Muhammad Ali '1980'

[gilgamesh]

Ali beat Frazier 2 out of 3 times, he was still Heavyweight Champion of the World 6 years after Joe Frazier lost the title. He's the better fighter, and he got the better of their trilogy.

I'm a bigger fan of Frazier too, between he and Ali I very much prefer to watch Frazier fight over Ali, but credit must be given where it's due. Ali was the better man 2 out of 3 times and is rightfully remembered as the better man.

"Better man"?

Bullshit.

Better fighter, whatever. You should've known I meant that. I'm a Joe Frazier fan, much more so than Ali. I have the utmost respect for Joe, but I'm not going to cut down Ali and his accomplishments just because of that though.

Credit where credit is due.

[dberry]

Not to go off in another direction.

1971.......Joe Frazier was the better 'fighter' and Muhammad Ali was the better 'boxer' for 9-Rounds.

1974......Muhammad Ali was the better 'boxer and holder', while Joe Frazier was the better 'fighter'.

1975......Muhammad Ali was better 'boxer and fighter', while Joe Frazier was 'badly faded' in skills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lefr0Frztv0

[gilgamesh]

Your very rational in how you respond and post unlike some haters on this forum Il Duce, but you are a hardcore Ali hater obviously. You slander him and put him down 100 times for every 1 compliment you give him.

[gilgamesh]

Mr. G-Mesh,

Where have I posted any 'I hate Muhammad Ali' statements.

I have backed up nearly everything with 'factual' reported documentation.

Now, about 1980 for Muhammad Ali...........

Was it really about trying to perform well in the Ring again, or was it about trying
to 'dupe' the public into buying a 'charade' so that Mr. Ali could reap in 'millions' of dollars.

You've never said "I hate Muhammad Ali" directly, but clearly 95% of what you post about him is meant to put him down in some way.

Larry Holmes got $100,000 and donated it to a Easton Boys Club

Muhammad Ali got $250,000 and was shopping for a Rolls Royce.

Implication: Holmes was a good-hearted charitable guy. Ali wanted nice things for himself because he was a selfish dick.

Ali acted like a clown at the LeDoux-Holmes fight, and embarrassed himself.

"In some of Muhammad Ali's early 1980 'gym sessions' {February/March 1980} in
Miami Beach, he got beat up by '8-Bout Professional' - Jeff Sims."

Clearly, you're reveling in these things. Everyone knows Ali was shot to sh*t in 1980, but you basically want to put more focus on Ali in 1980 and 1981 than you do on everything he accomplished in the 60's and 70's. It's easy to see through the mask frankly.

I don't know why you dislike Ali so intensely, or what the cause of it is, but clearly it's something.

[gilgamesh]

If you mentioned Ali in the 60's you'd be more likely to talk about his avoiding the draft, rather than any of his in-ring accomplishments.

[gilgamesh]

Mr. G-Mesh,

Fair assessment.

I respect your opinion and honest views.

I think we all know the many good things that Muhammad Ali did as a United States citizen.

You're definitely the most respectful hater (to other posters) I've ever seen on this forum Il Duce, I'll give you that

[dberry]

I don't know if Il Duce is a hater, he may not be a fan of Ali's, and I get that, but he isn't savagely attacking him. I have to say, I like the way the Il Duce tries to keep things objective and factual when posting these insights. Ali's draft doging, which I fully understand Ali's position, was an integral part of his career, as things turned out.

[gilgamesh]

I don't know if Il Duce is a hater, he may not be a fan of Ali's, and I get that, but he isn't savagely attacking him. I have to say, I like the way the Il Duce tries to keep things objective and factual when posting these insights. Ali's draft doging, which I fully understand Ali's position, was an integral part of his career, as things turned out.

I think he is when it comes to Ali, but he's very sly about it. Like I said he's definitely the most respectful hater I've ever seen towards the other posters though. A rare trait indeed. So rare, I'm not sure I've ever seen it before.

[gilgamesh]

August 1980,

'MUHAMMAD ALI LOSING WEIGHT FAST, ATTEMPTING TO GET IN SHAPE'

Trainer Angelo Dundee is pleased about the way his fighter has been losing weight, in attempt
to get down to 220 lbs.

Mr. Dundee said that he wanted Muhammad Ali to come at his lightest weight in years, to
improve his speed and quickness when he challenges WBC Champion - Larry Holmes.

The 'quick-witted' Trainer said that the key to beating Larry Holmes will be to out-quick him,
not out-slug him. 'Double-and-Triple' jabs, and then set Holmes up for the right-hand counter
will win this fight for the 38 year-old former Champion.

Kevin Kleven, the Physical Therapist for Champion - Larry Holmes, said that Muhammad Ali is
losing weight too fast, and at his current pace he will not have anything left when he enters the
ring against his fighter.

Mr. Kleven added, 'It doesn't matter what Muhammad weighs. He is coming down from a bloated
260 lbs., and he should be dropping weight at steady intervals. Not this quick 'fast-diet', just so he looks
good when he gets into the Ring.'.

Kleven was damn sure right about that...I'm not sure how much of it was the weight and how much of it was the age, but dropping from 260 to 220 in a very short timeframe certainly didn't help.