Answer me this... about max baer...

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 28 Oct 2005, 14:54

primo carnera was off the charts in the tale of the tape

Kid Achilles · Post by **Kid Achilles** » 29 Oct 2005, 02:18

Baer had a great physique for boxing. He didn't have huge biceps or extremely well developed pecs but his shoulders and overall upper torso was massive. Probably the widest shoulders I've seen on a boxer. Watch his fight with Louis, and Louis looks like a kid in comparison. Baer had a massive frame.

Very strong guy, with a huge punch. I think his right hand was every bit as heavy and as hard as Foreman's.

JC · Post by JC » 29 Oct 2005, 06:14

The End wrote:
Rory McCloskey wrote:
The End wrote:http://www.carnera.org/images/primo16.jpg

I don't see the great physique.

I think that is from the film because that's Jack Dempsey stood behind them.

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 29 Oct 2005, 20:21

The End wrote:
Rory McCloskey wrote:
The End wrote:http://www.carnera.org/images/primo16.jpg

I don't see the great physique.
im pretty sure thats from the movie that they made.. in which case i would expect that kind of shape from baer. obviously he did SOME training. when he came into the boxing game he had the perfect physique at the time.. obviously he isnt huge n jacked like todays fighters, but he was in great shape.

here is a picture from before one of his real fight....

http://www.goldenageautographs.com/sports/maxbaer.jpg

also i can use a references from the book "cinderella man"

..."the man jim braddock would eventually face in the most significant fight of his life had the physique of a greek god and the mentality of a circus clown"
He still looks skinny in that picture.

If that was the body of a greek god back then then what the hell was Primo.

That's kind of weird.

Also was he jewish, I think in the Louis fight he had some kind of star on his trunks that resembled the star of David.

1) yes he was jewish. but not fully jewish and many people questioned his faith. i personally think that he didnt give a crap about any of the religious stuff, and was an unpracticing jew. he wore the star of david for the 1st time against max schmelling and i beleive it was because he wanted to make the fight bigger. like a whole nazi VS jew thing. good VS evil.

2) he was never a big fighte. pretty tall though, at 6"2 and a half. for the day that was considered tall. but he was almost all muscle. he was in great shape. im sure as his career went on and the lack of training and the age factor, both led to him losing that figure.

3) primo carnera's body was never a part of this...?

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 29 Oct 2005, 20:24

and dempseyfire that was a great and accurate post.

Cap · Post by **Cap** » 30 Oct 2005, 10:17

So Baer was the "body beautiful". Big whoop! Look at the guys that beat him. Baer was big and strong and could push guys around and back-hand them whenever he got the chance, but he threw his right like an amateur.

His rep was made off the Schmeling fight. If there had been even a half decent referee in there, Baer would've been disqualified, or at the very least forced to fight clean, in which case Max Schmeling would've boxed his head off. That ref (I won't even mention his name) was a disgrace.

Max Baer today would be on the level of a Joe Hipp or Jimmie Thunder.

Cap

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 30 Oct 2005, 10:57

baer threw his right like an amateur.. if u look at his record and study it, more then 75% of the knockout punches he had in his career came from his right hand. he knocked out max schmelling and primo carnera (132453535 times) with that right hand. oh and lets not forget the right hook that killed frankie campbell, and the one that supposidly played a role in the death of ernie schaaf.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 30 Oct 2005, 11:57

cap baer had one of the hardest right hands in history, hard than lennox lewis IMO

Kid Achilles · Post by **Kid Achilles** » 30 Oct 2005, 13:10

I dare you to find anyone still alive who tasted Baer's right hand in a fight or in sparring and tell them he threw it like an amateur.

That punch was unorthodox but it was an effective punch and a fight ender.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 30 Oct 2005, 20:01

Baer fought dirty vs Schmeling but come on, it wasn't the backhanded shots that won the fight for Baer . . .he kept the pressure on Schmeling and overwhelmed him with good body work and activity. He also discouraged the German b/c Schmeling landed several FLUSH right hands and left hooks and Baer just laughed at him.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 30 Oct 2005, 21:15

baers right hand sent 6'6 270lb primo carnera flying across the ring.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 31 Oct 2005, 02:27

..the picture of baer, dempsey and carnera is a still publicity shot for the movie "the prizefighter and the lady."

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 31 Oct 2005, 02:47

yup..that was the suspision going around here

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 31 Oct 2005, 08:40

Cap wrote:So Baer was the "body beautiful". Big whoop! Look at the guys that beat him. Baer was big and strong and could push guys around and back-hand them whenever he got the chance, but he threw his right like an amateur.

His rep was made off the Schmeling fight. If there had been even a half decent referee in there, Baer would've been disqualified, or at the very least forced to fight clean, in which case Max Schmeling would've boxed his head off. That ref (I won't even mention his name) was a disgrace.

Max Baer today would be on the level of a Joe Hipp or Jimmie Thunder.

Cap

No way.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 31 Oct 2005, 08:45

Grimm wrote:
Cap wrote:So Baer was the "body beautiful". Big whoop! Look at the guys that beat him. Baer was big and strong and could push guys around and back-hand them whenever he got the chance, but he threw his right like an amateur.

His rep was made off the Schmeling fight. If there had been even a half decent referee in there, Baer would've been disqualified, or at the very least forced to fight clean, in which case Max Schmeling would've boxed his head off. That ref (I won't even mention his name) was a disgrace.

Max Baer today would be on the level of a Joe Hipp or Jimmie Thunder.

Cap
No way.

When he came prepared he was a great, watch the Louis fight, I had him winning when before he got knocked out.

No shame in being knocked out by Joe Louis either.

He's Joe Louis.

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 31 Oct 2005, 18:58

grimm i agree with you 100% i think you are absolutley correct

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 31 Oct 2005, 20:30

Grimm wrote:
Grimm wrote:
Cap wrote:So Baer was the "body beautiful". Big whoop! Look at the guys that beat him. Baer was big and strong and could push guys around and back-hand them whenever he got the chance, but he threw his right like an amateur.

His rep was made off the Schmeling fight. If there had been even a half decent referee in there, Baer would've been disqualified, or at the very least forced to fight clean, in which case Max Schmeling would've boxed his head off. That ref (I won't even mention his name) was a disgrace.

Max Baer today would be on the level of a Joe Hipp or Jimmie Thunder.

Cap
No way.
When he came prepared he was a great, watch the Louis fight, I had him winning when before he got knocked out.

No shame in being knocked out by Joe Louis either.

He's Joe Louis.

Don't know if you're being sarcastic.

Baer didn't win one minute against Louis, let alone a round

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 01 Nov 2005, 08:28

dempseyfire wrote:
Grimm wrote:
Grimm wrote: No way.
When he came prepared he was a great, watch the Louis fight, I had him winning when before he got knocked out.

No shame in being knocked out by Joe Louis either.

He's Joe Louis.
Don't know if you're being sarcastic.

Baer didn't win one minute against Louis, let alone a round

Maybe I should watch it again I thought Baer had beat him when they were going toe to toe.

UpWithEvil · Post by **UpWithEvil** » 01 Nov 2005, 10:49

Yeah, watch it again, Baer does land some good shots but Louis comes roaring right back with quick, accurate power shots and has Max covering up. It was a great showing by Louis, Baer wasn't even clowning.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 02 Nov 2005, 02:08

..baer came out and immedaetly opened fire on louis..and if you watch very closely..and if you have it on film and can play in slow motion...you'll see that louis was momentarily stunned and wobbly... but....that was for just a few seconds. the bomber had great recovery powers then and he smacks baer with fast and hard combinations and that was was the end of any real baer offense.

i don't know it maxie could have been a great fighter...too many unansewerable questions....but he could have been much better than he was. the only reason carnera went as long as he did in their fight was because max simply could not fight at top level for more than a few rounds at a time. he swatted carnera to the canvas...carnera got up..max swatted him again....and that pettern kept up...with baer coasting through the rounds in which he didn't floor primo....and with just a pushing jab carnera actually won a few ....because max didn't do anything. then max got his breath ...resumed his attack and finally carnera couldn't continue.

baer just would not train. period. the boxing commisioner before the baer carnera fight said max was in lousy condition....which he was from a training standpoint. he was just so strong and so naturally gifted that he was able to get by...most of the time. give him tunney or marciano's determination to get into shape...and a willingness to learn just the basics of boxing....and.....well..who knows. but then...he wouldn't have been maxie...and that would have been kind of a loss too.

p.s. the physique...marvelous. chest and arms and upper body a sculptor's dream...and then he was slim, almost straight down from the mid section...with a build more like a swimmer. those who don't see this just don't have the film record of him....when he was posing for the carmera at training camp .....where he did more posing than training.

plus....he looks terrific in the movie mentioned here.

Cojimar 1945 · Post by **Cojimar 1945** » 02 Nov 2005, 05:31

Max Baer may have the distinction of being the best heavyweight born from 1910-1919. He would appear to rate ahead of all the other top heavyweights born during that decade which is fairly impressive.