Brian Nielsen vs Ray Mercer (prime vs prime)

[Rover]

Mercer was in his prime when he was schooled by Holmes, embarrassed by Ferguson and held to a draw by Wilson. If we are talking about in his prime AND at his best I agree that Mercer would win. In such a world Buster Douglas is the GOAT.

Why don't you talk about what Mercer did with Lennox Lewis, Tim Witherspoon, Evander Holyfield and Tommy Morrison as his prime rather than referring to nights like Ferguson and Wilson when he was grossly overweight?

What did Nielsen do in all that time? Nothing. He didn't fight a single solitary top 10 ranked heavyweight - not one, until Mike Tyson waddled over and massacred him.

Nielsen is a novelty act. He is better matched with Butterbean.

I never thought I'd see the day where people are overrating Brian Nielsen.

[keithmoonhangover]

Nielsen is a novelty act. He is better matched with Butterbean.

[giacomino]

Mercer was in his prime when he was schooled by Holmes, embarrassed by Ferguson and held to a draw by Wilson. If we are talking about in his prime AND at his best I agree that Mercer would win. In such a world Buster Douglas is the GOAT.

Why don't you talk about what Mercer did with Lennox Lewis, Tim Witherspoon, Evander Holyfield and Tommy Morrison as his prime rather than referring to nights like Ferguson and Wilson when he was grossly overweight?

What did Nielsen do in all that time? Nothing. He didn't fight a single solitary top 10 ranked heavyweight - not one, until Mike Tyson waddled over and massacred him.

Nielsen is a novelty act. He is better matched with Butterbean.

I never thought I'd see the day where people are overrating Brian Nielsen.

Really shows you how brilliant his marketing was. He spent a decade beating washed up big names and probably made excellent money in Denmark without ever risking himself with any top 10 guys. At the end of it, casual fans thought he was a legitimate contender/fake (ibc) champion (62-1 before losing to a washed up Tyson). He makes Erdei look like a chump for actually fighting decent opponents earlier in his career.

[dempseyfire]

Mercer was in his prime when he was schooled by Holmes, embarrassed by Ferguson and held to a draw by Wilson. If we are talking about in his prime AND at his best I agree that Mercer would win. In such a world Buster Douglas is the GOAT.

Why don't you talk about what Mercer did with Lennox Lewis, Tim Witherspoon, Evander Holyfield and Tommy Morrison as his prime rather than referring to nights like Ferguson and Wilson when he was grossly overweight?

What did Nielsen do in all that time? Nothing. He didn't fight a single solitary top 10 ranked heavyweight - not one, until Mike Tyson waddled over and massacred him.

Nielsen is a novelty act. He is better matched with Butterbean.

His loss to Ferguson can't be attributed to being overweight he weighed the same (238) as he did for Lewis and actually looked more solid. That said Mercer was overweight the wide majority of his career and should have been closer to his Olympic weight of 200 (around 210 would've been optimal).

Mercer gets over-rated by many, but I agree with majority here; best for best Super Brian is not lasting the distance.

[hhaehre]

Did you see the Nielsen-Holmes fight? Holmes lost fair and square, the fact that he bitched about it afterwards does not change it. As for Mercer I'd say he was probably better that Nielsen but the fights with Ferguson and Wilson did in fact occur in his prime. Those fights should tell you that Mercer was well capable of losing to Nielsen, who was if anything a more consistent performer.

I'm beginning to perceive a troll here.

Holmes lost fair and square to Brian Nielsen?

Your judgement is appalling.

Holmes - Nielsen, did you even see it? If so, how did you score it? Holmes did nothing from round 3 to round 11 and consequently lost. It may suck to be beaten by Danish pastry when you are a former great but that is what happened.

[hhaehre]

Mercer was in his prime when he was schooled by Holmes, embarrassed by Ferguson and held to a draw by Wilson. If we are talking about in his prime AND at his best I agree that Mercer would win. In such a world Buster Douglas is the GOAT.

Why don't you talk about what Mercer did with Lennox Lewis, Tim Witherspoon, Evander Holyfield and Tommy Morrison as his prime rather than referring to nights like Ferguson and Wilson when he was grossly overweight?

And why don't you work on your reading comprehension skills? I DID say in an earlier post that the version of Mercer who fought Lewis beats any version of Nielsen.

My point, yet again, is that prime vs. prime Nielsen could win if Mercer fought like he did against Ferguson or Wilson. The Wilson and Ferguson fights did occur IN MERCERS PRIME. Whether he was fat, lazy, out of shape, on drugs or mourning the loss of his goldfish when he fought Wilson and Ferguson is irrelevant. He showed him self as an erratic performer who could be beaten by lesser fighters, even in his prime.
Best vs best it's Mercer, in their primes Nielsen could win.

[zorndeslammes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV5wW9aqkaA

There's the Nielsen/Holmes fight on youtube. If anyone hasn't actually seen it, they can right there. Doesn't look like a lot of people watching it on youtube agree with hhaehre's sentiments.

[loaded_gloves]

No one agrees with hhaehre because he is arguing against reality. The reports in the media at the time were pretty damning on the Nielsen-Holmes verdict.

I can understand people having a soft spot for Corrie Sanders, but Brian Nielsen? His career is shameful.

[polecateddy]

If Nielsen had gritted his teeth probably he could've burst Tyson's bubble, but already Brian was past it by then. Funny little career, but at his very best a fringe Euro contender. A level above say a Julius Francis.

[Rover]

No one agrees with hhaehre because he is arguing against reality. The reports in the media at the time were pretty damning on the Nielsen-Holmes verdict.

I can understand people having a soft spot for Corrie Sanders, but Brian Nielsen? His career is shameful.

Careful with the Sanders reference. That might inspire a deluge of Sanders threads--even though gilgamesh made a "Corrie Sanders vs" thread.

[polecateddy]

Surely every variable for a Corrie fight has been exhausted now. I have Corrie fatigue!

[Rover]

Surely every variable for a Corrie fight has been exhausted now. I have Corrie fatigue!

Even you?

Yeah, I'd say Corrie's done for a while then in terms of proposed match-ups.

[hhaehre]

No one agrees with hhaehre because he is arguing against reality. The reports in the media at the time were pretty damning on the Nielsen-Holmes verdict.

That's fine, you go by what some reporters in the media said, I'll base my opinion on actually having seen the fight.

[max hord]

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