Dream fight. Holmes vs Tyson both in their prime.

stethem · Post by **stethem** » 03 Nov 2005, 11:11

I tend to think Holmes might be able to outpoint him, but it could go either way. Great fight to discuss, the boxer versus the puncher. Holmes should indeed be ranked in the top ten of all time. He had victories over cooney, shavers, , snipes cobb, leon spinks and more. The Easton Assassin all the way..........

sly2kusa · Post by **sly2kusa** » 03 Nov 2005, 11:12

Tyson by KO in round 10.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 03 Nov 2005, 11:13

Tyson....honestly, people seem to forget Tyson was truly "the Baddest Man on the Planet" in his prime. He pounded the fornicate outta Spinks, a scared Spinks, just after he had beating Holmes twice. Even the Holmes that pounded Ali for 11 rounds would'nt have been able to hold a candle to Tyson back in the day.

Gordon · Post by **Gordon** » 03 Nov 2005, 11:44

Holmes was well over the hill when he fought Spinks.

And an even older Holmes gave Tyson trouble before Mike finally caught him.

In his prime Holmes would have kept Tyson at bay with his jab until the late rounds and then he would have destroyed him.

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 03 Nov 2005, 11:59

Tyson would have done just as he did in the first fight, it would have simply taken him a few more rounds to get it done. Mike was to damn agressive to keep at bay all night and you seem to forget how good Tysons chin was. On top of that Tyson was ahead on the scorecard at the time of the stoppage in the first, showing he was competing in the rounds, not just a lucky shot. Holmes wouldnt have rendered Mike useless in his prime. Tyson TKO 8

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 03 Nov 2005, 12:50

Mattyp151 wrote:Tyson....honestly, people seem to forget Tyson was truly "the Baddest Man on the Planet" in his prime. He pounded the fornicate outta Spinks, a scared Spinks, just after he had beating Holmes twice. Even the Holmes that pounded Ali for 11 rounds would'nt have been able to hold a candle to Tyson back in the day.

Spinks was scared and instead of egtting ebat up chose to stand and get it voer with. He hardly got pounded.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 03 Nov 2005, 12:54

sockdollanger wrote:Tyson would have done just as he did in the first fight, it would have simply taken him a few more rounds to get it done. Mike was to damn agressive to keep at bay all night and you seem to forget how good Tysons chin was. On top of that Tyson was ahead on the scorecard at the time of the stoppage in the first, showing he was competing in the rounds, not just a lucky shot. Holmes wouldnt have rendered Mike useless in his prime. Tyson TKO 8

Holmes was an old man who took the fight at short notice. in his day he'd have jabbed Tyson's face off. Weathered the early storm and forced a late stoppage, as Tyson looked for a way out sometime after the 12th, or won the fight by 3-4 rounds. Think Buester Douglas with a better jab, better chin, better movement, better defence, better stamina, better conditioning... etc...

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 03 Nov 2005, 12:55

...and before the usual comments, Holmes was far furtehr over the hill when he lost to Tyson than Mike was when he got beat by Douglas.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 03 Nov 2005, 13:42

mike tyson TKO 6 HE has the perfect style for holmes IMO

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 03 Nov 2005, 14:57

Holmes TKO 12. Holmes jab would keep Tyson at bay and when Tyson comes close, the Holmes uppercut would behead him.

dnahar32 · Post by **dnahar32** » 03 Nov 2005, 15:08

Tyson, after the Holmes fight, was unsure when this question was posed to him. Of course, Tyson was respectful of Holmes and other great fighters at the time so he wouldn't have boasted to beating a prime Holmes even if he felt he could.

I think Holmes would outjab and fluster Tyson. People talk about Bonecrusher landing late, what if Tucker wasn't defensive, etc. Well, Holmes wasn't defensive and would have that jab firmly planted inTyson's face and had a huge reach advantage to do it. Tyson might have some moments lunging in, but Holmes would have caught him coming in moreso than any other fighter did to Tyson.

I like Holmes by 12th round KO. Holmes would bring the best out of Tyson, but it wouldn't be enough to beat a prime Holmes.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 03 Nov 2005, 16:17

Regardless of whether over 12 or 15, Holmes stops Tyson in 12. I see the twelfth is a reoccuring theme on this post, but I immediately envisioned it when I read the topic. I think Tyson puts up a spirited fight over the first five to six rounds, but Holmes dominates the rest of the bout and takes the spark out of Tyson's will. If it is scheduled for 15, Tyson takes the count in round 12 when he is floored. If it is for 12, he gets up and and takes 10-15 unanswered punches before the referee stops it. Scores probably something like 107-102 for Holmes at the time of the stoppage.

damien590 · Post by **damien590** » 03 Nov 2005, 16:57

I read a lholmes interview years ago & he said I quote.

"When I Was Walking To The Ring For The Tyson Fight, It Was The
First Time I've Ever Had Thoughts Of Pulling Out Of A Fight."

I thought that was funny because of Holmes experience & track record in
the sport. If ya'll also remember DK tried to put together a rematch
between the two right before the Ruddock fight. Holmes wanted no
part. I guess it was to just keep iron mike busy till he got another shot
at the title.

UpWithEvil · Post by **UpWithEvil** » 03 Nov 2005, 17:36

Tyson couldn't handle Prime Douglas. Prime Holmes by late-KO.

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 03 Nov 2005, 22:37

you guys are tyson haters. He could have beaten a prime Holmes.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 03 Nov 2005, 23:54

sockdollanger wrote:you guys are tyson haters. He could have beaten a prime Holmes.

No, just realists.

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 04 Nov 2005, 00:44

Tyson 8th round TKO

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 04 Nov 2005, 07:40

Decagon wrote:Easy win for Holmes. Tyson fought well on the outside, but he had a limited range. Holmes's straight punches would keep him at bay easily. Shit, look at what Buster Douglas's jab did to Tyson! Imagine what Holmes's would do. Tyson would be a -300 underdog in this fight.

Easy huh? Please spare me. I truly believe if they faught 10 times, Tyson takes 7 of them. How much earlier in time does this "prime" take place? I know I sound redundant, but Tyson was too much for any man besides Louis and Ali in his prime.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 04 Nov 2005, 16:02

sockdollanger wrote:
Decagon wrote:Easy win for Holmes. Tyson fought well on the outside, but he had a limited range. Holmes's straight punches would keep him at bay easily. Shit, look at what Buster Douglas's jab did to Tyson! Imagine what Holmes's would do. Tyson would be a -300 underdog in this fight.
Easy huh? Please spare me. I truly believe if they faught 10 times, Tyson takes 7 of them. How much earlier in time does this "prime" take place? I know I sound redundant, but Tyson was too much for any man besides Louis and Ali in his prime.

Sorry to burst your balloon, but Tyson was in his prime when he got beaten like a 10 year old by Buster Douglas. Say whatever you want about him not being in shape (although many argue he was), that is his fault. He did not have the mental make up to beat many great fighters. Lets just name a few. He would lose against Holmes, Ali, Liston, Lennox Lewis, and Joe Frazier for sure. He had a punchers chance against Joe Louis, although he would probably get KO'd himself. The greatly underrated Jerry Quarry most likely would beat Tyson, yet Tyson could have scored a TKO on cuts. Tyson was a very good fighter, when he decided to be, but you are joking yourself if you think he is top five material. He doesn't even crack the top ten.

Nile4000 · Post by **Nile4000** » 04 Nov 2005, 16:09

Holmes in a hard-fought (hopefully 15 rd) decision.

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 04 Nov 2005, 18:03

Use the search engine on this. This was gone over exhaustively.
But, to that end, Tyson would have worked Larry's body like he'd never have done to him before and would have run out of steam, thereby letting Tyson to close the gap and the fight.

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 05 Nov 2005, 06:52

well evndrbsn, my bubble is not burst because it is my opinion along with many others that Tyson would win. I am laughing at your Quarry reference

and as for Frazier and Liston,. he beats both of them too.
Dont bother responding, Its my opinion and it wont change.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 05 Nov 2005, 06:54

sockdollanger wrote:well evndrbsn, my bubble is not burst because it is my opinion along with many others that Tyson would win. I am laughing at your Quarry reference and as for Frazier and Liston,. he beats both of them too.
Dont bother responding, Its my opinion and it wont change.

Yep, it is your opinion. Want to know another opinion? Most people think Tyson was overrated. I have to agree.

Controversial · Post by **Controversial** » 05 Nov 2005, 08:30

I think Holmes would outpoint, if not stop Tyson in the late rounds.

Tyson was basically a bully who won most of his fights before the 1st bell because his opponents were petrified of him. The first fighter to stand up to him was Buster Douglas and Tyson was beat.

In later fights when Tyson was losing or things were not going to plan he would try all the dirty tactics to win. Holmes had a great chin, great jab and would've outboxed Tyson.

I don't think conclusions can be drawn from their fight because Holmes hadn't fought for two years and was on the decline anyway.

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 05 Nov 2005, 23:10

I'm going by the work Tyson did before he lost to Douglas and Holmes' opponents that he had in his prime.