USA Boxing scoring system.What do you think.

[Doitanyway13]

I was just wondering what others are thinking about this pro style score system. I could not attend neither the USA championship nationals or the JO nationals.I was fortunate to attend A AIBA clinic getting us up to speed on the new rules. Specifically I'm concerned about the judging.
They are still to use the same criteria when judging such as: Number of legal blows,Attack, competitiveness,Lead of bout?, Technique,Defense and Infringment of rules. I paid for the live streaming of the JO's and to me it appeared that the judges judged based a pond shear aggression and just throwing blind punches in some instances and in another I saw a gut run and try to pot shot and won. If this is the way things are going
where does that live those boxers with a high proficiency of defense and counter punching ability? I could be wrong. I did look at it on the computer, maybe I'm missing it totally. I really want to here from the officials especially. Also coaches are you going to be preparing differently base a pond what you have seen.

[scallum]

I think it makes fights much easier to score. Just win 2 rounds and you win the fight.

[Doitanyway13]

I think it makes fights much easier to score. Just win 2 rounds and you win the fight.

Got a point. True Scallum. My thing is ,not every boxers style will be taken into consideration is my concern.

[mike222]

In the Junior Olympics there were about 60 bouts that were scored 2-1 or went by tiebreaker which seems high to me.Presumably in the tiebreakers some rounds must be scored level.

[scallum]

I think it makes fights much easier to score. Just win 2 rounds and you win the fight.

Got a point. True Scallum. My thing is ,not every boxers style will be taken into consideration is my concern.

I think they could make it much easier to score fights by simply announcing the winner of each round and keeping the current system in place. I like this system much better than the last system.

[DownPavement]

Horrible...

[DownPavement]

Horrible.. should of kept the computer, gotten rid of headguard.

[Slythex]

I was one of the officials, and did attend the clinic for the new rules.

Just to reiterate the details on the scoring.

Yes, it's a 10 pt must system, but it's not like the pros.

10-9 is used for close rounds that 'could have gone either way'
10-8 is used for a 'clear winner' (I'd say a majority of rounds should probably be 10-8)
10-7 is for dominant rounds (someone getting 'beat up' but not necessarily in danger of stoppage)
10-6 shouldn't happen, and is basically when a boxer is outclassed. Theoretically the ref or doc should stop these before they are even scored.

As stated, these are the criteria:
number of legal blows (although without clickers, this almost has to be an subjective impression)
effective attack
competitiveness
technique
defense
infringement of rules

Thing is, some of these are not obvious to score. If a guy is losing, but he's 'competitive' how can you take that into account? It's almost part of the whole thing anyway; if he's close (i.e. competitive), it's 10-9 for the other guy, if he's the clear loser in a round, it's 10-8 for the other guy. That's built into the system. How would you account for competitiveness outside of that?

Without going into specifics, I judged a bout 10-8, 10-8, 10-8 for one guy (and I thought he was OBVIOUSLY winning each round, not close), and it wound up as a 2-1 split for the other guy. I admit to being somewhat baffled there.

[ABC BOXING]

SOUNDS LIKE DUMB SCORING BECAUSE IF BOXER "A" WINS FIRST ROUND10-8 THEN LOSES ROUND TWO 9-10 AND ROUND THREE 9-10 HE GETS A DRAW? NOT A VERY GOOD WAY TO SCORE A FIGHT TO ME.
I SUPPOSE KNOCK DOWNS DON'T COUNT AT ALL?
THIS NEW SCORING STILL DOESN'T HAVE A ANSWER FOR JUDGES FAVORITE BOXER GETTING THEIR TOP SCORE AS IN THE FIGHT YOU JUDGED ABOVE AND THE WAY AMATEUR BOXING HAS DONE IN THE PAST. ONE BIG REASON WE DON'T HAVE A GREAT OR EVEN GOOD US OLYMPIC TEAM. OUR JUDGES HAVE ALWAYS GIVEN THE FAVORITE BOXER TOP SCORES EVEN IN OBIOUIS FIGHTS THEY LOST. YOU GIVE THESE KIDS FIGHTS THEY DON'T DESERVE AND IT GOES TO THEIR HEADS AND THEY KNOW THEY DON'T HAVE TO TRAIN GOOD BECAUSE JUDGES WILL GIVE THEM A WIN . THEN THEY GET TO OLYMPICS AND THEIR FAVORITE JUDGES ARE NOT PRESENT AND THEY LOSE. MAYBE IF AMATEUR JUDGES WOULD BE COMPLETELY FAIR AND THESE TOP ELITE AMATEURS GIVEN A LOSS WHEN THEY LOSE THEY WOULD PROBABLY TRAIN HARDER KNOWING THEY WON'T GET THE GIVE ME WIN. WE MIGHT GET BETTER US TEAMS.
SORRY THAT WOULDN'T BE POLITICALY CORRECT? MAKING THEM TRAIN HARDER FOR A WIN. LOL!
THIS SCORING DOESN'T LOOK GOOD?

[JMac]

SOUNDS LIKE DUMB SCORING BECAUSE IF BOXER "A" WINS FIRST ROUND10-8 THEN LOSES ROUND TWO 9-10 AND ROUND THREE 9-10 HE GETS A DRAW? NOT A VERY GOOD WAY TO SCORE A FIGHT TO ME.
I SUPPOSE KNOCK DOWNS DON'T COUNT AT ALL?
THIS NEW SCORING STILL DOESN'T HAVE A ANSWER FOR JUDGES FAVORITE BOXER GETTING THEIR TOP SCORE AS IN THE FIGHT YOU JUDGED ABOVE AND THE WAY AMATEUR BOXING HAS DONE IN THE PAST. ONE BIG REASON WE DON'T HAVE A GREAT OR EVEN GOOD US OLYMPIC TEAM. OUR JUDGES HAVE ALWAYS GIVEN THE FAVORITE BOXER TOP SCORES EVEN IN OBIOUIS FIGHTS THEY LOST. YOU GIVE THESE KIDS FIGHTS THEY DON'T DESERVE AND IT GOES TO THEIR HEADS AND THEY KNOW THEY DON'T HAVE TO TRAIN GOOD BECAUSE JUDGES WILL GIVE THEM A WIN . THEN THEY GET TO OLYMPICS AND THEIR FAVORITE JUDGES ARE NOT PRESENT AND THEY LOSE. MAYBE IF AMATEUR JUDGES WOULD BE COMPLETELY FAIR AND THESE TOP ELITE AMATEURS GIVEN A LOSS WHEN THEY LOSE THEY WOULD PROBABLY TRAIN HARDER KNOWING THEY WON'T GET THE GIVE ME WIN. WE MIGHT GET BETTER US TEAMS.
SORRY THAT WOULDN'T BE POLITICALY CORRECT? MAKING THEM TRAIN HARDER FOR A WIN. LOL!
THIS SCORING DOESN'T LOOK GOOD?

First of all, turn the CAPS off if you want to be taken seriously. Second of all, AIBA changed the scoring system not USAB. Also, get a clue what you are talking about. USA has not been successful for many reasons in recent Olympics but NOT for the reasons you state. Any coach in boxing knows that sometimes you get a win that you didn't think you would get and sometimes you lose when you thought you won. That's boxing and each side of the ring has a different view from the one you had in the corner. Officials in the US get little to no money to officiate. They are volunteers and boxing needs them. Are some better than others? Sure they are but you take what you can get and be happy they showed or you don't have a show.

[DownPavement]

ABC boxing is right, not about the favoritism. Rather the scoring, it's a pro sport called amateur.

[JMac]

ABC boxing is right, not about the favoritism. Rather the scoring, it's a pro sport called amateur.

Take it up with AIBA. They plan to take over pro boxing so that they have control of all boxing, amateur and pro.

[ABC BOXING]

JMAC UR RIGHT They are volunteers and boxing needs them BUT FAIRNESS MEANS ALOT TO A KID THAT JUST WENT THE DISTANCE AND BEAT A LOCAL TOP FIGHTER OR IN A BIG TOURNAMENT BEAT A TOP AMATEUR BUT GOT A LOSS FOR HIS EFFORT.
I HAVE NEVER BEEN A MEMBER OF USA BOXING BUT I HAVE PROBABLY BEEN TO OVER 500 SHOWS IN MY LIFE TIME AND SUPPORTED THESE SHOWS BUY BUYING A TICKET TO WATCH. SO I CAN SAY I HAVE SEEN SOME NASTY DECISIONS AND SOME THAT COULD OF GONE EITHER WAY AND I HAVE SEEN SOME TOP TALENT LOSE BUT GET THE DECISION ANYWAY.
AS FAR AS AIBA IS CONCERNED I AM NOT IMPRESSED BUT I WILL WAIT TO SEE HOW GOOD THEY ARE TO TAKE OVER PROFESSIONAL BOXING.
I HAVE TALKED TO A FEW EX AIBA PROS AND WHAT I HEAR THE GRASS ISN'T AS GREEN AS THEY CLAIM.

[scallum]

I have got to say that officials have done a very good Job so far.I like the new system, I think it makes scoring easier. At Jr World Usa tournament the officials seemed very upfront and honest about making positive changes to Usa boxing

[JMac]

I have got to say that officials have done a very good Job so far.I like the new system, I think it makes scoring easier. At Jr World Usa tournament the officials seemed very upfront and honest about making positive changes to Usa boxing

[JMac]

JMAC UR RIGHT They are volunteers and boxing needs them BUT FAIRNESS MEANS ALOT TO A KID THAT JUST WENT THE DISTANCE AND BEAT A LOCAL TOP FIGHTER OR IN A BIG TOURNAMENT BEAT A TOP AMATEUR BUT GOT A LOSS FOR HIS EFFORT.
I HAVE NEVER BEEN A MEMBER OF USA BOXING BUT I HAVE PROBABLY BEEN TO OVER 500 SHOWS IN MY LIFE TIME AND SUPPORTED THESE SHOWS BUY BUYING A TICKET TO WATCH. SO I CAN SAY I HAVE SEEN SOME NASTY DECISIONS AND SOME THAT COULD OF GONE EITHER WAY AND I HAVE SEEN SOME TOP TALENT LOSE BUT GET THE DECISION ANYWAY.
AS FAR AS AIBA IS CONCERNED I AM NOT IMPRESSED BUT I WILL WAIT TO SEE HOW GOOD THEY ARE TO TAKE OVER PROFESSIONAL BOXING.
I HAVE TALKED TO A FEW EX AIBA PROS AND WHAT I HEAR THE GRASS ISN'T AS GREEN AS THEY CLAIM.

ABC, so you're not an official or coach but a fan. That's good because boxing needs fans as well. But if you like going to shows and think the officials are not doing a good job, then why don't you become an official!!!! I always get a kick out of fans who complain about officials and think they can do a better job. Easy solution is to become an official and help fix the problem you think is wrong or maybe you'll find out it is not as easy as you think.

[ABC BOXING]

Most do a good job and they know how to judge but the problem is the buddy buddy system or else they don't put you to judge in future bouts.
but this forum is about new scoring system which doesn't look good to me.
I don't want to be an official in USA or in pros both have a political agenda which sometimes is abious in bouts.

[ReggieDiggs]

I love the new scoring (in theory) I look forward to seeing it in action. I also like scallum's idea of open scoring. I'm about over this surprise u lost scoring we got in the pros and the amateur game and the fighters who put their heart and soul into this sport deserve to know where they stand.

[scallum]

I love the new scoring (in theory) I look forward to seeing it in action. I also like scallum's idea of open scoring. I'm about over this surprise u lost scoring we got in the pros and the amateur game and the fighters who put their heart and soul into this sport deserve to know where they stand.

They actually did open scoring at Usa Jr Worlds after every Round and is was a thing of beauty and was very precise to what we saw going on in the ring.

[krackle]

I'm not particularly happy about the way they have implemented this scoring system (judging from Minsk and what I saw from Giraldo Corvova Cardin). 10-8 rounds are too rare so that boxers often just coast after having bagged the two first rounds. I don't think I saw a single bout where someone would win from behind in the third round so far. If nothing else it makes for boring third rounds.

[JMac]

I'm not particularly happy about the way they have implemented this scoring system (judging from Minsk and what I saw from Giraldo Corvova Cardin). 10-8 rounds are too rare so that boxers often just coast after having bagged the two first rounds. I don't think I saw a single bout where someone would win from behind in the third round so far. If nothing else it makes for boring third rounds.

They did the same thing with electronic/open scoring since they knew the score they costed the last round.

[JMac]

I'm not particularly happy about the way they have implemented this scoring system (judging from Minsk and what I saw from Giraldo Corvova Cardin). 10-8 rounds are too rare so that boxers often just coast after having bagged the two first rounds. I don't think I saw a single bout where someone would win from behind in the third round so far. If nothing else it makes for boring third rounds.

They did the same thing with electronic/open scoring since they knew the score they costed the last round.They should not have open scoring.

[krackle]

They did the same thing with electronic/open scoring since they knew the score they costed the last round.They should not have open scoring.

I dont like open scoring either. But two closely lost rounds with points scoring can more easily be turned around than with 10 point must if 10-8 rounds are as rare as they are now. Win two close rounds and you're basically through.
The boring third is not something I thought up for theoretical reasons, it's something I noticed.

[gouy]

First of all: Apologize my inglish, but I'm a french guy (FROG)
Hi!
I'm a referee and judge since 30 years in Canada (Québec) we will prepare to aply this new rule this year, I hope that will be good, but all sport we jugement are very controverted. I agree with Sythex (july 05) If the rules are aply with a good anderstanding this sport will be fun

[scallum]

I'm not particularly happy about the way they have implemented this scoring system (judging from Minsk and what I saw from Giraldo Corvova Cardin). 10-8 rounds are too rare so that boxers often just coast after having bagged the two first rounds. I don't think I saw a single bout where someone would win from behind in the third round so far. If nothing else it makes for boring third rounds.

They did the same thing with electronic/open scoring since they knew the score they costed the last round.They should not have open scoring.

Of course open scoring could also make two guys come out guns blazing if both know for sure they each need last round to win