3 year ban for England?

[Tarquin Tarpaulin IV]

England boxers prevented from competing in Youth Europeans..

Rumours of a 3 year ban!!!

[ABC BOXING]

why, what this about and who band them?

[scallum]

why, what this about and who band them?

Aiba, I don't know specifics but its unfortunate. Im not sure if they are allowed to do sanctioned shows at all?

[Tarquin Tarpaulin IV]

England have insurance cover in their own right and do not need AIBA recognition to continue domestic action.

The wider impact affects neigbouring countries Wales, Scotland and Ireland, the US where several club team matches are planned, several European Box Cup Tournaments and boxers such as Nicola Adams the first female Olympic Gold Medal Winner. AIBA have yet to realise the wider impact to those who are not formally suspended.

[scallum]

If England continues to do Matches wouldn't that Just piss of Aiba even more?

[ABC BOXING]

http://www.charlottestar.com/index.php/ ... 89e4db5aad

Dictator run AIBA

[scallum]

Imo it would just be better to conform. Aiba holds all the cards to each and every single international Event for all ages.

[Tarquin Tarpaulin IV]

Imo it would just be better to conform. Aiba holds all the cards to each and every single international Event for all ages.

How on earth do you conform to something that is clearly *not right, clearly unsafe, clearly not wanted?

Lord above have you no spirit to do what's right man?

I sincerely hope you never get sent to prison. You'd spend most of your term walking round with a sore backside

*how on earth can you expect England to turn their backs on £13 million of government funding?
* how on earth can you convince experienced coaches that a potential 10k weight difference is safe?

[scallum]

I'm not in England so don't know what goes on there. Just glad our program here in Usa was able to avoid suspensions snd kids get to box internationaly. Good luck to you guys in England getting reinstated, if that is what you folks want to do

[ABC BOXING]

U.S.A. should follow England AIBA is not the way our kids should be handled their rules are not at all considering safe guards for our amateurs only certain weight especially for females on Olympics. We have our kids going to battle AIBA paid pros for spots in the Olympics. Scallum you think your kids stand a chance to make Olympics facing paid pros? Do you realize in close fights our kids stand a snowball chance in Hell of winning by decision. AIBA holds the cards to a disaster for non paid boxers. I feel bad for the US boxers fighting their hearts out here in America and the going to internationals and Olympics and getting stone walled there.
Sorry Scallum but that is how I see future amateur boxing with AIBA. You have to see things as AIBA wants their fighters to win Gold Medels they are trying to compete with professional boxing as we know it. AIBA is paying their boxers to win Gold so investments has to pay back to AIBE.
I don't expect everyone to agree with me but when cash is involved it makes for greed.

[scallum]

U.S.A. should follow England AIBA is not the way our kids should be handled their rules are not at all considering safe guards for our amateurs only certain weight especially for females on Olympics. We have our kids going to battle AIBA paid pros for spots in the Olympics. Scallum you think your kids stand a chance to make Olympics facing paid pros? Do you realize in close fights our kids stand a snowball chance in Hell of winning by decision. AIBA holds the cards to a disaster for non paid boxers. I feel bad for the US boxers fighting their hearts out here in America and the going to internationals and Olympics and getting stone walled there.
Sorry Scallum but that is how I see future amateur boxing with AIBA. You have to see things as AIBA wants their fighters to win Gold Medels they are trying to compete with professional boxing as we know it. AIBA is paying their boxers to win Gold so investments has to pay back to AIBE.
I don't expect everyone to agree with me but when cash is involved it makes for greed.

The problem is Aiba is in Charge of Amatuer boxing and has complete control over all international events. Most kids dream of doing international events like Olympics, Pan Am Games, Jr World Championships... I will never, ever , ever be before anything that gets in the way of thousands of thousands of kids dreams. The situation we had here in Usa was Adults Egos getting in the way of kids dreams, Aiba was 100% correct in Usa situation.

[ABC BOXING]

After Olympics we will see who is on this board bragging or crying but your right our kids come first!

[scallum]

After Olympics we will see who is on this board bragging or crying but your right our kids come first!

One of the most precious things on planet earth is the dynamic of kids dreaming and actually going to put in works everyday to try and realise that dreams. Kids really sacrifice to chase thier dreams. Sum makes it and sum don't but it is a pure treasure to be a help in encouraging kids to chase those dreams. Yes the kids Always come first its too bad Sum adults don't think like that

[JMac]

Imo it would just be better to conform. Aiba holds all the cards to each and every single international Event for all ages.

How on earth do you conform to something that is clearly *not right, clearly unsafe, clearly not wanted?

Lord above have you no spirit to do what's right man?

*how on earth can you expect England to turn their backs on £13 million of government funding?
* how on earth can you convince experienced coaches that a potential 10k weight difference is safe?

I am trying to figure out why amateur boxing in England is in trouble with AIBA. You have a confusing system in the UK. Let me know if this is right. You have ABAE running amateur boxing in England. The BABA controls your Olympic team which is made up of 3 countries, England, Scotland and Wales under the banner of Team Great Britain. Then you have Sport England who funds I'm assuming the ABAE or is it BABA? SE is a gov't funding group controlled by non boxing people. Does Paul King, former head of ABAE control SE? King backed Choudhdry who was the most corrupt President of AIBA but Wu beat him and then King wanted to run against Wu in the next election but somehow AIBA found a way to keep him from running. Now and correct me if I am wrong, Sport England, controlled by Paul King dropped support and or funding of the British WSB team and also the ABAE does not want to drop the word amateur from their name and they don't want or did not let the English WSB boxers compete in the national championships? Also in domestic championships you have a weight class between 81 kgs and 91 kgs and think not having the extra weight class is unsafe.
I am sure I have some of the facts wrong. Like I said, it is confusing. Looking at the Warrior boxing forum, it seems not everybody involved in the ABAE is in agreement which is not surprising with any large group. When AIBA suspended USAB, there were lots of opinions on what should or should not be done. We had a different situation then what is going on with the ABAE.
As for your funding situation, I don't know enough about it to make an opinion. It seems you amateur and pros train in different gyms. Is that true? Do some gyms train both ams and pros? In the US, it is very common for gyms to have both. As for the 10k weight difference and safety of it, well it has only been since '84 when AIBA added the 91+ kgs weight class. Before that, anything after light heavy was a heavyweight and there was no super heavyweight class. It seems to work fine for the rest of the countries of the world and I don't think there is a higher risk of injury for boxers between 81 and 91 kgs. so I don't see the big hang-up for ABAE unless they have the statistics to show a higher injury rate. As for WSB boxers boxing amateurs, again I don't think it is that big of a deal. I know that in the US in most gyms, it is common for amateurs to spar pros. People seem to be hung up about WSB boxers getting paid but your top BABA boxers get paid very well just like many other countries where top amateurs get paid by the government. Part of the problem in the US is that the top amateurs do not get paid much so they turn pro at a young age, just when they were starting to develop as a good international amateur boxer.

[Tarquin Tarpaulin IV]

Imo it would just be better to conform. Aiba holds all the cards to each and every single international Event for all ages.

How on earth do you conform to something that is clearly *not right, clearly unsafe, clearly not wanted?

Lord above have you no spirit to do what's right man?

*how on earth can you expect England to turn their backs on £13 million of government funding?
* how on earth can you convince experienced coaches that a potential 10k weight difference is safe?

I am trying to figure out why amateur boxing in England is in trouble with AIBA. You have a confusing system in the UK. Let me know if this is right. You have ABAE running amateur boxing in England. Correct, but their influence over team selection has been eroded following the re-establishment of BABA. The BABA controls your Olympic team which is made up of 3 countries, England, Scotland and Wales under the banner of Team Great Britain. Yes, but BABA continues to run the international side of things which reduces Englands involvement and because of their limited numbers that of Scotland as well. Wales are happy to go along with things but they do have heavy representation on AIBA. Then you have Sport England who funds I'm assuming the ABAE or is it BABA? SE funds England, UK Sport funds BABA but there is some crossover. SE is a gov't funding group controlled by non boxing people. Does Paul King, former head of ABAE control SE? NO King backed Choudhdry who was the most corrupt President of AIBA but Wu beat him and then King wanted to run against Wu in the next election but somehow AIBA found a way to keep him from running. Correct. Lone wolf syndrome Now and correct me if I am wrong, Sport England, controlled by Paul King NO, Paul King has nothing to do with SE but is trying to work with them in his role as devlopment officer for London ABA dropped support and or funding of the British WSB team No. Sport England cannot fund what is in effect a commercial enterprise. If they did then they would have to fund the British Boxing Board of Control, our professional body. AIBA funded in full the British Lionhearts franchise on the understanding that we would secure funding for its continuation. They were hoodwinked and it is beleived that this has more to do with the suspension than the charges levied. It could never happen anyway for the reasons given above. and also the ABAE does not want to drop the word amateur from their name We are proudly amateur, 99% volunteers and like the distinction between us and the pros and they don't want or did not let the English WSB boxers compete in the national championships? True. Our national championships have been eroded due to the non entry of Englands GB squad boxers and as such relative novices enter in teh early stages. It was not considered fair or safe, although I appreciate your comments about pro sparring, for WSB boxers to be allowed entry. Also in domestic championships you have a weight class between 81 kgs and 91 kgs and think not having the extra weight class is unsafe. For 7 years the annual general meetings of every region in the country saw clubs request the re-introduction of Light Middleweight and Cruiserweight categories in domestic championships. This isn't some half baked way of upsetting AIBA but a genuine concern. We are talking about amateurs here who compete for fun and to deny them the opportunity to compete within a sensible weight category was considered unsafe. An under 81k boxer who through illness, injury, growth spurt or overeating that tips the scales a half k over could compete against a boiled down 95ker in the under 91k category. Sometimes you have to have rules that save the boxer from themselves.
I am sure I have some of the facts wrong. Like I said, it is confusing. Looking at the Warrior boxing forum, it seems not everybody involved in the ABAE is in agreement which is not surprising with any large group. People are confused. Whoever shouts loudest is being heard at the moment. The overwhelming majority see two sides to this, that we cannot have AIBA telling us what to do if we do not agree with their view and that we must have international competition. In the middle are major problems with ABAE, the non boxing leaders of which will happily sign up to the pro ideal and the thought of more $$$$$$ which is balanced by a meeting this coming weekend that could see every club in the country set up a completely new organisation, completely detached from all outside influence. Mr King will be about somewhere. When AIBA suspended USAB, there were lots of opinions on what should or should not be done. We had a different situation then what is going on with the ABAE.
As for your funding situation, I don't know enough about it to make an opinion. It seems you amateur and pros train in different gyms. Is that true? Yes, although in recent years there has been an opportunity for amateur clubs to work with professionals, usually their own boxers who have turned over. father and son teams etc., Do some gyms train both ams and pros? In the US, it is very common for gyms to have both. As for the 10k weight difference and safety of it, well it has only been since '84 when AIBA added the 91+ kgs weight class. Before that, anything after light heavy was a heavyweight and there was no super heavyweight class. It seems to work fine for the rest of the countries of the world and I don't think there is a higher risk of injury for boxers between 81 and 91 kgs. so I don't see the big hang-up for ABAE unless they have the statistics to show a higher injury rate. As for WSB boxers boxing amateurs, again I don't think it is that big of a deal. I know that in the US in most gyms, it is common for amateurs to spar pros. People seem to be hung up about WSB boxers getting paid but your top BABA boxers get paid very well just like many other countries where top amateurs get paid by the government. Part of the problem in the US is that the top amateurs do not get paid much so they turn pro at a young age, just when they were starting to develop as a good international amateur boxer. In England they are paid according to success and world ranking. A bigger issue both real and considered is the huge disparity in how the funding is allocated. GB Performance Director Rob McCracken reportedly earns £100k a year, the ABAE CEO £107k, office staff on £55k and a whole host of support staff gives an annual wage bill in excess of £1.5m. The amateur clubs look at the WSB, APB, BABA and the heirarchy of the ABAE, Sport England etc., through the broken roofs of their gymnasiums as a money driven animal that is out of control. Many clubs are funded out of the pockets of volunteers and whilst those on the outside looking in see great success on the international stage, those in amateur clubs see money as the ruination of our sport.

[JMac]

Interesting, thanks for the reply. :)

[ABC BOXING]

Dictotor deside to let ENGLAND by in
http://womenboxing.com/NEWS2013/news090513aibanews.htm

[Tarquin Tarpaulin V]

Although Vaseline is not allowed in British amateur rings I think we may need some...........

[ABC BOXING]

AMEN WITH SOME CASH ALWAYS WORKS lol