Is Kell Brook Britain's most boring active boxer careerwise?

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 25 Jul 2013, 08:54

Has Brook's career been the most boring of any active British boxer? When considering the lack of competitive/big fights he has had in his almost 9 year career, I'd say yes.

I can't think of anyone worse considering all of the T.V. time and promotion he has received. At least most fighters who do less than Brook get less attention, so they're in less of a position to bore me.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 25 Jul 2013, 09:05

Not boring but definitely frustrating.

He has as much ability as anyone out there.

macaca · Post by **macaca** » 25 Jul 2013, 09:10

Ricky Burns has to be up there but that kid that quit I will remember for ever, did he actually break a hand or his heart does anyone know and Nathan Cleverly minus the Bellew scrap

forcefraser · Post by **forcefraser** » 25 Jul 2013, 09:13

macaca wrote:Ricky Burns has to be up there but that kid that quit I will remember for ever, did he actually break a hand or his heart does anyone know and Nathan Cleverly minus the Bellew scrap

Cleverley`s scrap with Murat was a great fight to watch.

Most boring for me has to be Matthew Hatton.

TJ77 · Post by **TJ77** » 25 Jul 2013, 09:30

I have been to most of Kell's fights in the last few years and have enjoyed watching him I've never been close to bored.
He is a great boxer with bags of potential his recent run of luck and subsequent position are frustrating for him and his fans.

The way back is made doubly frustrating by Matchroom hype and let down opposition .
He is high risk low reward for a lot of fighters Khan included so is not likely to get thrown a bone.
It's not gonna be easy till his mandatory position comes back around.

I believe he is a victim of circumstance a view I know full well is not shared by a lot of people on here.
No way has he deliberately engineered his position he has been unlucky and possibly at times not had the right direction.

TJ77 · Post by **TJ77** » 25 Jul 2013, 09:34

Also not filling in your poll as the options should have a NO in there.

The question..... Is Kell Brook Britain's most boring active boxer career wise?
Cannot be correctly grammatically answered with the word average.

If i'm being picky its because I don't like your poll and you have worded it negatively so that its guaranteed to support your view point.
The only positive is a loaded option not even I would go for .
Be fair or don't bother.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 25 Jul 2013, 09:38

TJ77 wrote:Also not filling in your poll as the options should have a NO in there.

The question..... Is Kell Brook Britain's most boring active boxer career wise?
Cannot be grammatically answered with the word average.

TJ77 · Post by **TJ77** » 25 Jul 2013, 09:42

Horse wrote:
TJ77 wrote:Also not filling in your poll as the options should have a NO in there.

The question..... Is Kell Brook Britain's most boring active boxer career wise?
Cannot be grammatically answered with the word average.

You tired mate.

palooka · Post by **palooka** » 25 Jul 2013, 09:52

Brook has above British level ability by far and proved it years ago - he went through the division and looked really good doing it; it's the last 3 years that have been stop/start though serious injuries can plague anyone. He has a decent bout next time up and then hopefully he can get in with a top 10 welter, do the business an then get a crack at a title. It may prove to be for the best really; we were told that Kell was a shoo in for a world title and that was before he'd won the British, expectations can be too high and he needs that bit of seasoning and level experience, if he'd have had a shot 2 years ago he may well have come up short. He looked powerful and purposeful v Jones last time out, if he's the same v Senchenko and gets a good result - a strong stoppage then it's clear he is ready for a move up toward top level. The ratings are a joke though, there are too many that get up there through promotional advantage rather than strong wins, at least Brook is beating the men in front of him.

The Cruiser division as a whole and almost ever boxer in have been he most boring by far.

mickey1975 · Post by **mickey1975** » 25 Jul 2013, 11:50

He's not been through the division domestically. I would take Gavin to beat him and rate his win over Vassel at least as good as anything Brook has done.

TJ77 · Post by **TJ77** » 25 Jul 2013, 12:03

mickey1975 wrote:He's not been through the division domestically. I would take Gavin to beat him and rate his win over Vassel at least as good as anything Brook has done.

Mickey he breezed through the division Gavin wasn't even pro when Brook won the British.
Not watched his win over Vassel I lost interest when he kept yo yoing in weight and letting everyone down.

Now he is dedicating himself what's Brook supposed to do step back and give someone who and this by no means disrespectfull of Curtis but struggled with much lesser opponents a shot .

Gavin beats Vassel whoop whoop ridiculous comparison .

Andypittcov · Post by **Andypittcov** » 25 Jul 2013, 12:25

Don't know about the most boring but definately the most fearful of losing

WelshJack · Post by **WelshJack** » 25 Jul 2013, 12:32

macaca wrote:Ricky Burns has to be up there but that kid that quit I will remember for ever, did he actually break a hand or his heart does anyone know and Nathan Cleverly minus the Bellew scrap

Cleverly is fighting the most talked about fighter in his division?

WelshJack · Post by **WelshJack** » 25 Jul 2013, 12:35

TJ77 wrote:
mickey1975 wrote:He's not been through the division domestically. I would take Gavin to beat him and rate his win over Vassel at least as good as anything Brook has done.
Mickey he breezed through the division Gavin wasn't even pro when Brook won the British.
Not watched his win over Vassel I lost interest when he kept yo yoing in weight and letting everyone down.

Now he is dedicating himself what's Brook supposed to do step back and give someone who and this by no means disrespectfull of Curtis but struggled with much lesser opponents a shot .

Gavin beats Vassel whoop whoop ridiculous comparison .

Gavin's performance was punch perfect.

palooka · Post by **palooka** » 25 Jul 2013, 13:21

Frankie is the best boxing at domestic level but Brook is boxing at a higher level; Khan is proven at the higher level so the best welters are Khan, Brook and then Gavin (for me anyway, Khan is underated - he's faced some excellent boxers for quite some time).

lefty · Post by **lefty** » 25 Jul 2013, 14:55

palooka wrote:Brook has above British level ability by far and proved it years ago - he went through the division and looked really good doing it; it's the last 3 years that have been stop/start though serious injuries can plague anyone. He has a decent bout next time up and then hopefully he can get in with a top 10 welter, do the business an then get a crack at a title. It may prove to be for the best really; we were told that Kell was a shoo in for a world title and that was before he'd won the British, expectations can be too high and he needs that bit of seasoning and level experience, if he'd have had a shot 2 years ago he may well have come up short. He looked powerful and purposeful v Jones last time out, if he's the same v Senchenko and gets a good result - a strong stoppage then it's clear he is ready for a move up toward top level. The ratings are a joke though, there are too many that get up there through promotional advantage rather than strong wins, at least Brook is beating the men in front of him.

The Cruiser division as a whole and almost ever boxer in have been he most boring by far.

He hasnt been plagued by injuries the last 3 years though. In regards to the fights with Alexander yes but otherwise no.

mickey1975 · Post by **mickey1975** » 25 Jul 2013, 15:09

TJ77 wrote:
mickey1975 wrote:He's not been through the division domestically. I would take Gavin to beat him and rate his win over Vassel at least as good as anything Brook has done.
Mickey he breezed through the division Gavin wasn't even pro when Brook won the British.
Not watched his win over Vassel I lost interest when he kept yo yoing in weight and letting everyone down.

Now he is dedicating himself what's Brook supposed to do step back and give someone who and this by no means disrespectfull of Curtis but struggled with much lesser opponents a shot .

Gavin beats Vassel whoop whoop ridiculous comparison .

Please, please explain what Brook has EVER done to deserve the praise he gets on here? Carson Jones is his best win and he was well and truly exposed by Dean Byrne. I lost interest in Brook when he kept pulling out of fights... I will tell you why he is not one of Eddies favourites anymore too, more than half of Brooks fans have lost interest as well. Last time he boxed at the arena a load of my mates sat ringside with the cheapest tickets as it was so empty. If he can ignore the undefeated British and Commonwealth champion and fight on a debutants undercard on Hull(against the guy who drew with Dean Byrne) then fair play to him. No doubt Eddie will be praying Stalker, Joshua and Campbell sell a lot for the Sheffield show too to try create an atmosphere...

TJ77 · Post by **TJ77** » 25 Jul 2013, 16:19

mickey1975 wrote:
TJ77 wrote:
mickey1975 wrote:He's not been through the division domestically. I would take Gavin to beat him and rate his win over Vassel at least as good as anything Brook has done.
Mickey he breezed through the division Gavin wasn't even pro when Brook won the British.
Not watched his win over Vassel I lost interest when he kept yo yoing in weight and letting everyone down.

Now he is dedicating himself what's Brook supposed to do step back and give someone who and this by no means disrespectfull of Curtis but struggled with much lesser opponents a shot .

Gavin beats Vassel whoop whoop ridiculous comparison .
Please, please explain what Brook has EVER done to deserve the praise he gets on here? Carson Jones is his best win and he was well and truly exposed by Dean Byrne. I lost interest in Brook when he kept pulling out of fights... I will tell you why he is not one of Eddies favourites anymore too, more than half of Brooks fans have lost interest as well. Last time he boxed at the arena a load of my mates sat ringside with the cheapest tickets as it was so empty. If he can ignore the undefeated British and Commonwealth champion and fight on a debutants undercard on Hull(against the guy who drew with Dean Byrne) then fair play to him. No doubt Eddie will be praying Stalker, Joshua and Campbell sell a lot for the Sheffield show too to try create an atmosphere...

Firstly I doubt what you're saying about the seating at the arena sorry but I do.
Secondly the Hull fight was a run out following injury proposed by his promoter's whats he meant to do tell em bollocks.
And thirdly I like Kell he is a quality operator its a frustrsting time but half his fans havent deserted him.
When the big fights come he will sell build it and they will come.
I wanna see big fights if he didnt get so much shite on here we wouldn't have to defend him with praise.

TJ77 · Post by **TJ77** » 25 Jul 2013, 16:20

WelshJack wrote:
TJ77 wrote:
mickey1975 wrote:He's not been through the division domestically. I would take Gavin to beat him and rate his win over Vassel at least as good as anything Brook has done.
Mickey he breezed through the division Gavin wasn't even pro when Brook won the British.
Not watched his win over Vassel I lost interest when he kept yo yoing in weight and letting everyone down.

Now he is dedicating himself what's Brook supposed to do step back and give someone who and this by no means disrespectfull of Curtis but struggled with much lesser opponents a shot .

Gavin beats Vassel whoop whoop ridiculous comparison .
Gavin's performance was punch perfect.

I will watch it.

DMA1987 · Post by **DMA1987** » 25 Jul 2013, 16:32

mickey1975 wrote:He's not been through the division domestically. I would take Gavin to beat him and rate his win over Vassel at least as good as anything Brook has done.

Really? I mean really?

A bit of a stretch that one Mickey. Why does Gavin deserve his 'world class' threads like have been on here? Your guilty of the same thing your knocking.

mickey1975 · Post by **mickey1975** » 25 Jul 2013, 16:39

DMA1987 wrote:
mickey1975 wrote:He's not been through the division domestically. I would take Gavin to beat him and rate his win over Vassel at least as good as anything Brook has done.
Really? I mean really?

A bit of a stretch that one Mickey. Why does Gavin deserve his 'world class' threads like have been on here? Your guilty of the same thing your knocking.

Maybe his World Champion status in the am ranks? And the fact he has now surpassed, title wise, Kells title achievements as a pro despite only turning over when Kell was British champ.

mickey1975 · Post by **mickey1975** » 25 Jul 2013, 16:41

And I could see my mates clearly on Sky Sports!

DMA1987 · Post by **DMA1987** » 25 Jul 2013, 16:53

mickey1975 wrote:
DMA1987 wrote:
mickey1975 wrote:He's not been through the division domestically. I would take Gavin to beat him and rate his win over Vassel at least as good as anything Brook has done.
Really? I mean really?

A bit of a stretch that one Mickey. Why does Gavin deserve his 'world class' threads like have been on here? Your guilty of the same thing your knocking.
Maybe his World Champion status in the am ranks? And the fact he has now surpassed, title wise, Kells title achievements as a pro despite only turning over when Kell was British champ.

Oh please. So were Audley Harrison, Jeff Lacy, etc. World class amateur is just that.

lefty · Post by **lefty** » 25 Jul 2013, 16:55

mickey1975 wrote:
DMA1987 wrote:
mickey1975 wrote:He's not been through the division domestically. I would take Gavin to beat him and rate his win over Vassel at least as good as anything Brook has done.
Really? I mean really?

A bit of a stretch that one Mickey. Why does Gavin deserve his 'world class' threads like have been on here? Your guilty of the same thing your knocking.
Maybe his World Champion status in the am ranks? And the fact he has now surpassed, title wise, Kells title achievements as a pro despite only turning over when Kell was British champ.

Oh please. So were Audley Harrison, Jeff Lacy, etc. World class amateur is just that.[/quote]

Jeff lacy wasnt that great of an amateur. He went to the olympics but he didnt win f all.

DMA1987 · Post by **DMA1987** » 25 Jul 2013, 17:00

columbo wrote:
Jeff lacy wasnt that great of an amateur. He went to the olympics but he didnt win f all.

Ok Columbo if you think he wasn't. Why not replace him with one of the many other Great Amateur/Average Pro boxers.

The point is there, no matter how pedantic you want to be.