QUESTION FOR MODS

[loaded_gloves]

Every time I check in to BOTP the forum is littered with brand new Muhammad Ali spam threads by Il Duce.

This has been allowed to go on for months now, are the mods going to do anything? Am I overreacting?

This just seems to be nuisance trolling now, a man with apparently 24 hours a day on his hands to clutter up the forum with his Muhammad Ali obsession. Can we expect this to continue ad infinitum?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Every time I check in to BOTP the forum is littered with brand new Muhammad Ali spam threads by Il Duce.

This has been allowed to go on for months now, are the mods going to do anything? Am I overreacting?

This just seems to be nuisance trolling now, a man with apparently 24 hours a day on his hands to clutter up the forum with his Muhammad Ali obsession. Can we expect this to continue ad infinitum?

I think you're overreacting. Nobody is forcing you to open them up or for Klompton and Even to follow after him in every one of them.

[evrenb]

Who is even?

[Ezzard]

I agree with Saad.

Duce is not rude to anyone on here. If you don’t like them then don’t read them.

[loaded_gloves]

If it's not bothering anyone then I am overreacting. It just seems a nuisance. I don't bother opening them anymore but there is a high volume of them taking up space where intelligent boxing discourse could be taking place.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I rarely open them either. Honestly, before the battles with those guys he wasn't posting on Ali as much as other fighters. Either way, no reason for him to get banned or stopped. Not anymore than there was when people were complaining about all the Mythical Match ups. This forum has been dead for quite some time. Lots of threads = to me.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Who is even?

My apologies, evren.

[evrenb]

Who is even?

My apologies, evren.

Cool :-)

[Dart340]

Look, it's pretty clear Il Duce believes Clay/Ali's career was more hype and scripted more than the average person here, but I'm more annoyed with the constant oppositional responses on each and every one of his threads by Klompton- who should know better than to waste his time trying to change Duce's opinion- and funsobanjobaby, who is clearly trolling and has nothing to offer but juvenile insults.

Folks here should be smarter than to click on those threads since they already know what's going to be on them. They are never obnoxious or inappropriate in and of themselves. Saad On The Deck is on the money here.

[yancey]

I agree with Saad.

Duce is not rude to anyone on here. If you don’t like them then don’t read them.

x3

[BoxBuzz]

As long as he is espousing an alternative opinion....I see nothing more than just that..."unusual opinions" For the record, I don't find myself in opposition to every claim he makes...nor do I feel Klompton does either...though Klompton is vigilant in responding to the information presented by Il Duce as "facts" when perhaps it is truly better presented as an "opinion".

I am not ignoring this issue, nor am I going to over react.

I have followed up with Il Duce in a respectful manner reminding him simply to observe the rules of the board. We do need to sort out opinion from info presented as facts.

I appeal to all not to escalate this unless it is direct opposition to our rules.

Hatespeech is out of bounds
Expressed racism is out of bounds

Critical opinion of controversial personalities such as some of the most famous boxers in history is not out of bounds. Even if we find what we read to be utterly incredulous. Or if this is a knock on a fighter who we FEEL is worthy of better press.

Flights of fictional fancy based on an alternative past/future accounting are also not out of bounds.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Odd that people who don't offer up threads of their own are so concerned with people that do. Klompton posts more about Il Duce than anything else.

[BoxBuzz]

I recall reading here for nearly a year before I offered up my first contribution. Some wish I would have gone right on just reading. lol.

[klompton]

Hey, people can get irritated that Im setting the record straight but Im going to continue to point out when Il Duce is lying or when he gets the facts wrong, or twists them to his agenda. Some people, who should know better, find him entertaining and informative. I find that scary. If his outright lies are being taken as "informative" then that needs to be addressed. One of the reasons why I enjoy this forum, and why I keep my typically abrasive tone to a medium here is because this forum is actually populated for the most part by intelligent people who value historical fact. I consider what Il Duce is willfully doing as a poison to informed academic debate. Well informed people will ignore him and write him off, less well informed people will find him humorous and ridiculous. Newbies who come here to learn might take what he says as fact if no one pointed out his lies and errors. If you think I enjoy constantly having to debate a fighter that Im not a particular fan of myself you are wrong. But right is right and lying, outright lying as he does to suit his nutso agenda should be a bannable offense IMO. Lesser forums have done it to him more than once. I think a warning at least would be necessary. He knows exactly what he is doing. Its not like hes posting this garbage out of ignorance. But, hey, its not my forum. But as long as he lies and the mods keep him on I will confront him, correct him, and point out his faults so that others know how wacko and distorted his posts are. If the mods want to ban me for that rather than him then Id rather be banned for telling the truth and sticking up for it than for lying my a$$ off.

[klompton]

Odd that people who don't offer up threads of their own are so concerned with people that do. Klompton posts more about Il Duce than anything else.

I didnt realize starting a thread was a requirement of being a member of this forum. In my two threads on lost fight films and discovered rare footage Ive posted more informative and unseen/unknown/unresearched information than Il Duce ever has cobbled together from his use of google news and his fertile imagination. if the board values that garbage more then I can name several others that have banned him that would appreciate factual content above fictional character assassination where people like myself can go and leave this forum to be dragged down by a guy that previously lesser forums have seen for what he is.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Odd that people who don't offer up threads of their own are so concerned with people that do. Klompton posts more about Il Duce than anything else.

I didnt realize starting a thread was a requirement of being a member of this forum. In my two threads on lost fight films and discovered rare footage Ive posted more informative and unseen/unknown/unresearched information than Il Duce ever has cobbled together from his use of google news and his fertile imagination. if the board values that garbage more then I can name several others that have banned him that would appreciate factual content above fictional character assassination where people like myself can go and leave this forum to be dragged down by a guy that previously lesser forums have seen for what he is.

I never said it was a requirement to post here. I don't start many either. Unlike you, I don't bitch and whine when other people do. I'm not a Duce fan, I ignore him. You could easily do the same. I was more bothered when you were complaining about Vladimir's stream of mythical fights. The only reason I could see was that you had to dig up your inane battles with Il Duce.

I've read your informative threads. I'd rather see more of them. In spite of you being an asshole, I'm still going to buy your book.

If you don't like it here.

[BoxBuzz]

Klompton...the only point you may make that resonates for me, is that it is possible people could buy such lies hook line and sinker. Question one might ask is, who's responsibility is it to get it right?

You are a journalist...I get your perspective. You want the record straight.

But a liar tests our ability to keep an open mind, while questioning...and verifying the facts.

Otherwise we are just lazy. Not to say I don't appreciate your engaging with him, I do. But lies often times fall from their own weight. And yes it pushes my buttons, but I see Saad just looking at the nonsense and laughing it off...as I often do.

I do feel for the folks who are by default gullible. I don't know that I am here to protect them as such.

Good debate though...I like the give and take.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Klompton...the only point you may make that resonates for me, is that it is possible people could buy such lies hook line and sinker. Question one might ask is, who's responsibility is it to get it right?

You are a journalist...I get your perspective. You want the record straight.

But a liar tests our ability to keep an open mind, while questioning...and verifying the facts.

Otherwise we are just lazy. Not to say I don't appreciate your engaging with him, I do. But lies often times fall from their own weight. And yes it pushes my buttons, but I see Saad just looking at the nonsense and laughing it off...as I often do.

I do feel for the folks who are by default gullible. I don't know that I am here to protect them as such.

Good debate though...I like the give and take.

For the record, I have no issue with him setting the record straight. My God, I'm in CS with the guys saying that Floyd has never fought a meaningful opponent. I have an issue that this particular forum is actually jumping and people are complaining about the volume. Why is someone offended by Johnston vs Nazarov? Are dozens of discussions being pushed aside? New(long time returning) contributors are great, especially those that know what they're talking about. I'd just think that they may take into consideration that there were times when this page didn't budge, it is now and that's great.

Put that knowledge to better use and tell me some more about Wesley Mouzon.

[fatcity69]

They do annoy me. There is a fine line between posting a lot of threads and posting spam just with the aim of spreading hate and misinformation. Il Duce is clever enough to steer himself away from insulting people outright, he just lets his hate come out in his ramblings about Ali.
Il Duce is the reason why I seldom come here anymore, I don't mind banter with people who hold different viewpoints to me but Im too old now and lifes too short to wade through the type of crud that Il Duce is spewing. Yes I can ignore his posts and will do in the future, but the problem is that posters like him put off genuine posters who would otherwise be creating genuinely interesting boxing threads. Doesn't anyone wonder why this forum is so dead? I was a regular poster as far back as 2000 and to see the decline of this forum due to trolls like Il Duce is sad. Time for some of the mods here to decide do you want to be a relevant boxing forum for intelligent boxing discussion or are you simply handing over the keys to the trolls and nutcases. At the moment the loonies are running the asylum I'm afraid.

[fatcity69]

As long as he is espousing an alternative opinion....I see nothing more than just that..."unusual opinions" For the record, I don't find myself in opposition to every claim he makes...nor do I feel Klompton does either...though Klompton is vigilant in responding to the information presented by Il Duce as "facts" when perhaps it is truly better presented as an "opinion".

I am not ignoring this issue, nor am I going to over react.

I have followed up with Il Duce in a respectful manner reminding him simply to observe the rules of the board. We do need to sort out opinion from info presented as facts.

I appeal to all not to escalate this unless it is direct opposition to our rules.

Hatespeech is out of bounds
Expressed racism is out of bounds

Critical opinion of controversial personalities such as some of the most famous boxers in history is not out of bounds. Even if we find what we read to be utterly incredulous. Or if this is a knock on a fighter who we FEEL is worthy of better press.

Flights of fictional fancy based on an alternative past/future accounting are also not out of bounds.

You mean to say that you cannot see the hate and racism behind Il Duces ramblings?. I find that extraordinary. I also find it rather disturbing that some people seem more annoyed by people pointing out what Duce is doing than by Duce himself and can only surmise from this that he has the approval of some in this forum. The truth is some people love to see Ali bashed even if it is by someone who seems to have come right out of 'One Flew over the Cukoos nest'.

[fatcity69]

Klompton...the only point you may make that resonates for me, is that it is possible people could buy such lies hook line and sinker. Question one might ask is, who's responsibility is it to get it right?

You are a journalist...I get your perspective. You want the record straight.

But a liar tests our ability to keep an open mind, while questioning...and verifying the facts.

Otherwise we are just lazy. Not to say I don't appreciate your engaging with him, I do. But lies often times fall from their own weight. And yes it pushes my buttons, but I see Saad just looking at the nonsense and laughing it off...as I often do.

I do feel for the folks who are by default gullible. I don't know that I am here to protect them as such.

Good debate though...I like the give and take.

You tread a fine line if you give free reign to people who spout untruths. Just look at the state of the world we are in at the moment! how much of this chaos is down to the untruths preached by who knows how many people. It is not so much the untruths that bother me so deeply, it is the hatred behind it, the racism and hatred which is the motive behind the untruths. Ofcourse I can just walk away, im lucky enough to have plenty of other things to do, but part of me is outraged by the way this forum is being dragged down and I feel I owe it to the past to at least point out how I feel and try to appeal to the few in here who still have a back bone and no axe to grind with Ali.

[Ezzard]

I've seen no racism.

People keep hinting at it but lets see some quotations...or something...

He thinks Ali is overrated. He thinks Ali's personal motives have been sugar coated by history. That's it.

[fatcity69]

I've seen no racism.

People keep hinting at it but lets see some quotations...or something...

He thinks Ali is overrated. He thinks Ali's personal motives have been sugar coated by history. That's it.

Well he doesn't just come out and say racist comments, but his whole threads on Ali are motivated by racial hatred. Can you really not see it? or perhaps Ali is just fair game eh?...

[evrenb]

I am not responding to him anymore...fallen into that trap enough....

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I've seen no racism.

People keep hinting at it but lets see some quotations...or something...

He thinks Ali is overrated. He thinks Ali's personal motives have been sugar coated by history. That's it.

Well he doesn't just come out and say racist comments, but his whole threads on Ali are motivated by racial hatred. Can you really not see it? or perhaps Ali is just fair game eh?...

Sounds like you're all caught up in his web. He doesn't say anything racist, but deep down you know that he is? That's mad.