any good books ?

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junior pepa seed wrote:The Book Buncey did with Watson is brilliant.

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Lenny Mclean the Gov'nor is great read.

if you like MMA

Chuck lidels book is good

agree on the Watson book :box:
and the Mclean now you mention it. Very entertaining. If you liked that try Roy Shaw's "Pretty Boy". Not to glamourise crime or anything but it was just a very good read. The story of the drugs they used to (maybe still do) pump you with in the prison asylums back in the 70s in Broadmoor and the like was bloody scary.

Has anybody read Forrest Griffins book? "Be ready when the sh*t goes down" or something it's called?

I've just got hold of Mad, Bad and Dangerous to know. Ranulph Fiennes - it's nothing to do with boxing although supposed to be really good. Let you know in 2 or 3 months :OhYes:
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NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:
junior pepa seed wrote:The Book Buncey did with Watson is brilliant.

Image

Lenny Mclean the Gov'nor is great read.

if you like MMA

Chuck lidels book is good

agree on the Watson book :box:
and the Mclean now you mention it. Very entertaining. If you liked that try Roy Shaw's "Pretty Boy". Not to glamourise crime or anything but it was just a very good read. The story of the drugs they used to (maybe still do) pump you with in the prison asylums back in the 70s in Broadmoor and the like was bloody scary.

Has anybody read Forrest Griffins book? "Be ready when the sh*t goes down" or something it's called?

I've just got hold of Mad, Bad and Dangerous to know. Ranulph Fiennes - it's nothing to do with boxing although supposed to be really good. Let you know in 2 or 3 months :OhYes:
Forrests book is okay its more an advice type book not an autobiography
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ah thanks. I only saw him fight once cos it was on a Setanta bill I got with some boxing I think, against Rampage Jackson, he was the underdog I got the impression but what heart.
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mi vida loca-Johnny Tapia
great read.
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Clint Magnum wrote:
NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:Chris Eubank's and Michael Watson's are the best I've read.
I've been meaning to get hold of Johnny Nelson's too that sounds alright. And Tony(?) Booth's.

Nelson's is a good read. Interesting career with numerous early losses and honest account of his weaknesses such as the tag as worst boxer in his gym then his wilderness years being alienated by boxers/fans/promoters after his stinker of a poor show in his first world title attempt in Sheffield.
A warts n all book and a definite cut above some of the autobiographies.
Sugar Ray Leonard's is well worth a read too. Interesting to read about his raging coke and alcohol issues during his career as well as child abuse. Both books are refreshingly honest and well written.
Teddy Atlas' autobigraphy is inciteful too, especially about Tyson and Cus.
Johnny Nelson's book can be found in Poundland.
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Dirk Kelly wrote:
Clint Magnum wrote:
NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:Chris Eubank's and Michael Watson's are the best I've read.
I've been meaning to get hold of Johnny Nelson's too that sounds alright. And Tony(?) Booth's.

Nelson's is a good read. Interesting career with numerous early losses and honest account of his weaknesses such as the tag as worst boxer in his gym then his wilderness years being alienated by boxers/fans/promoters after his stinker of a poor show in his first world title attempt in Sheffield.
A warts n all book and a definite cut above some of the autobiographies.
Sugar Ray Leonard's is well worth a read too. Interesting to read about his raging coke and alcohol issues during his career as well as child abuse. Both books are refreshingly honest and well written.
Teddy Atlas' autobigraphy is inciteful too, especially about Tyson and Cus.
Johnny Nelson's book can be found in Poundland.
Bollocks, I paid a fiver for it :doh:
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I will look for that. I've been close to buying that on Amazon before.
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The Fight- Norman Mailer and McIlvanney -the hardest game.
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I randomly picked up "The Hurt Business" last week because I saw George Kimball's name on it. It seems to be an anthology, I'm sure I have the majority of it in other books but I'm enjoying it so far.
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CharlesListon wrote:Looking for a Fight, by David Matthews.

He was a journo and boxing fan that decided to write a book about becoming a pro. It took him years and he lost his debut and sole fight.

Its a good read and insight into pro boxing in the UK.
I think Looking for a Fight is one of the best books on combat sports ever written. If I can be permitted some indulgence, I would go as far as to say that it is a classic of participatory journalism. It is a great, great book and I would recommend it highly. It got some plaudits when it came out and was well reviewed but I don't think that it was a massive hit. That's a real shame.

If you liked it, I would also recommend Matthew's second book Man buys Dog. It's not about boxing at all but it continues giving you an insight into the life of David Matthews.

I would also recommend a book called This Bloody Mary is the Last Thing I Own by the late Jonathan Rendall. It's a very well written book and details Rendall's adventures in boxing. It makes an interesting companion to Mathew's book as some of the same characters pop up in it. Howard Rainey is a significant character in both.

Rendall was a wonderful writer who lived a very troubled existence. He died earlier this year aged 48. If you're interested in him the Sabotage Times did a nice piece on him back in February (http://sabotagetimes.com/people/the-bru ... n-rendall/). Brilliant but troubled, that was how he was described in his obituaries.

Anyway, the product description of This Blood Mary is the Last Thing I Own boxing book sums it up much better than I could. So, I will just copy and paste that.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/This-Bloody-Mar ... hing+I+own
Publication Date: 20 April 1998

The sport of boxing is dying in a last explosion of dollars. Its beleaguered performers are reaching up for a last payday with bravery, one-liners and self-delusion. Fittingly it is in boxing's capital, in a faded downtown Vegas casino with a hooker for company, that the author, a boxing writer and sometime boxer's agent, reflects on his own exit from the scene. As the boxing world starts to recede, the characters he has lived with, and for, rear sharply into focus one last time: the astonishing Jack Kid Berg, and Kid Chocolate the Havana Dandy, and 'Sweet C' McMillan. This Bloody Mary is the journey of an obsession. It started innocently enough. But as it proceeds, the arc lights begin to shift, until even the shadows in the minds of those who inhabit and surround the ring seem caught in their glare.
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nfc90210 wrote:
CharlesListon wrote:Looking for a Fight, by David Matthews.

He was a journo and boxing fan that decided to write a book about becoming a pro. It took him years and he lost his debut and sole fight.

Its a good read and insight into pro boxing in the UK.
I think Looking for a Fight is one of the best books on combat sports ever written. If I can be permitted some indulgence, I would go as far as to say that it is a classic of participatory journalism. It is a great, great book and I would recommend it highly. It got some plaudits when it came out and was well reviewed but I don't think that it was a massive hit. That's a real shame.

If you liked it, I would also recommend Matthew's second book Man buys Dog. It's not about boxing at all but it continues giving you an insight into the life of David Matthews.

I would also recommend a book called This Bloody Mary is the Last Thing I Own by the late Jonathan Rendall. It's a very well written book and details Rendall's adventures in boxing. It makes an interesting companion to Mathew's book as some of the same characters pop up in it. Howard Rainey is a significant character in both.

Rendall was a wonderful writer who lived a very troubled existence. He died earlier this year aged 48. If you're interested in him the Sabotage Times did a nice piece on him back in February (http://sabotagetimes.com/people/the-bru ... n-rendall/). Brilliant but troubled, that was how he was described in his obituaries.

Anyway, the product description of This Blood Mary is the Last Thing I Own boxing book sums it up much better than I could. So, I will just copy and paste that.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/This-Bloody-Mar ... hing+I+own
Publication Date: 20 April 1998

The sport of boxing is dying in a last explosion of dollars. Its beleaguered performers are reaching up for a last payday with bravery, one-liners and self-delusion. Fittingly it is in boxing's capital, in a faded downtown Vegas casino with a hooker for company, that the author, a boxing writer and sometime boxer's agent, reflects on his own exit from the scene. As the boxing world starts to recede, the characters he has lived with, and for, rear sharply into focus one last time: the astonishing Jack Kid Berg, and Kid Chocolate the Havana Dandy, and 'Sweet C' McMillan. This Bloody Mary is the journey of an obsession. It started innocently enough. But as it proceeds, the arc lights begin to shift, until even the shadows in the minds of those who inhabit and surround the ring seem caught in their glare.

I came across a book called Twelve Grand by Jonathan Rendall a few years ago. He basically was documenting (in the book) how he gambled his 12k advance for the book. It was kind of semi-autobiographical I think. Dealt a lot with alcoholism too. It was a bloody brilliant book and I've recommended it on Boxrec before. Sad to hear that he's died - I'll definitely follow up his other work.
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grub wrote:Couple of others I'd recommend:
Boxing Confidential by Jim Brady
The Longest Round by Dominic Calder-Smith
Facing Tyson by Ted KluckAvoid:

The Journeyman by Mike Murray

There was a good thread on boxing books going around not too long ago that would be worth searching for.
I wasn't too keen on that book.
lots of decent fighter making excuses for why they lost to tyson
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Check out this week's Boxing News for a boxing books top 10 and a feature on Dark Trade.
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dbflex wrote:Check out this week's Boxing News for a boxing books top 10 and a feature on Dark Trade.
Danny, you've got to speak up on the podcast! :wink:
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I've just re-read 'A Flame of Pure Fire - Jack Dempsey and the Roaring Twenties' by Roger Khan. An excellent book about a great champion.
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dbflex wrote:Check out this week's Boxing News for a boxing books top 10 and a feature on Dark Trade.
Dark Trade has to be one of the worst and most overrated books in the entire genre. That was the book that started the trend of sub-Gonzo boxing lit where authors would tenuously weave their own dull lives into those of the fighters. You'd have to excise at least half of Dark Trade to rid it of the author's dismal autobiography and make it an actual book about boxing.

Dark Trade is basically thick people's idea of great writing.
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Dark Trade is a good book. Night Train is possibly the worst.
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Re speaking up on the podcast, I'm fighting my natural instinct to be gracious and bequeath the floor to others!

As for Dark Trade, if it's aimed at thickos then colour me thick. I found it gripping, fascinating and moving. The fact that I watched many of the protagonists as a kid only added to my enjoyment. Cards on the table I really enjoyed it. Four Kings and Black Ajax are also very good.
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Danny, please can we have a regular book review slot in Boxing News?

That would be greatly appreciated...
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nh1 wrote:Danny, please can we have a regular book review slot in Boxing News?

That would be greatly appreciated...
There is one in Boxing Monthly. It depends on what type of reader you are and what you are after. Tell me, and I will recommend one especially for you.
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mickey1975 wrote:
nh1 wrote:Danny, please can we have a regular book review slot in Boxing News?

That would be greatly appreciated...
There is one in Boxing Monthly. It depends on what type of reader you are and what you are after. Tell me, and I will recommend one especially for you.
Thanks. It wasn't so much for recommendations from the past--this thread is an excellent resource for that. It was more so that I can keep up with what's coming out--in the same way as I use book review sections in the Sunday papers. I know Boxing Monthly has a regular slot, but I let my BM subscription lapse a while ago. Still get BN, and would like to be kept in the loop...
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I like Paul Briggs. Probably because of the life I have lead...
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nh1 wrote:
mickey1975 wrote:
nh1 wrote:Danny, please can we have a regular book review slot in Boxing News?

That would be greatly appreciated...
There is one in Boxing Monthly. It depends on what type of reader you are and what you are after. Tell me, and I will recommend one especially for you.
Thanks. It wasn't so much for recommendations from the past--this thread is an excellent resource for that. It was more so that I can keep up with what's coming out--in the same way as I use book review sections in the Sunday papers. I know Boxing Monthly has a regular slot, but I let my BM subscription lapse a while ago. Still get BN, and would like to be kept in the loop...
I'll mention it to Tris. It's whether it's something that a significant number of readers want.
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dbflex wrote:
nh1 wrote:
nh1 wrote:Danny, please can we have a regular book review slot in Boxing News?

That would be greatly appreciated...

I'll mention it to Tris. It's whether it's something that a significant number of readers want.
Thanks very much, Danny--appreciated.
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mickey1975 wrote:
nh1 wrote:Danny, please can we have a regular book review slot in Boxing News?

That would be greatly appreciated...
There is one in Boxing Monthly. It depends on what type of reader you are and what you are after. Tell me, and I will recommend one especially for you.
The Book Reviewer at Boxing Monthly, John Exton (I think) does very thorough, critical reviews - I really enjoy his reviews. I would like someone like him to do a periodic list of recommended boxing books, both older books and the best of the new crop of books.
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