He Would Have Been Great If Not For His Glass Jaw

sharkeysboy · Post by **sharkeysboy** » 27 Oct 2005, 14:25

The End wrote:Floyd Patterson, if you don't already consider him great.

Thomas Hearns definitely.

The way Patterson dodged Sonny Liston, Cleveland William, Ernie Terrell and Zora Foley for five years you'd have to say he lacked more than a chin. How about balls?! From the time he became champ to the time he fought Liston he didn't fight a number one contender one time. Look it up. He was an embarressment.

Sherlock · Post by **Sherlock** » 27 Oct 2005, 15:17

sharkeysboy wrote:
The End wrote:Floyd Patterson, if you don't already consider him great.

Thomas Hearns definitely.
The way Patterson dodged Sonny Liston, Cleveland William, Ernie Terrell and Zora Foley for five years you'd have to say he lacked more than a chin. How about balls?! From the time he became champ to the time he fought Liston he didn't fight a number one contender one time. Look it up. He was an embarressment.

From what I have heard said, it was not Patterson dodging them, but Cus d'Amato telling him he had no chance. Floyd supposedly said he had to fight Liston and Cus backed down and let him. So that's being pretty harsh on Patterson. When a fighter has a manager, the manager books and matches his fights. Patterson stepped up and took the fight, give him some respect. Many great champions go their whole reign avoiding the best, at least Patterson made the fight.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 27 Oct 2005, 15:58

..barry..glad you liked my post so much you wrote it again for those who might miss it on page one.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 27 Oct 2005, 17:34

patterson would have knocked out the glass jaw folley

another name to consider is tommy morrison

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 28 Oct 2005, 01:19

..walter cartier...middleweight 50s was a good looking guy, okay boxer and solid hitter...but when he slapped lotion on his face afterhe shaved he sometimes knocked himself out. gavilan came from behind to kayo him in a late round.....tape/film can be found somewhere.

ShoeShine · Post by **ShoeShine** » 28 Oct 2005, 09:16

Michael Grant

The End · Post by **The End** » 28 Oct 2005, 09:30

ShoeShine wrote:Michael Grant

I think he needs much more than a chin.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 28 Oct 2005, 09:50

Michael Moorer would have been much better if he had a decent chin. He had a lot of talent and some power.

barry · Post by **barry** » 28 Oct 2005, 09:54

Moorer was viscous at 175, and had he stayed at that weight most of his career, I certainly feel he would now be remebered as one of the great light heavyweights. Seems like he lost his mean streak after he moved up to heavyweight, but he was a very schooled fighter with excellent skills.

ShoeShine · Post by **ShoeShine** » 28 Oct 2005, 10:12

The End wrote:
ShoeShine wrote:Michael Grant
I think he needs much more than a chin.

I concur

fight fan · Post by **fight fan** » 28 Oct 2005, 14:56

Tommy Morrison!

If only he had a solid chin! His fight with Mercer when they were both undefeated was wild! Morrison was pummeling Mercer until he got nailed. It seemed that as soon as he got hit he was wabbling all over the ring. It wasn't a killer instinct problem, or that he was timid. He had a great mentality for boxing and a great offense (tremendous power!!!). He simply had a glass chin!

Arsenal · Post by **Arsenal** » 29 Oct 2005, 06:20

Two Bristish boxers. Herol Graham and Nigel Benn. Graham was probably the best middleweight we had but in his 4 (I think it was 4) World title fights he was winning hands down until he got clocked. Anyone remember the fight with Julian Jackson? The ref went to the Jackson corner and told them he had one more round. Graham had took him apart and was on the verge of stpping him in the 5th and bang! Graham's eyes closed before he hit the deck. Benn was really strange. He looked like he could take a punch but remember the Watson fight. Also against I think it was an Italian called Nardiello for a world title he battered him for 12 rounds and got caught with 30 secs left and nearly got stopped.

barry · Post by **barry** » 29 Oct 2005, 07:11

Other than chin, Morrison had a lot of difficulties with stamina.

Sherlock · Post by **Sherlock** » 29 Oct 2005, 17:23

Just remembered another name after seeing him lose another bout by stoppage. Mamadou Thiam has all the power needed to be a contender and champion with above average skills, but his chin has let him down in all five of his losses.

Cap · Post by **Cap** » 30 Oct 2005, 10:26

Anyone recall Duane Bobick? A lot of people thought he was unbeatable until he ran into Ken Norton. Norton's another guy who had trouble with BIG punchers.

Cap

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 30 Oct 2005, 12:39

Bobick definatly a weak chin candidate, but what leads me to believe he might not have been great even if he could take a punch is that anytime he went into the ring with a contender even marginal ones like Kolli Konoentza or George Chaplin he got beat. But with a great chin he might have made it interesting.

Controversial · Post by **Controversial** » 30 Oct 2005, 12:58

Arsenal wrote:Two Bristish boxers. Herol Graham and Nigel Benn. Graham was probably the best middleweight we had but in his 4 (I think it was 4) World title fights he was winning hands down until he got clocked. Anyone remember the fight with Julian Jackson? The ref went to the Jackson corner and told them he had one more round. Graham had took him apart and was on the verge of stpping him in the 5th and bang! Graham's eyes closed before he hit the deck. Benn was really strange. He looked like he could take a punch but remember the Watson fight. Also against I think it was an Italian called Nardiello for a world title he battered him for 12 rounds and got caught with 30 secs left and nearly got stopped.

Herol Grahams a bit harsh. He was flattended by argubley one of the hardest punching middleweights ever. Jackson was something like 40 wins (38 kos) going into that fight and the punch he landed would of KO'ed almost anyone. Graham was stopped later in his career when he was on the decline, even then they were decent punchers who did it.

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 30 Oct 2005, 16:00

Jackson had his jaw dented a time or two although a couple of those were late in his career. He seemed like he was one of those knock em out or get knocked out type of fighters.

Here is a strange one. Marcos Geraldo, although it is a pretty big stretch to say he would have been great if he could have taken a punch, it still leaves you wondering. He won his fair share of fights but whenever he lost it was by early knockout, a lot of times to no name fighters. The strange irony is he went the distance although never really in either fight to two of the hardest hitters in the game Leonard and Hagler, although partly due to the fact he ran in both fights. Another strange aspect is how he lasted in the business as long as he did with all of the knockouts he sustained. You would have to think he would have had to have quit for his own safety.

bill.lockhart · Post by **bill.lockhart** » 01 Nov 2005, 14:37

Floyd fought 3, #1 contenders in title defences.

Hurricane Jackson 1957
Ingemar Johansson 1959
Sonny Liston 1962

Say what you want Sharkey but get your facts straight first

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 02 Nov 2005, 15:36

I just now remembered Joergen Hansen, the weak punch thread reminded me of him because he was also a light hitter, but I would say he he had more of a weak chin than he was a light hitter.

zurdo · Post by **zurdo** » 03 Nov 2005, 02:39

Andrew Ganigan, southpaw lightweight from Hawaii in the 80s good boxing skills, loads of heart and a tremendous punch He starched O' Grady and dropped Arguello this guy would have been a big star if his shaky chin had't let him down on a number of occasions

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 03 Nov 2005, 10:09

Andy Ganigan (in the fight before O'Grady) also dropped undefeated Gato Gonzalez twice in the first round of there bout before going on to a controversial decision loss.

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