Obviously that means, who among fighters not already inducted. Actually, perhaps not the most deserving but the first name I thought of is Rocky Lockridge. Excellent fighter who fought the best fighters around and was on the wrong end of bad decisions (in my opinion) against Eusebio Pedroza, Wilfredo Gomez, and Julio Cesar Chavez (one judge had it a draw, I had it Lockridge by 2, and no I wasen't on drugs at the time) The first fight with Tony Lopez could have gone either way as well. In addition he beat Cornelius Boza-Edwards, handed Roger Mayweather his first ever defeat via a first round knockout, and was stopped only once in 53 fights.
Also, I'd add Brian Mitchell for his 13 successful title defenses, and the fact that he avenged his one loss and 3 draws.
Who Belongs In The Hall Of Fame ?
I feel it's a crime that Holman Williams, Cocoa Kid and Lloyd Marshall have not been inducted yet. They fought the very best around in their weightdivisions during the 1930-40s, often several times over.
Willams fought at welter and middle. Among his opponents were Charley Burley, the aforementioned Marshall and Cocoa Kid, Archie Moore, Jake La Motta and Mardel Cerdan. The first three of those mentioned he fought several times each.
Lloyd Marshall fought at 160 and 175 in between 1939-51, against such legendary names as Burley, Ezzard Charles, Jimmy Bivins, La Motta, Moore, Joey Maxim, Freddie Mills and Bobo Olson.
Cocoa Kid fought at lightweight, welter and middleweight. His opponets included Moore, Burley, Williams, Chalky Wright, Battling Battalino and Lou Ambers.
Now look at who the Hall inducted over these guys this year?! It's a crime, nothing less!
-KOKid-
Willams fought at welter and middle. Among his opponents were Charley Burley, the aforementioned Marshall and Cocoa Kid, Archie Moore, Jake La Motta and Mardel Cerdan. The first three of those mentioned he fought several times each.
Lloyd Marshall fought at 160 and 175 in between 1939-51, against such legendary names as Burley, Ezzard Charles, Jimmy Bivins, La Motta, Moore, Joey Maxim, Freddie Mills and Bobo Olson.
Cocoa Kid fought at lightweight, welter and middleweight. His opponets included Moore, Burley, Williams, Chalky Wright, Battling Battalino and Lou Ambers.
Now look at who the Hall inducted over these guys this year?! It's a crime, nothing less!
-KOKid-
Some other fighters who I believe belong in the Hall of Fame are.
1. Mike O'Dowd. Middleweight Champion who defeated 4 Hall of Famers, Ted "Kid" Lewis 4 times, Mike Gibbons twice, and Harry Greb and Jack Britton once. O'Dowd also defeated Al McCoy twice and Jeff Smith once. Ko'd once in 117 fights in his second to last fight.
2. Newsboy Brown. Flyweight Champion. Defeated Hall of Famers Frankie Genaro (twice) Midget Wolgast, Panama Al Brown, Baby Arizmendi and Chalky Wright. Only KO'd once in his 86th and last fight.
3. Santos Laciar. World Champion at Flyweight and Super Flyweight. 12-3-1 with 8 ko's in World Title bouts. Never stopped in 101 fights.
4. Jung Koo Chang. World Champion at Light Flyweight for over 6 and a half years. Defended it successfully in 15 straight bouts.
5. Myung Woo Yuh. World Champion at Light Flyweight. Held Title for 6 years, then lost it in the only defeat of his career. He then regained and defended it once before retiring as World Champion. 20-1 with 10 Ko's in World Title fights.
6. Michael Carbajal. World Light Flyweight Champion. 15-3 with 10 Ko's in Title bouts. All 3 losses were by split or majority decision.
1. Mike O'Dowd. Middleweight Champion who defeated 4 Hall of Famers, Ted "Kid" Lewis 4 times, Mike Gibbons twice, and Harry Greb and Jack Britton once. O'Dowd also defeated Al McCoy twice and Jeff Smith once. Ko'd once in 117 fights in his second to last fight.
2. Newsboy Brown. Flyweight Champion. Defeated Hall of Famers Frankie Genaro (twice) Midget Wolgast, Panama Al Brown, Baby Arizmendi and Chalky Wright. Only KO'd once in his 86th and last fight.
3. Santos Laciar. World Champion at Flyweight and Super Flyweight. 12-3-1 with 8 ko's in World Title bouts. Never stopped in 101 fights.
4. Jung Koo Chang. World Champion at Light Flyweight for over 6 and a half years. Defended it successfully in 15 straight bouts.
5. Myung Woo Yuh. World Champion at Light Flyweight. Held Title for 6 years, then lost it in the only defeat of his career. He then regained and defended it once before retiring as World Champion. 20-1 with 10 Ko's in World Title fights.
6. Michael Carbajal. World Light Flyweight Champion. 15-3 with 10 Ko's in Title bouts. All 3 losses were by split or majority decision.
most "Feared and Cheated" All-time Greats!
Your RIGHT it is a #@%*ing CRIME, nothing less.
Everybody is so STUCK on "acheivements", you know World Champions and the like, OK in 'many' cases Great fighter fits, BUT for God's sake IF a fighter was BLATANTLY "avoided, ducked, denied, CHEATED, How the @&*# is he to reach his "highest" acheivement???
The only solution is an All-time "most Feared" and/or "Cheated" fighters List!!!
Everybody is so STUCK on "acheivements", you know World Champions and the like, OK in 'many' cases Great fighter fits, BUT for God's sake IF a fighter was BLATANTLY "avoided, ducked, denied, CHEATED, How the @&*# is he to reach his "highest" acheivement???
The only solution is an All-time "most Feared" and/or "Cheated" fighters List!!!
Other People Who Belong In the IBHOF
Larry Foley- Who was the father of boxing in Australia.
To me, it is an absolute crime that this man, an important figure
in the early days of boxing under the Marquis of Queensberry
Rules isn't in the World Boxing Hall of Fame or the International
Boxing Hall of Fame. Think of how important Australia was
in the boxing world from the 1880s to 1920.
Tom McCarey- The man who put Los Angeles on the map
as an important boxing center and was the first great
boxing promoter in the Los Angeles area.
Joe Waterman- Who was one of the great boxing men of
his day during the era from the 1910s to the late 1920s.
While in the U.S. Navy, he was instrumental in the rapid
start of professional boxing in the Philippines. After
getting out of the U.S. Navy about 1920, Waterman
managed some well-known boxers, including Bud
Ridley and Doc Snell. He would go on to be a
promoter and matchmaker in Portland, Tacoma,
Seattle, and Los Angeles. Think of this.....Waterman
played a very important and unheralded part in
the careers of Freddie Steele and Henry Armstrong.
Yet he is almost forgotten today.
Jimmy Fitten- Who was the father of boxing in Mexico.
Think of the staggering number of world-class fighters
coming out of Mexico during the last seventy years.
In fact, think about the southwestern part of the
United States. As the result of fans and boxers of
Mexican descent, boxing is going to exist in the
United States and Mexico long for many decades in
the future.
Frank Churchill- Who was the father of professional
boxing in the Philippines. Think of the incrediable
impact the Filipino boxers made on the world of boxing
during the 1920s and 1930s. Churchill was a boxing
promoter in the Philippines who was staging the
first full-fledged professional boxing shows there.
He also managed many of the first world-class
Filipino boxers for about two decades after World
War I, including Dencio Cabanela, Pancho Villa,
Clever Sencio, Pete Sarmiento, Ignacio Fernandez,
and Speedy Dado.
Also remember that the Filipino boxers and Filipino
fans made a tremendous impact on boxing in both
Hawaii and the mainland of the United States.
Filipino boxers were regarded as tremendously
game and exciting. Read accounts of bouts of
Pete Sarmiento, Clever Sencio, Young Nationalista,
and Pancho Villa. It was said that Sarmiento was
the greatest action fighter when he was fighting
in the United States. Filipino fans constituted an
important fan base in both Hawaii and California
during the 1920s and 1930s.
- Chuck Johnston
To me, it is an absolute crime that this man, an important figure
in the early days of boxing under the Marquis of Queensberry
Rules isn't in the World Boxing Hall of Fame or the International
Boxing Hall of Fame. Think of how important Australia was
in the boxing world from the 1880s to 1920.
Tom McCarey- The man who put Los Angeles on the map
as an important boxing center and was the first great
boxing promoter in the Los Angeles area.
Joe Waterman- Who was one of the great boxing men of
his day during the era from the 1910s to the late 1920s.
While in the U.S. Navy, he was instrumental in the rapid
start of professional boxing in the Philippines. After
getting out of the U.S. Navy about 1920, Waterman
managed some well-known boxers, including Bud
Ridley and Doc Snell. He would go on to be a
promoter and matchmaker in Portland, Tacoma,
Seattle, and Los Angeles. Think of this.....Waterman
played a very important and unheralded part in
the careers of Freddie Steele and Henry Armstrong.
Yet he is almost forgotten today.
Jimmy Fitten- Who was the father of boxing in Mexico.
Think of the staggering number of world-class fighters
coming out of Mexico during the last seventy years.
In fact, think about the southwestern part of the
United States. As the result of fans and boxers of
Mexican descent, boxing is going to exist in the
United States and Mexico long for many decades in
the future.
Frank Churchill- Who was the father of professional
boxing in the Philippines. Think of the incrediable
impact the Filipino boxers made on the world of boxing
during the 1920s and 1930s. Churchill was a boxing
promoter in the Philippines who was staging the
first full-fledged professional boxing shows there.
He also managed many of the first world-class
Filipino boxers for about two decades after World
War I, including Dencio Cabanela, Pancho Villa,
Clever Sencio, Pete Sarmiento, Ignacio Fernandez,
and Speedy Dado.
Also remember that the Filipino boxers and Filipino
fans made a tremendous impact on boxing in both
Hawaii and the mainland of the United States.
Filipino boxers were regarded as tremendously
game and exciting. Read accounts of bouts of
Pete Sarmiento, Clever Sencio, Young Nationalista,
and Pancho Villa. It was said that Sarmiento was
the greatest action fighter when he was fighting
in the United States. Filipino fans constituted an
important fan base in both Hawaii and California
during the 1920s and 1930s.
- Chuck Johnston
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Compared to some that are already in the Hall, these guys should have been a lock (I’m not listing some that has already been mentioned):
Charley White
Leo Lomski
Billy Miske
Leo Houck
Teddy Yarosz
Al Gainer
Leach Cross
Kid Carter
Lou Brouillard
Gorilla Jones
Holman Williams
Gunboat Smith
Kid Norfolk
There are many oversea fighters that seem to be overlooked on a constant basis as well…
Len Harvey
Jock McAvoy
Charley White
Leo Lomski
Billy Miske
Leo Houck
Teddy Yarosz
Al Gainer
Leach Cross
Kid Carter
Lou Brouillard
Gorilla Jones
Holman Williams
Gunboat Smith
Kid Norfolk
There are many oversea fighters that seem to be overlooked on a constant basis as well…
Len Harvey
Jock McAvoy
He is. He was inducted in 2001. I dont think he deserves it though. Besides upsetting Robinson, what did he really accomplish to get into the hall? He was middle weight champion for only two months and beat only four other really good fighters. Olsen, another underwhelming Hall entraint and frequent Robinson punching bag, was the only other fighter of note he fought and was beaten decisivily by him.I'm surprised that Turpin is not in the Hall, I thought he was!
Of all the fighters you mentioned only Cryille Delannoit, Tommy Yarosz and Don Cockell were top ten contenders. Dont get me wrong, i think Turpin was a very good fighter, beating Robinson was a great accomplishment. But I dont think there was enough true greatness in his career to warrent Hall of fame status. There are alot of others in the hall that fall under this catagory to like Jose Torres, willie Pastrano,Lew Jenkins and a host of others.Vince Hawkins
Albert Finch
Jean Stock
Cyrille Delannoit
Pete Mead
Tommy Yarosz
Luc van Dam
Alex Buxton
Jacques Hairabedian
Don Cockell
Walter Cartier
Charles Humez
All of these guys very good fighters that Turpin beat!
As pointed out by Barry, Turpin beat a lot of very good fighters and besides that I think beating a near peak Robinson gives Randolph a post in the hall of fame by itself... and forget the talk that Randy only won because Ray was out of shape because he gave Sugar just as hard a time in their second bout till Ray pulled it out the bag.
Robinson actually said after he retired that Turpin was the strongest and most technically difficult of all the fighters he fought!.
Turpin was ambidextrous, which was meant that he was just as dangerous with either hand and he had a style which was very hard to contain. Randys later defeats to Olsen etc were caused by out of the ring troubles that affected his training and a bad eye problem.
Robinson actually said after he retired that Turpin was the strongest and most technically difficult of all the fighters he fought!.
Turpin was ambidextrous, which was meant that he was just as dangerous with either hand and he had a style which was very hard to contain. Randys later defeats to Olsen etc were caused by out of the ring troubles that affected his training and a bad eye problem.
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>>>Of all the fighters you mentioned only Cryille Delannoit, Tommy Yarosz and Don Cockell were top ten contenders<<<
See, now you have no idea of what your talking about, which is not meant as an insult. Turpin fought several fighters who were top ten ranked!
Vince Hawkins---Ranked 2nd
Albert Finch --- Ranked 8th
Jean Stock ---Ranked 17th
Cyrille Delannoit---Ranked 2nd
Pete Mead
Tommy Yarosz---Ranked 2nd
Luc van Dam---Ranked 12th
Alex Buxton
Jacques Hairabedian---Ranked 9th
Don Cockell---Ranked 2nd
Walter Cartier---Ranked 2nd
Charles Humez---Ranked 1st
Of the fighters that I mentioned only two were never ranked by Ring, but both Buxton and Mead were very good fighters and I'm sure if I wanted to check there are more top ten rated fighters that Turpin beat, I just listed the best!
And remember being ranked number two, or ten back then meant a hell of a lot more than being ranked number two and ten today and it most certainly held more weight in that time.
See, now you have no idea of what your talking about, which is not meant as an insult. Turpin fought several fighters who were top ten ranked!
Vince Hawkins---Ranked 2nd
Albert Finch --- Ranked 8th
Jean Stock ---Ranked 17th
Cyrille Delannoit---Ranked 2nd
Pete Mead
Tommy Yarosz---Ranked 2nd
Luc van Dam---Ranked 12th
Alex Buxton
Jacques Hairabedian---Ranked 9th
Don Cockell---Ranked 2nd
Walter Cartier---Ranked 2nd
Charles Humez---Ranked 1st
Of the fighters that I mentioned only two were never ranked by Ring, but both Buxton and Mead were very good fighters and I'm sure if I wanted to check there are more top ten rated fighters that Turpin beat, I just listed the best!
And remember being ranked number two, or ten back then meant a hell of a lot more than being ranked number two and ten today and it most certainly held more weight in that time.
Turpin also made an impact in the Lightheavyweight division when he was past his best but still able to beat a lot of the good fighters about. But the Turpin of his peak, especially ofcourse when he fought Robinson would have given any middleweight champion trouble I feel, I think on that form Turpin ranks in the top ten of the middleweight division... the sad thing about Randolph was that his peak was short but that shouldn't take away the fact that at his peak he was one of the best...
I think it is time for the "unknown fan" to be given credit. I will be happy to have my name etched with these great ones as a representative of boxing fans throughout the world. I do this not from any self endulgent egotistical aspect, but as a sacrifice that I am willing to make.
Someone's name and face should be cannonized to represent the viewer, the paid admissionist, the reader of the next day's result's, the men and women who place the bets, the squabblers and the engaged conversationalists and now of course the bloggers who keep the sport alive.
That person should be voted in to the hall of fame to stand perhaps in statue form, along side the great fighter's as representative of the partnership that pugilists have always had with their public.
Someone's name and face should be cannonized to represent the viewer, the paid admissionist, the reader of the next day's result's, the men and women who place the bets, the squabblers and the engaged conversationalists and now of course the bloggers who keep the sport alive.
That person should be voted in to the hall of fame to stand perhaps in statue form, along side the great fighter's as representative of the partnership that pugilists have always had with their public.
Dont know where you got your information but according to the offical ibohf record book only the three I mentioned were top ten rated guys when they fought Turpin. The guys you mentioned may have one time been ranked fighter but werent any real threats when they fought Turpin:See, now you have no idea of what your talking about, which is not meant as an insult. Turpin fought several fighters who were top ten ranked!
Vince Hawkins---was in the middle of losing 14 out of his last 19 fights when Turpin beat him. He was done as a serious fighter.
Albert Finch --- was not ranked according to my records but maybe thats because he was British champion. Redardless, he didnt have a very impressive career.
Jean Stock ---was 9-9-2 in last 20 bouts before fighting Turpin. was 6-6 afterwards. No big deal beating him.
Pete Mead---Lost the last 6 fights of his so-so career. Turin was the fifth straight lost of his final losing streak.
Luc van Dam---His career was all but done when he fought Turpin a year before he retired and it was his 13th loss, his sixth by ko.
Alex Buxton---Ther worse of the bunch. was 12-8 in the last 20 fights before fighting Turpin and then went 2-18-2 afterwards.
Jacques Hairabedian---An absolutely mediorce fighter who Turpin beat the way he was supposed to.
Walter Cartier---was in the middle of an 7-8-2 streak when he fought Turpin. He was so far gone that fourfights ealeir he was knocked out by light hitting WELTERWEIGHT grreat Kid Gavilan.
Charles Humez---Best of the list. Cant find his ranking but he had a very good record. Didnt really beat anyone of note however.
Not a list of wins to merit the hall of fame in my estimation.
should not be nearly enough to get him in. One fight should not a career make not matter how impressive. If he would have beaten Olsen, Mitiri and maybe a couple of other quality fighters, then maybe.Turpin beat a lot of very good fighters and besides that I think beating a near peak Robinson gives Randolph a post in the hall of fame by itself..
I have a Robinson interview with Curt Godey on tape that took place in the seventies, where he states that Lamotta was by far the physically strongest fighter he ever faced.Robinson actually said after he retired that Turpin was the strongest
what impact? He was 1-2 against the only good lightheavies he faced. Tko win over Cockell a loss to Hans Stretz by decision and by 2nd round ko toYolande Pompey.[/quote]Turpin also made an impact in the Lightheavyweight division when he was past his best but still able to beat a lot of the good fighters about.