earsjohn wrote:
I'm not trying to compare Froch with Mayweather from a technical point of view, but the point is that Floyds appearance on a Dancing show 3 months before his fight with Hatton had no impact on his performance or preparation. On the night he fought Hatton, Floyd was in arguably the best shape of his career. Carl is always fighting fit and, therefore, a couple of hours of dancing with his wife is not going to make a jot of difference to his fight with Groves.
You are comparing Floyd and Froch. Floyd never viewed Hatton as any sort of threat,imo.
Floyd is ALWAYS in good shape, even thought he knew Hatton would be training better than ever he still took time off to dance, and its more than a 'couple of hours'.
earsjohn wrote:Floyd Mayweather entered Dancing with the Stars in September 2007 ahead of his December 2007 fight with Ricky Hatton. If Money took the Hitman lightly, he certainly didn't show it in the ring on the night.
This will have zero impact on his fight preparation and will help add a few 000's to the PPV numbers.
Yeah you cant really compare Mayweather with Froch! Froch is a great fighter but Mayweather is a special talent who can do things the majority of other boxers cant.
I'm not trying to compare Froch with Mayweather from a technical point of view, but the point is that Floyds appearance on a Dancing show 3 months before his fight with Hatton had no impact on his performance or preparation. On the night he fought Hatton, Floyd was in arguably the best shape of his career. Carl is always fighting fit and, therefore, a couple of hours of dancing with his wife is not going to make a jot of difference to his fight with Groves.
It won't be "a couple of hours" dancing. I'm guessing it will be more 12 + hours of interviews and dance practice a week. If he can handle it fair play to him, especially if he's getting paid a fair wack. But personally I think it's a bad idea given the fight is so close and it could clash with his training camp.
Doubt this is going to have much if any impact. I don't think Carl will be overly distracted, and the training won't harm him either, good for his footwork and balance if anything.
I still expect Carl to handle Groves relatively easily, Carl can be outboxed at times, but I doubt Groves has the experience to do it at this stage.
earsjohn wrote:Floyd Mayweather entered Dancing with the Stars in September 2007 ahead of his December 2007 fight with Ricky Hatton. If Money took the Hitman lightly, he certainly didn't show it in the ring on the night.
This will have zero impact on his fight preparation and will help add a few 000's to the PPV numbers.
1) Will add to the PPV
2) Froch is no Mayweather.
RJJ could play basketball, but he was on another level. Groves has a better chance against Froch than Ricky ever did against Mayweather.
The point isn't that Froch is on Mayweather's level in terms of skills but in terms of preparation and dedication theres probably not much between them. If people are looking at this as some kind of weakness or opportunity for Groves, then they really are clutching at straws.
Groves needs more than some dancing show to help him. He's out of his depth, way out.
DMA1987 wrote:He must really really love his girlfriend. Its got her written all over it.
Is a classic case of doing something the mrs wants to do! Her job seems to simply be his mrs, so maybe she sees it as a launch to something else
don't they normally get paired up with a professional dancer? literally in Calzaghe's case wasn't it? Is Froch going to just be on there dancing with his own Mrs?? surely not....
I also think why the hell not? You might look at it thus.....100k for a fight (okay more for the last couple I expect) and about double that for going on a Dancing show where nobody's going to punch him. Jonathan Ross was on 15million a year out the licence fee...BBC got money to burn. Although it wouldn't be my cup of tea personally but some people are more outgoing than others I guess.
I ain't a fan of Mrs Froch. I remember seeing her screaming at ringside once shouting "kill him Carl!!......effin kill him!!" ......I know people are a product of various factors but that was a deal breaker for me.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote:Doubt this is going to have much if any impact. I don't think Carl will be overly distracted, and the training won't harm him either, good for his footwork and balance if anything.
I still expect Carl to handle Groves relatively easily, Carl can be outboxed at times, but I doubt Groves has the experience to do it at this stage.
I don't think George Groves is going to get trampled here like some ABA novice pro. Groves is a strong guy, and a good hitter as well. I don't think he'll bottle it either, why the hell should he? Did Calzaghe bottle it against Eubank? or Froch against Pascale? Not on your Nellie.
(ps. I know that you didn't actually say that btw, it's just my opinion)
I'm not trying to compare Froch with Mayweather from a technical point of view, but the point is that Floyds appearance on a Dancing show 3 months before his fight with Hatton had no impact on his performance or preparation. On the night he fought Hatton, Floyd was in arguably the best shape of his career. Carl is always fighting fit and, therefore, a couple of hours of dancing with his wife is not going to make a jot of difference to his fight with Groves.
How do you know? Perhaps Mayweather would've won even more convincingly had he not participated in the dancing show.
I don't think participating in shows like these always makes a significant difference to preparation or outcome, but we cannot say it doesn't in particular cases just because a fighter wins handily or seems in good shape.
stevieb_8006 wrote:I thought that. Surprised he got involved tbh, out of character. I have a feeling he's overlooking George a little bit. When a successful English boxer starts this sort of thing u know the good times are almost over. When the celebs accompany them on the ring walk, when the family get involved in the business side and when they start experimenting with new haircuts....the sure sign that a defeats just around the corner.
This was my thought exactly. I'm not sure it'll have TOO much impact come fight night, but at the same time the one thing I've always credited Carl with, is his professionalism and his seriousness when it comes to his opponents, but I think this is the first time ever he has showed an inkling of not taking his opponent seriously.
Although we know Haye craves the limelight; his appearance on I'm a Celebrity was between camps whereby he had nothing in his calendar. Even though the Froch Groves fight is only just being officially announced, it's been in the pipeline for weeks now and I'm not too sure taking part in a poxy dancing show is the best choice to make at the minute. But saying that, Froch is now getting the attention and celebrity he's craved so I understand him jumping on the opportunity to take advantage of that.
deadpan wrote:Anyone who thinks this will have any impact on the inevitability of Froch taking Groves to the deep end has been watching too much Rocky 3.
Not that you can watch too much Rocky 3.
Great post deadpan.
What a lot of OTT reactions. People should really consider giving Froch credit for having a brain of his own.
deadpan wrote:Anyone who thinks this will have any impact on the inevitability of Froch taking Groves to the deep end has been watching too much Rocky 3.
Not that you can watch too much Rocky 3.
Great post deadpan.
What a lot of OTT reactions. People should really consider giving Froch credit for having a brain of his own.
A brain of his own? No chance - everything he does is the result of the fame-starved yearnings of his attention-whore girlfriend or the Machiavellian machinations of his paymasters at Nice-Guy-Eddie Towers. He is nothing but a puppet to these dastardley groups of individuals. There is probably some greater power behind it all. Who to blame....?
I think the possibilities are endless for Carl's new endeavour.
Dancing could improve his footwork. By the end on of the series he should be able to Tango out of tight corners, Charleston out of clinches and Disco out of danger.
He might need a new nickname though, how about Carl the Coryphee, or Carl the Chorus Girl?
I bet Groves is shitting his pants on this new development
I guess that the thing is, Mayweather and Haye both live high profile lives all the time; we know that the fighter we see in the ring has always been the product of that sort of lifestyle. Froch appears to lead a much more monkish, profile and dedicated existence, so it's the sudden change that's the worry. You think "What if this sudden change will be mirrored by a sudden change in the ring?". My money is still on a schooling for young Groves. Eubank was largely done when Calzaghe fought him, and Froch-Pascal was a meeting of two rising young turks. Carl has been at the peak of his powers in his last few, and doesn't look like he's deteriorating. Groves will have to find a couple of levels above the guy who had such a squeaker with DeGale if he's to be competitive, and I don't think he will.
He's probably been made a good offer financially and thought sod it.
And all of this 'has his girlfriend written all over it' crap. So what, its clear she's a canny lass and so what if she wanted to be on TV.
Absolutely no danger of this having any bearing on the Groves fight.
I've heard it said Froch needs to crossover, has no personality etc etc - so he does something to try and rectify that and gets a volley.
Words fail me at times
Who does he need to crossover for? The guys a boxer, not a dancer. Would you like to see him in panto dressed as a geeni like Bruno?
Stick to boxing. He can make enough out of it.
He doesn't need to but he shouldn't be criticised for attempting it. I don't get the hate directed at his missus either.
He can do what he wants to; if he wants to go on telly then why not? A lot of the 'hate' toward his partner is maybe jealousy as she is very good looking, other than that it's maybe when she made a bit of a show of herself screaming at a Froch bout, lovely looking but horrible shouting voice.
Since signing with Hearn they've given him a social media makeover and tarted up his media perception. So SKY Matchroom shows are sponsored by BetFair and oh look, it's Carl talking about how he likes to play a bit of online poker with BetFair! Fancy that! Oh look, he mentions his wife's twitter account multiple times a day, I wonder why he's doing that? He's interviewed on Talk Sport and he pauses then remembers he's plugging the show on SKY, who happen to have a "relationship" with Talk Sport, and he mentions his promoter's name and then SKY again.
Hearn gets them to use twitter as a promotional vehicle, and they shoehorn sponsors in all the time. Of course, it's nothing new but it's really clumsy and shilly.
......I know people are a product of various factors but that was a deal breaker for me.
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