Muhammad Ali vs. Manuel Ramos '1968'

[Giancarlo]

Ramos KO1, obviously.

[hhaehre]

Ramos KO1, obviously.

Not so sure. Manuel could also choose to carry Ali a few rounds to display his awesome boxing skills before lowering the boom. I'd say Ramos KO5, scorecards after 4 would be in the 40-32 range for Ramos.

[Giancarlo]

Ramos KO1, obviously.

Not so sure. Manuel could also choose to carry Ali a few rounds to display his awesome boxing skills before lowering the boom. I'd say Ramos KO5, scorecards after 4 would be in the 40-32 range for Ramos.

Yeah, good point.

Any way, this is certainly one that Clay just can't win given the massive disparity in skill and opposition level.

[scorpio83]

You guys can't be serious?! There is no chance that Ramos would never touch Ali in his prime. Look at Ramos' best wins: Beating a faded Eddie Machen and a downhill Ernie Terrell. Ramos got destroyed by Smokin Joe Frazier in 2, lost to George Chuvalo by TKO in 5, losing to Duane Bobick, Joe Bugner and Ron Lyle. I know that is your opinion and I will not change your mind. Either you hate Ali or you are just trolling.

Here's the result if they ever fought:

Ali by KO from 1 to 5.

[dempseyfire]

[evrenb]

What started as interesting thread has ended up on the usual path...i was really learning something here...but alas it was a lure into another ali draft dodger thread...sad...and boring.

[evrenb]

Il douche.....

[evrenb]

Bollocks...

[Woller]

I was very impressed with Manuel Ramos at the time he defeated Lars Norling and Eddie Machen, but after all his carear at the top was only 2 years. He started with as many losses as wins - had a good looking stretch until stopped by Joe Frazier - and then went downhill with the same speed as Thad Spencer. Lack of training? Lack of motivation? Need for a great trainer? Or was he simply not good enough at the top of the heavyweight division.? After all: Lars Norlig was shot, Eddie Machen was on the slide and as far as I have read (I have not seen the fight) the decision over Ernie Terrel was suspect.
Manuel Ramos against Jerry Quarry, Leotis Martin or Jimmy Ellis would have been interesting, but a fight against Muhammad Ali would have been a no win situation.
No promotor could have made a dollar out of that fight. In Mexico with some "Black drug money", maybe, but who would buy that? The champ or the nessecary TV support?

Woller

[Giancarlo]

Bollocks...

I like your 'spunk',

Pearly necklace requests should be made in the Current Scene section.

[Giancarlo]

George was wrong.

Clay has no chance against Ramos.

The only way he could make it out of the 1st 3 rounds is if the fix was in like it was for the fights with Cooper, Liston, Frazier & Foreman.

That uppity Clay was a fraud. And a draft dodger. And he boffed white women. And he never paid your uncle for all those funky rhymes.

Godamsunofabitch, somebody ought to do something about that!