are the old gillette fights available on film from the msg

[tonydevino]

from 1946-52.

[BoxBuzz]

I can still recall them clearly in my minds eye, however for some reason they are somewhat smallish, and in black and white for some reason.

[yancey]

Were they only from '46 to '52?

I recall watching Gillette fights from MSG in the early '60s, when I was a young kid.

You simply can't beat Don Dunphy and Win Elliot at the mike, Johnny Addie as the ring announcer, and MSG as the arena.

The best in boxing atmosphere.

imo.

[tonydevino]

I agree dumphy made you feel you in the arena when he commentated on the radio.johnny Addie was the best.the guys today are horrible.keep punching my freind

[CNorkusJr]

I have a GilletteCavalcade of Sport on CD (I transferred it to CD from Cassette) on radio of my father vs. Brion ,the 2nd time they met. Dunphy and Eliot at the mike. Years ago (1970's,80's) several boxing magazines advertised cassettes of radio audio of dozens of fights dating back to Louis and Schmeling up through the 60's. (My father's fight was listed and for $5 or so, I bought it. Its the entire fight -10 Rds., but between round commercials were deleted). That ad disappeared and it looks like the source for many ,many radio broadcasts -I never see anymore.

I have Pabst of course and I have Mennan aftershave commercials on several other films from Tv. All after 1954.

[Brutu]

Did you watch it on a Philco or Sylvania television set?

[tonydevino]

Dad boxed fame hon on December 1 ,1950 at the old MSG.i was not born yet.i have an avid boxing fan collector since I was about 7 yrs old.i have a lot old ring magazines from the1930's to the 1960's.also many scrapbooks and first edition ring record books.two signed by nat fleicher(spelling).well my friend keep punching

[CNorkusJr]

Did you watch it on a Philco or Sylvania television set?

I am a little after that particular time of small TV's. When my father fought Charlie Powell in San Fran. in 1954, the newspaper ran an interview with Powell on Sunday before the fight. In the interview, Powell stated that "he was going to watch his beloved SF 49's football team play that day on a big screen 21 inch Tv instead of being in the gym".

My father's mother never watched his televised fights at home. Instead, she walked down to a local place called the "Bellrose Tavern" in Queens,NY, where she was given a prime stool up front and was toasted as big a hero as her son was in the ring to the throng. If you weren't in the crowded joint by 6pm, you watched through the windows outside.

[CNorkusJr]

Dad boxed fame hon on December 1 ,1950 at the old MSG.i was not born yet.i have an avid boxing fan collector since I was about 7 yrs old.i have a lot old ring magazines from the1930's to the 1960's.also many scrapbooks and first edition ring record books.two signed by nat fleicher(spelling).well my friend keep punching

My God Tony, My father and your dad were very good friends. I saw the name Devino and thought it sound familiar, but you dont have the same first name as your dad, Archie. Both fought out of Jersey, but my dad was born in Queens NY. I know your dad went into the NJ Boxing HOF in the early 90's, and my dad went in 1996.
I see Henry Hascup every month at Ring 8 or NJ meetings and your father's name comes up in conversation from time to time.
Hopefully we can meet at the annual dinner in Nov. in Garfield sometime. (I dont know if you go to the dinners ?)
Always the best my friend. Charlie Norkus Jr.


Here is a picture of some Jersey guys in 1948 after my dads first pro fight. Your dad is not in the picture, but you might remember some of these guys, especially Red DeFazio whom your dad fought. !

[CNorkusJr]

Was your dads fight vs Fameshon televised ?

Here is a DVD supplier of one of the most extensive boxing film collections out there. I quickly looked and didnt see any films on your dads fights. But if you are looking for fights from the Garden in the 40's or 50's, it would be listed here. Kurt Noltimier is one of the nicest guys in the business and I have used him many times.

http://ringwise.com/

[Brutu]

A Philco television set from the early 1950's had about a 15 inch screen.
My grandparents had one in the basement that I think they used up until the late 1970's.
It was kind of strange looking.Like a Sci-Fi prop from an early 1950's movie.

It looked sort of like this model,except theirs had a mahogany cabinet.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=p7TAFJEZV9s

[Brutu]

There was a lot of live boxing on TV in the early days of television because it was so inexpensive to produce.Here is a listing of the network boxing shows of the late 1940's and 1950's.


1946- The Gillette Cavalcade of Sports-NBC(Mondays and Fridays)
(Thursday Night "Fight film Filler")

1948-
BOXING FROM ST. NICHOLAS ARENA(NBC)
BOXING FROM WESTCHESTER(CBS)
BOXING FROM JAMAICA ARENA(DUMONT)

1949-
TOMORROW'S BOXING CHAMPIONS(ABC)
BOXING FROM SUNNYSIDE GARDENS(DUMONT)
BOXING FROM DEXTER ARENA(DUMONT)
BOXING FROM MADISON SQUARE GARDEN(DUMONT)

SOURCE-The Complete Directory to Primetime TV Shows 1946-Present(1979)
by Tim Brooks and Earle Marsh

[Brutu]

Speaking of new books,has anyone read this book published just a few weeks ago?
Friday Night Fighter by Troy Rondinone(2013).


http://www.amazon.com/Friday-Night-Figh ... 0252037375

[BoxBuzz]

IF those gillette fights were saved, I believe there would have been a Rosenbloom fight....and to anyone's knowledge, there is no Rosenbloom film footage anywhere.

The reason I say there was a Rosenbloom gilette fight, is that it appears on an episode of the Honeymooners. So I assume it may actually have been broadcast at some point. But apparently.....it's on it's way to interstellar space with all our black and white tv broadcasts that were never saved, but continue to travel through space.

[CNorkusJr]

IF those gillette fights were saved, I believe there would have been a Rosenbloom fight....and to anyone's knowledge, there is no Rosenbloom film footage anywhere.

The reason I say there was a Rosenbloom gilette fight, is that it appears on an episode of the Honeymooners. So I assume it may actually have been broadcast at some point. But apparently.....it's on it's way to interstellar space with all our black and white tv broadcasts that were never saved, but continue to travel through space.

I think there is ALOT of stuff that was recorded over time that sits in various vaults and no one wants to deal with the price of re-storing much of it.
As a city firefighter-I can tell you I went to two particular basement vault fires located in Manhattan storage bldgs about 20 years ago. Both contained celluloid film canisters that were totally destroyed. They were not protected by any halon or water spklr systems as required. I never found out the contents of the films that were destroyed as the owners were off-site.(not that I particularly cared at the time).Literally hundreds of films were destroyed. Maybe an insurance job. Who knows what was with-in.Newspapers gave it no mention in the dailies.May not have been of any sports or movies. Who knows ?

[Brutu]

Those old silver-nitrate stock films are known to self combustion,over time as they deterioate as the are made of the same materials/chemicals used in making gun powder.
(One of the last Hollywood movies filmed with silver-nitrate film stock was ALL ABOUT EVE(1950),
starring Bettie Davis and Marlyn Monroe.
Explains probably why a lot of movie houses that date back prior to 1950
may have caught on fire for no known reason.It may have been old films reels forgotten in a closet or nook over time self combusting.

[BoxBuzz]

IF those gillette fights were saved, I believe there would have been a Rosenbloom fight....and to anyone's knowledge, there is no Rosenbloom film footage anywhere.

The reason I say there was a Rosenbloom gilette fight, is that it appears on an episode of the Honeymooners. So I assume it may actually have been broadcast at some point. But apparently.....it's on it's way to interstellar space with all our black and white tv broadcasts that were never saved, but continue to travel through space.

I think there is ALOT of stuff that was recorded over time that sits in various vaults and no one wants to deal with the price of re-storing much of it.
As a city firefighter-I can tell you I went to two particular basement vault fires located in Manhattan storage bldgs about 20 years ago. Both contained celluloid film canisters that were totally destroyed. They were not protected by any halon or water spklr systems as required. I never found out the contents of the films that were destroyed as the owners were off-site.(not that I particularly cared at the time).Literally hundreds of films were destroyed. Maybe an insurance job. Who knows what was with-in.Newspapers gave it no mention in the dailies.May not have been of any sports or movies. Who knows ?

Well back then, there was no "self awareness" of how these things could/would become valuable over time. And sadly pre 60's Celluloid will go bad pretty easily without any help from any disaster at all....it just ages poorly, unless it's nearly hermetically sealed.

[Brutu]

NBC Gillette Boxing ran from November 1946 to June 1960.
CBS Pabst Blue Ribbon Boxing ran from 1948-1955.
Primetime Boxing on ABC lasted until September 1964.

http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight_of_the_Week


This web site use to show some of the old Gillette Cavalcade of Sports Boxing broadcasts that were preserved on kinescope.



http://tvsboxing.blogspot.com

[Brutu]

IF those gillette fights were saved, I believe there would have been a Rosenbloom fight....and to anyone's knowledge, there is no Rosenbloom film footage anywhere.

The reason I say there was a Rosenbloom gilette fight, is that it appears on an episode of the Honeymooners. So I assume it may actually have been broadcast at some point. But apparently.....it's on it's way to interstellar space with all our black and white tv broadcasts that were never saved, but continue to travel through space.

Was it a fight that you could see on the tv that they were watching in that episode or just seeing them watching tv
from the back of the tv and hearing the commentery?
I remember back in 1984 Jackie Gleason announced he was releasing a number of"lost"
episodes of the Honeymooners on kinescopes that he had been storing in a vault for almost 30 years.
A number of the kinescopes had deteriated and parts had to be done over with voice overs.
Jackie Gleason was also a big boxing fan too,I wonder?

[BoxBuzz]

Gleason tells the story of How Galento sent him to dreamland once outside a club.

As far as the Honeymooners episode, the fight was supposedly taking place on tv which Ralph and Ed were watching, which did have a soundtrack for a few moments with what sounded like the official Gillette stuff including the introduction of the two fighters. That's all I remember....I don't think there was any picture of the screen or action...only the sound and it was limited in time.

[Brutu]

Is this the episode of the Honeymooners?
TV OR NOT TV
(originally aired 1.October.1955)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyT5P9qv9UA


I don't have any audio on the computer I'm using,so I can't hear what they are saying in it,
but it looks like around starting at 18 minutes into the clip.
BTW
I remember we still had to do that with the "Rabbit Ears" on our TV clear up to 1980 at least.

[BoxBuzz]

Is this the episode of the Honeymooners?
TV OR NOT TV
(originally aired 1.October.1955)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyT5P9qv9UA


I don't have any audio on the computer I'm using,so I can't hear what they are saying in it,
but it looks like around starting at 18 minutes into the clip.
BTW
I remember we still had to do that with the "Rabbit Ears" on our TV clear up to 1980 at least.

Wow Brutu you hit the jackpot! Ralph says "Maxie Rosenbloom vs Kingfish Levinsky" My memory does not suck!

This will be a news flash for some in my family. lol

[BoxBuzz]

Hmm....that fight took place in 1937.....so.....it was a reference to an old fight....

[Brutu]

I knew someone was going to bring that up.
The possible answer is on Thursday Night's NBC-TV had shown Gillette Boxing "Fight Film Filler"
Maybe that is what they were watching.
In any case maybe the fight film was from the personal film collection of Jackie Gleason?

[BoxBuzz]

or.....it was just "in the script" that Jackie probably wrote himself. (maybe he attended that fight and it struck a chord for him?) Rosenbloom actually KO'd somebody that night...lol.


I'll go back later and see if I can actually hear anything coming off the tv......didn't go any further than listening to the Rosenbloom Levinsky statement.