how could Fury have beaten those versions?

keithmoonhangover · Post by **keithmoonhangover** » 02 Jun 2013, 16:25

Pug1 wrote:
keithmoonhangover wrote:
Pug1 wrote: I have been told to disregard your insults.

Ruiz was his mandatory, please explain how that is cherry picking.
Ok, but he was/is poo. If Ruiz were a killer then he would have been swerved.

Like he swerved fighting the best heavyweight in the world away from home?

Haye could have defended the WBA title ten times, but fought Wlad instead. Yeah, that was cherry picking.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 02 Jun 2013, 16:26

Final round wrote:Haye fought both men at Crusierweight, how could Fury have beaten those versions?

By fighting them.

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