WSB AND AIBA ARE PROS

[ABC BOXING]

I was told that Lomachenko was getting paid $10,000 a month weather he fought or didn't fight. Vary few if any professional fighters get paid like that.

[crusader]

And if he's been earning that since 2008 is he 75-0 as a professional? Should he capture a world title two bouts from now, will he actually break the record for the most professional fights before winning a first major world title?

[scallum]

I was told that Lomachenko was getting paid $10,000 a month weather he fought or didn't fight. Vary few if any professional fighters get paid like that.

All those guys In Wsb should be considered professional boxers

[locoxelbox]

I think the discussion about amateurs is a bit irrelevant. AIBA has deleted the word "amateur" from amateur boxing. It is now called AIBA Open Boxing. AIBA stands now for "International Boxing Association" without the word "amateur". They even intend to have all countries erase the word "amateur" from their national federations and clubs. We still call it amateur boxing but it was a long time ago that the elite amateurs were simple amateurs in the sense of the word. Today it is just another type of competition format than pro boxing. Most top amateurs (those who compete for medals at the Olympics) can beat 90% of the professional boxers.

[Tarquin Tarpaulin V]

I was told that Lomachenko was getting paid $10,000 a month weather he fought or didn't fight. Vary few if any professional fighters get paid like that.

I was told the Ukrainians weren't receiving their money? Alleged to be one of the reasons Lomachenko and Usyk went professional...

[Tarquin Tarpaulin V]

I think the discussion about amateurs is a bit irrelevant. AIBA has deleted the word "amateur" from amateur boxing. It is now called AIBA Open Boxing. AIBA stands now for "International Boxing Association" without the word "amateur". They even intend to have all countries erase the word "amateur" from their national federations and clubs. We still call it amateur boxing but it was a long time ago that the elite amateurs were simple amateurs in the sense of the word. Today it is just another type of competition format than pro boxing. Most top amateurs (those who compete for medals at the Olympics) can beat 90% of the professional boxers.

Which raises the question, 'what right do AIBA have to impose their will, or in reality that of one or two people, onto national federations, with the intention to get every club to do the same?

The term amateur is used by all to distinguish between the codes and has done for decades. Like the terms 'unlicensed' or 'white collar' they are pretty meaningless from a factual point of view but are ingrained into society in much the same way as the term 'Hoover' is in relation to vacuuming!

[ABC BOXING]

AIBA is run by a dictator that is their only right. Many countries are used to be run without a say so. Especialy eastern countries I guess. Oh and this guy wants to lead the Olyimpics WOW you might as well let the North Korean leader be president of Olympics.

[krackle]

It would be nice to get some real insight on this. Much of the rest of the world doesn't consider WSB professional. ABC does, but why?

Edit: What I mean is that WSB boxers do not have pro licenses. (or do they?)

[ABC BOXING]

WSB fought under California Commission, Florida Commission, Nevada commission, and some Mexico Commission which was under their rules of each commission it is on record with results. Which means blood work, eyes, and brain scans or Nuro testing was done depends on the commissions rules. Payment bonds and insurance had to be in place. WSB charged at the door for fans. So over all commissions were used to promote these fights in these places. Someone is reporting all these WSB fights to fightfax as they have almost all WSB fighters fight faxes even the fighters that never fought in the USA. So is WSB reporting these fights or some insider? Why report them to fight fax if they are not professional? heres an example; http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/if-loma ... ord-222071

read the fight report on him.

[Tarquin Tarpaulin V]

I believe there's a little more cunning at play here.

AIBA have stated that WSB & APB professionals (don't forget they are looking to sign up existing pro boxers at some stage) can gain an Olympic place but this is not actually true. The IOC have yet to set the selection criteria for Rio 2016 and should they do so the WBC and other bodies have legal teams in place to cry foul due to the creation of a monopoly. AIBA can say what they like until the criteria is set.
However...
Initially the WSB was heralded as 'pro style' and only in recent weeks, with the seemingly impossible coup in getting Cuba to sign up has the word professional been used in the true sense of the word. This elevation of the status given to the WSB effectively means that bona fide professionals boxed at London 2012. In other words a monopolistic precedent to allow professionals was set and the selection criteria need only be tweaked to allow APB boxers to do the same.
However...
The APB (AIBA Professional Boxing) cannot get TV support and will not succeed. That's long been my view and one that is shared, I am told, by some at the very heart of AIBA. I foresee the APB being mothballed in favour of a greater attempt to gain Olympic entry via the WSB. They have already increased the WSB weight categories to cover most if not all the weight classes.

If Dr Wu gets the IOC Presidents role then amateur boxing as we know it is doomed...

PS: If professionals have already boxed then it could be argued that the WBC and others could retrospectively challenge the monopoly created.

There are rumours of disgruntled WSB boxers who signed contracts as amateurs but now find themselves with professional losses on their card before the've laced on a glove. The loss of promotional and earning power as an unbeaten fighter could be considerable.

[ABC BOXING]

Tarquin Tarpaulin V wrote There are rumours of disgruntled WSB boxers who signed contracts as amateurs but now find themselves with professional losses on their card before the've laced on a glove. The loss of promotional and earning power as an unbeaten fighter could be considerable.
the statement above is very true as far as signing bonus, promotional money but how many Olympic Medalist never made it in the pros? How many top prospects never made it in the pros? many and the guys today that already have loses will probably never be the best of the best either. To be the best of the best you have to win no matter who is in front of you. So if they lost in the WSB aiba then there not the best of the best so they don't deserve the bonuses, promotional money and all the cream that comes with it.

[Tarquin Tarpaulin IV]

Tarquin Tarpaulin V wrote There are rumours of disgruntled WSB boxers who signed contracts as amateurs but now find themselves with professional losses on their card before the've laced on a glove. The loss of promotional and earning power as an unbeaten fighter could be considerable.
the statement above is very true as far as signing bonus, promotional money but how many Olympic Medalist never made it in the pros? How many top prospects never made it in the pros? many and the guys today that already have loses will probably never be the best of the best either. To be the best of the best you have to win no matter who is in front of you. So if they lost in the WSB aiba then there not the best of the best so they don't deserve the bonuses, promotional money and all the cream that comes with it.

Mike Tyson lost as an amateur, as did Roy Jones in Seoul.

[ABC BOXING]

Your talking about real amateurs then and besides Roy Jones was ROBBED in Seoul. The people now a days are not Amateur even AIBA calls them pros. Don't disrespect AIBA LOL

[Tarquin Tarpaulin V]

I threw a bit of bait in there D ;;-)

The record books show that Roy Jones lost....

My point being that a loss in the WSB or as an amateur doesn't mean that the boxer cannot go on to achieve greatness.

That doesn't negate the point that Joe Public is sold on the idea that somebody is invincible.