iamasadlittleboy wrote:I do get it, but I also know that had it been Thompson in that situation the referee would have had a different opinion. That to me is a major issue with boxing and something that we shouldn't be ignoring.
Imagine Thompson bending over the ropes taking shots. Would the referee have gone "the ropes are holding him up" or "this needs to be stopped"?
Like wise what were Price team doing sending him out for round 5 anyway? He was gone in the last 15 seconds of round 4 and never recovered.
That’s a completely different point to the one you failed to make earlier. Sure, some refs may not apply this rule to foreign fighters, but that doesn’t automatically mean he was wrong on Saturday night. It was the right call, for the reasons given.
As for why they sent him out. It is heavyweight boxing, they’d have hoped that Price would land a big shot and chin him. It was their call to make.
If anything, the ref showed lateral thinking as he saw what went down in the fourth, did the count at the right time and looked into Price’s eyes before calling it. It was good officiating so demanding that he be called up before the Board for it is plain daft. There’s no charge to answer.
I stand by it being a bad call FOR the reason that had it been the away fighter he's had waved it off. Referees are, after all, meant to be neutral. I disagree with the opinion of ropes "holding him up" regardless due to the way he was effectively bending over them but that's neither here nor there.
But yeah calling for him to be brought before was the heat of the moment thing and I was very wrong there.
Funny going through the rules though lots of strange little things that DON'T get followed. I.e.
"3.36 Seconds employed in a corner shall not give advice or assistance to the Boxers during the progress of a round."
iamasadlittleboy wrote:I do get it, but I also know that had it been Thompson in that situation the referee would have had a different opinion. That to me is a major issue with boxing and something that we shouldn't be ignoring.
Imagine Thompson bending over the ropes taking shots. Would the referee have gone "the ropes are holding him up" or "this needs to be stopped"?
Like wise what were Price team doing sending him out for round 5 anyway? He was gone in the last 15 seconds of round 4 and never recovered.
That’s a completely different point to the one you failed to make earlier. Sure, some refs may not apply this rule to foreign fighters, but that doesn’t automatically mean he was wrong on Saturday night. It was the right call, for the reasons given.
As for why they sent him out. It is heavyweight boxing, they’d have hoped that Price would land a big shot and chin him. It was their call to make.
If anything, the ref showed lateral thinking as he saw what went down in the fourth, did the count at the right time and looked into Price’s eyes before calling it. It was good officiating so demanding that he be called up before the Board for it is plain daft. There’s no charge to answer.
I stand by it being a bad call FOR the reason that had it been the away fighter he's had waved it off. Referees are, after all, meant to be neutral. I disagree with the opinion of ropes "holding him up" regardless due to the way he was effectively bending over them but that's neither here nor there.
But yeah calling for him to be brought before was the heat of the moment thing and I was very wrong there.
Funny going through the rules though lots of strange little things that DON'T get followed. I.e.
"3.36 Seconds employed in a corner shall not give advice or assistance to the Boxers during the progress of a round."
The ropes weren't holding Price up. He was leaning right out the ring to evade punches. That rule is for when a guy is hit with a punch and can't hit the canvas because the ropes prevent his natural fall. Price was almost trying to get out the ring, he was on his bike. That was a boxer unfit to continue, not one who was 'unlucky' enough to be propped up by the ropes from a punch that would have otherwise sent him to the canvas.
If the ref was being biased, he could of given Tony Thompson a count in round 3, when Price clipped him and he fell against the ropes, the ropes stopped him from falling in my opinion, although the punch appeared to land around the back of the head. What does anyone else think?
Floatlikeabutterfly wrote:If the ref was being biased, he could of given Tony Thompson a count in round 3, when Price clipped him and he fell against the ropes, the ropes stopped him from falling in my opinion, although the punch appeared to land around the back of the head. What does anyone else think?
That it wasn't worth a count, but it shows that fighters should defend themselves as TT complained to the ref for a second then got his gloves up again.
I know what your saying and I agree it wasn't a great shot or anything, but going by the rules the ropes saved him from going down.
Floatlikeabutterfly wrote:I know what your saying and I agree it wasn't a great shot or anything, but going by the rules the ropes saved him from going down.
Floatlikeabutterfly wrote:I know what your saying and I agree it wasn't a great shot or anything, but going by the rules the ropes saved him from going down.
Referee's discretion.
Correct, and it was the referees discretion to say the ropes were keeping Price up when he was hanging over them, I was there and thought he was jumping in to stop it, Price looked like he was just leaning on the ropes, I've watched it since and it's a hard one to call, obviously the ref thought they were keeping him up, as you say the referees decision is final. Had the ref allowed Price to continue, he would most definitely be at fault, as it was he was correct to stop it, Marcus is a top referee.
You guys digging at the ref need to grow a pair and if you think you can do better then apply to the board and prove it. The ref used discretion and gave a fighter a chance to get his shit together in case he was just being supported by the ropes. The rules are a guide for the ref, it states that clearly in the regs. if the ref had immediately stepped in the same ballfondlers on here moaning would then be moaning that he jumped in too early.
As for saying that the ref wouldn't have afforded Thompson the same discretion, well that's yet another famous "Strawman" theory!
Also to post that the British refs are an emabarrasment the world over is a bit rich. They're one of the most respected the world over and one of the few who actually ref a fight AND score a fight week in week out with little to no financial recourse, just a love to give something back to the sport, something 95% of the mouthpeices on here certainly don't do.
Clint Magnum wrote:You guys digging at the ref need to grow a pair and if you think you can do better then apply to the board and prove it. The ref used discretion and gave a fighter a chance to get his poo together in case he was just being supported by the ropes. The rules are a guide for the ref, it states that clearly in the regs. if the ref had immediately stepped in the same ballfondlers on here moaning would then be moaning that he jumped in too early.
As for saying that the ref wouldn't have afforded Thompson the same discretion, well that's yet another famous "Strawman" theory!
Also to post that the British refs are an emabarrasment the world over is a bit rich. They're one of the most respected the world over and one of the few who actually ref a fight AND score a fight week in week out with little to no financial recourse, just a love to give something back to the sport, something 95% of the mouthpeices on here certainly don't do.
Clint Magnum wrote:You guys digging at the ref need to grow a pair and if you think you can do better then apply to the board and prove it. The ref used discretion and gave a fighter a chance to get his poo together in case he was just being supported by the ropes. The rules are a guide for the ref, it states that clearly in the regs. if the ref had immediately stepped in the same ballfondlers on here moaning would then be moaning that he jumped in too early.
As for saying that the ref wouldn't have afforded Thompson the same discretion, well that's yet another famous "Strawman" theory!
Also to post that the British refs are an emabarrasment the world over is a bit rich. They're one of the most respected the world over and one of the few who actually ref a fight AND score a fight week in week out with little to no financial recourse, just a love to give something back to the sport, something 95% of the mouthpeices on here certainly don't do.
People only need to look at the standard of refereeing in Europe and the USA, to see how good our referees are, yes mistakes can be made at times but overall, the standard of referees in Britain is probably the best in the world.
Dead Mouse wrote:It’s called a judgement call, and is perfectly permissible according to BBBoC rules as the ref can decide that the ‘Boxer is supported on the ropes of the boxing ring and, in the opinion of the Referee, is unable to defend himself’. The rules are right there for anyone to read on the Board’s website, why not just check them out? Did the referee stop and grandly declare that: “I, the ref, am about to deliver a standing count, as opposed to a mandatory one’? Nah, he decided that the ropes were holding Price up, stepped in to count, presumably so he could do something mental such as looking into his eyes and seeing if he could continue, and then waved it off. I don’t always agree with British refs, but this wasn’t an illegal move as it was fought under the Board’s rules.
Here’s a link to the BBBoC’s domumention. Click ‘download’ and you can actually read the stuff. Although understanding is an entirely different matter:
