Il Duce- Please give me your top ten heavyweights in order

[man]

Il Duce's a harmless old fella.

not for you apparently ... you guys spend and
awful lot of time with him ... almost an obsession,
i'd say ...

[klompton]

[ThatOne]

Il Duce's a harmless old fella.

not for you apparently ... you guys spend and
awful lot of time with him ... almost an obsession,
i'd say ...

He helps me kill time.

[ThatOne]

[keithmoonhangover]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K33CUXqPknM

Il Duce. Did you watch this?

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Let me guess..... you don't believe it.[/quote]

[man]

he was some painter indeed.

[macaca]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K33CUXqPknM

Il Duce. Did you watch this?

Skip to 9:21.

Let me guess..... you don't believe it.

[/quote]

Tunney did well to get up even after "14 seconds" after those 4 pretty clean heavy shots

[klompton]

Ali and Nixon


Ali and the pope


Ali and Dr. King


Ali with Mandela


Ali with the Dahli Lama

[klompton]

he was some painter indeed.

Beautiful isnt it? Sad story though. One of my favorite films is Vincent and Theo. I highly recommend it.

[man]

Beautiful isnt it? Sad story though. One of my favorite films is Vincent and Theo. I highly recommend it.

i just realize that i can now look at van gogh
and see his paintings - not only the tragic
beauty of his life ... will check out the film.
i used to avoid him for quite a while ...

[keithmoonhangover]

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Il Duce. Did you watch this?

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[/quote]

You not watching this Il Duce?

[man]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5SJk3YP7eA

very good indeed.

[keithmoonhangover]

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Yes,,,,,,I took a peak.........Jack Dempsey was 'awesome baby'

Destroys Cassius Clay in 2-Rounds, maybe even in 1-Round.

And Muhammad Ali,,,,,,,,,Jack tortures and humiliates him with a brutal onslaught that Ali has never seen before.[/quote]

What did you think of Jess Willard's theory of how Jack beat him? You know, the thing in the video that has nothing what-so-ever to do with Ali/Clay

[klompton]

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Il Duce. Did you watch this?

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Let me guess..... you don't believe it.

You not watching this Il Duce?

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Yes,,,,,,I took a peak.........Jack Dempsey was 'awesome baby'

Destroys Cassius Clay in 2-Rounds, maybe even in 1-Round {Remember - Kent Green}

And Muhammad Ali,,,,,,,,,Jack tortures and humiliates him with a brutal onslaught
that Ali has never seen before, with the bout being stopped by a TKO 10. {Remember - Larry Holmes}[/quote]

except ali was big, black, and good. dempsey would have ducked him.

[keithmoonhangover]

Are you referring to the Pipe Wrench that Jack brought into the Ring with him..........

Back then,,,,,,,,,,,anything goes.........

Do you think Dempsey cheated?

[keithmoonhangover]

Are you referring to the Pipe Wrench that Jack brought into the Ring with him..........

Back then,,,,,,,,,,,anything goes.........

Do you think Dempsey cheated?

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Keith,,,,

Everybody Cheats..........

We all lie about how much we weigh.
We all lie about how much we make.
We all lie about how much we get laid.

Did Jack Cheat...........That's a good title for a new thread....

Do you think Dempsey cheated?

[evrenb]

Are you referring to the Pipe Wrench that Jack brought into the Ring with him..........

Back then,,,,,,,,,,,anything goes.........

Do you think Dempsey cheated?

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Keith,,,,

Everybody Cheats..........

We all lie about how much we weigh.
We all lie about how much we make.
We all lie about how much we get laid.

You lie about Ali

[keithmoonhangover]

Keith,,,,

On Jack,,,,,,,,I think he did everything he could do to win by a 1st-Round Knockout.

Wasn't there a 'big bet' made by Dempsey's Camp on a 1st-Round Knockout.

As for the 'Plaster Claster', you'll have to ask Cynthia on that one.

I'm asking you..... Do YOU think Jack cheated?

[keithmoonhangover]

I don't know..........

I never researched that issue thoroughly.

It was a 'mute point' to me.

He won, and that's all that matters.

Jess Willard never asked for a rematch.

Dempsey ducked the rematch. Much like he ducked the rematch with Firpo. He only rematched Tunney because he got beat.

[ThatOne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K33CUXqPknM

Il Duce. Did you watch this?

Skip to 9:21.

Let me guess..... you don't believe it.

You not watching this Il Duce?

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Yes,,,,,,I took a peak.........Jack Dempsey was 'awesome baby'

Destroys Cassius Clay in 2-Rounds, maybe even in 1-Round {Remember - Kent Green}

And Muhammad Ali,,,,,,,,,Jack tortures and humiliates him with a brutal onslaught
that Ali has never seen before, with the bout being stopped by a TKO 10. {Remember - Larry Holmes}[/quote]



Il Duce . I give the Manassas Mauler more credit than you. I think there are a few black champions that the Mauler could have beat who weren't thirty eight years old, two years into retirement, and showing the early symptoms of Parkinson's Disease.

For instance I think if the Mauler caught Shannon Briggs on a off night he could steal a majority decision over him.

[klompton]

its hardly comparable. on the one hand you have a green, pre title ali pursuing a match with bob cleroux (who was better than chuvalo) over chuvalo. ali did in fact fight chuvalo twice and won handily both times. on the other hand you have jack dempsry avoiding his top two contenders for the entire duration of his seven yr reign while choosing to face clearly lesser fighters, a dying man, three lhws, and a clumsy strongman mefia creation built up specifically as a foil for dempsey. if ali had a reign as pathetic as dempsey you would actually have something to complain about.

[keithmoonhangover]

Wrong,

Jess Willard went back to his farm......and required many months to heal from the beating.

There was no rematch agreement, though Jack offered him one as a courtesy.

Also, it was Jess Willard who avoided Jack for 2+ Years.

Jess Willard was asked what did Dempsey's fists feel like.

Jess replied, 'Like cement'.

That is where the Plaster of Paris argument came in........

Firpo?

[ThatOne]

Ali and Nixon


Ali and the pope


Ali and Dr. King


Ali with Mandela


Ali with the Dahli Lama

That makes seven U S presidents-in perfect chronological order.

[klompton]

Wrong,

Jess Willard went back to his farm......and required many months to heal from the beating.

There was no rematch agreement, though Jack offered him one as a courtesy.

Also, it was Jess Willard who avoided Jack for 2+ Years.

Jess Willard was asked what did Dempsey's fists feel like.

Jess replied, 'Like cement'.

That is where the Plaster of Paris argument came in........

once again you show your ignorance. jess chased a rematch with jack for yrs. dempsey didnt duck it though, that much is true. he actively sought to fight willard viewing it as an easy fight. luckily the authorities prevented it based on willards age, condition, and the result of the first bout.

the plaster of paris story didnt come from jess. douche cant open his mouth without spewing nonsense. it came from the fact that jimmy deforrest, jacks trainer, claimed to have used a special tape binding dempseys hands which hardened over time.

[ThatOne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K33CUXqPknM

Il Duce. Did you watch this?

Skip to 9:21.

Let me guess..... you don't believe it.

You not watching this Il Duce?

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Yes,,,,,,I took a peak.........Jack Dempsey was 'awesome baby'

Destroys Cassius Clay in 2-Rounds, maybe even in 1-Round {Remember - Kent Green}

And Muhammad Ali,,,,,,,,,Jack tortures and humiliates him with a brutal onslaught
that Ali has never seen before, with the bout being stopped by a TKO 10. {Remember - Larry Holmes}[/quote]


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Kent Green-LOL

Ali was like 176-2 as an amateur. Marciano was like 4-5 LOL