British Top 30 P4P August 2013

[Horse]

1. (1.) Carl Froch
2. (2.) Ricky Burns
3. (3.) David Haye
4. (4.) Martin Murray
5. (5.) Amir Khan
6. (6.) Tyson Fury
7. (7.) George Groves
8. (8.) Tony Bellew
9. (9.) Nathan Cleverly
10. (10.) Jamie McDonnell

11. (12.) Kell Brook
12. (11.) Ola Afolabi
13. (13.) Matthew Macklin
14. (14.) Carl Frampton
15. (18.) Lee Selby
16. (15.) Darren Barker
17. (16.) James DeGale
18. (17.) Scott Quigg
19. (19.) Lee Haskins
20. (20.) Frankie Gavin

21. (26.) Dereck Chisora
22. (21.) Brian Rose
23. (22.) Gary Buckland
24. (NE.) Darren Hamilton
25. (NE.) Billy Joe Saunders
26. (23.) Anthony Crolla
27. (24.) Gavin Rees
28. (RE.) Derry Mathews
29. (25.) Andy Lee (Irish)
30. (27.) John Simpson

Out - (28.) Kevin Satchell
Out - (29.) David Price
Out - (30.) Brian Magee (Irish)

[Horse]

Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.

[expe]

Darren Hamilton's too high, should be 30 at the highest.

[andeeholden]

Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.

I like it Horse I'm debating with myself whether I'd swap Bomber & Clev but I see the reasons for their placings in your list. I'd maybe have Hamilton a touch lower, between 25 and 30 but other than that I agree with the lot!

[squared circle]

Regardless of resume, should an IBF world champion not be ranked higher than 10?

[Crazyboy]

Regardless of resume, should an IBF world champion not be ranked higher than 10?

said the same thing last month actually, but all in all i quite like the lists, thanks again Horse.

[Josh1111]

Macklin higher than Barker?

[Horse]

Darren Hamilton's too high, should be 30 at the highest.

He beat Theophane and dominated Williams and Anwar. He is on good form and I think he deserves his current ranking although it's obviously up for debate.

[mickey1975]

Hamilton is fine where he is. Clev below Boomer is just wrong...

[Horse]

I like it Horse I'm debating with myself whether I'd swap Bomber & Clev but I see the reasons for their placings in your list. I'd maybe have Hamilton a touch lower, between 25 and 30 but other than that I agree with the lot!

[TopGun]

Reasoning behind Fury's position (he would not be this high IMO) and how is Bellew above Cleverly?

[WelshJack]

How is everyone up to and including Carl Frampton above Scott Quigg.

[bigB]

I don't get the Fury one either

21-0 and has biggest fight of his career in September

say Kell Brook 30-0 who also has biggest test in his career in October

[SNG]

I don't get the Fury one either

21-0 and has biggest fight of his career in September

say Kell Brook 30-0 who also has biggest test in his career in October

Do you rank people based on future opposition, because I can't see what who they fight in the future has to do with anything. Cunningham is better than anyone Brook has fought.

[Horse]

Regardless of resume, should an IBF world champion not be ranked higher than 10?

Resumé can't be ignored. Having a world title isn't enough to guarantee a high ranking.

[Horse]

said the same thing last month actually, but all in all i quite like the lists, thanks again Horse.

[Horse]

Macklin higher than Barker?

Yes, he has the better record. If Barker beats Geale this month then he'll move ahead.

[danconnollyeire]

McDonnell beat an unbeaten fighter for world title and should be higher. Quigg should be higher

[geoffburt07]

I think Billy Joe should be a wee bit higher. Good list but

[Horse]

Hamilton is fine where he is. Clev below Boomer is just wrong...

Cleverly has been fighting poor opposition recently, so he had to drop.

If he beats Kovalev this month then he will climb the rankings.

[ThereByTheGrace]

Burns at no 2 is just silly.

He was schooled by a Puerto Rican novice, has dodged the best fighter in the division (3 times at least), won't fight away from home, and his resume is fighters who are either has beens or never have beens.

Froch is a stand out elite fighter, can't say the same about the rest of the top 10 - there is a chasm between Froch and Burns in P4P terms; its like comparing Man U with Cardiff!

[expe]

Burns at no 2 is just silly.

He was schooled by a Puerto Rican novice, has dodged the best fighter in the division (3 times at least), won't fight away from home, and his resume is fighters who are either has beens or never have beens.

Froch is a stand out elite fighter, can't say the same about the rest of the top 10 - there is a chasm between Froch and Burns in P4P terms; its like comparing Man U with Cardiff!

So who should be above him then? Haye, who fights once a year at best? Martin Murray, who has come up short twice at world level? Khan, who was taken out by the last world class fighter he faced and was dropped by Diaz, who was past his best and a natural lightweight? Gonzalez was far better than anyone thought he was and Burns still won. He is the best fighter in the division, how can he dodge himself? Why fight away from home when he can pull at least 7,000 in for a fight in Glasgow? Was Martinez a has been? Katsidis - Yes, past his best, but still a dangerous top class fighter. Moses - Former world champion, went to Japan to take the title. Mitchell - Took John Murray, who was the unbeaten European champion apart in 8 rounds. Looks a pretty decent record to me, especially when you add in that he's unbeaten in 6 years.

BTW, Froch isn't an elite fighter. Elite fighters are the likes of Mayweather, Ward, Marquez, Pacquiao, Rigondeaux and Martinez. Froch has fought at that level and fallen well short.

[ThereByTheGrace]

Burns at no 2 is just silly.

He was schooled by a Puerto Rican novice, has dodged the best fighter in the division (3 times at least), won't fight away from home, and his resume is fighters who are either has beens or never have beens.

Froch is a stand out elite fighter, can't say the same about the rest of the top 10 - there is a chasm between Froch and Burns in P4P terms; its like comparing Man U with Cardiff!

So who should be above him then? Haye, who fights once a year at best? Martin Murray, who has come up short twice at world level? Khan, who was taken out by the last world class fighter he faced and was dropped by Diaz, who was past his best and a natural lightweight? Gonzalez was far better than anyone thought he was and Burns still won. He is the best fighter in the division, how can he dodge himself? Why fight away from home when he can pull at least 7,000 in for a fight in Glasgow? Was Martinez a has been? Katsidis - Yes, past his best, but still a dangerous top class fighter. Moses - Former world champion, went to Japan to take the title. Mitchell - Took John Murray, who was the unbeaten European champion apart in 8 rounds. Looks a pretty decent record to me, especially when you add in that he's unbeaten in 6 years.

BTW, Froch isn't an elite fighter. Elite fighters are the likes of Mayweather, Ward, Marquez, Pacquiao, Rigondeaux and Martinez. Froch has fought at that level and fallen well short.

Haye was an undisputed Cruiserweight champ who didn't need to step up in weight; he still would be the man at that weight if he fought there.

Murray went to Germany, got a draw and Argentina and lost narrowly with a 10-8 round not scored in his favour.

Khan has fought better fighters than Burns has - of that there is no doubt. Khan has tried to go against the best at every opportunity, the fighters he has lost to are much better than anyone Burns has fought.

How can he dodge himself? You're deluded mate he's pants. He's well protected fighting up here Gonzalez didn't even report his injury to the BBoFC and it was a "strange" stoppage in boxing terms.

There was no Martinez rematch because we know what would've happened. That's bad management. He went to fight those ATGs like Evensen and Lareya. Moses is past it, Katsidis - past it, Cook, Mitchell never were world challengers anyways.

He's a well protected man especially given the Broner stuff, and even the Vazquez thing was a cop-out; I don't see them chasing him for a fight soon.

He wants the top fights and the respect, but he doesn't want to fight the top names, just wants to name drop when selling his next "big" fight to his loyal minions.

[taffytoon]

Hamilton is fine where he is. Clev below Boomer is just wrong...

This, if you are going to bother doing these lists Horse you really do need to leave your personal opinions out of it.

[Horse]

Reasoning behind Fury's position (he would not be this high IMO) and how is Bellew above Cleverly?

Fury has been fighting good opposition, so he has a high ranking.

Bellew has fought better opposition than Cleverly over the last 2.5 years, so he moved ahead of Cleverly.