Razor Ruddock vs David Tua. What If?

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 12 Nov 2005, 12:32

These two Heavyweight contenders could have easily met sometime in the late 1990's but it never happened. These were two big, strong contenders with huge left hooks. But who would have won if the Rudduck of the early 90's could have met the Tua of the late 90's?

Razor Ruddock.
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=001869

David Tua.
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=004343

Bombs away, fight fans!! But who will be left standing?

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 12 Nov 2005, 13:22

Tua by late stoppage.

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 12 Nov 2005, 18:17

Ruddock late stoppage. Tua has a good chin, but so does Ruddock as he took Tysons best, his jaw broke and still gave Tyson hell in both fights.

No man would be able to take Ruddock's best hook if he lands cleanly.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 12 Nov 2005, 18:51

RazorKO wrote:Ruddock late stoppage. Tua has a good chin, but so does Ruddock as he took Tysons best, his jaw broke and still gave Tyson hell in both fights.

No man would be able to take Ruddock's best hook if he lands cleanly.

hhaha no way ruddock stops tua. tua was the better fighter, and ruddock couldnt even knock out glass jaw morrison, what makes u think hell do it to granite jaw tua.

- tua was more aggresive, stronger, better puncher, more stamina, much better chin,

if ruddock tried to slug it out, he would lose. him and he can take ruddocks punches much better than ruddock can take his

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 12 Nov 2005, 18:53

RazorKO wrote:Ruddock late stoppage. Tua has a good chin, but so does Ruddock as he took Tysons best, his jaw broke and still gave Tyson hell in both fights.

No man would be able to take Ruddock's best hook if he lands cleanly.

thats a big IF, ruddock was not that good of a fighter. hes overated as a fighter. he was a very hard hitter, but i wouldnt rate him above the 80s alpha champs

bollox · Post by **bollox** » 12 Nov 2005, 18:54

Tua by KO - based purely on the strength of his jaw. And Ruddock's susceptibility to a good sock on his

hawaiianpunch · Post by **hawaiianpunch** » 12 Nov 2005, 20:47

Tua by KO. Difference is in the chins. Ruddock couldn't take a good punch (outside of Tyson) and Tua has Lead in his chin. Tua by KO5.

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 12 Nov 2005, 20:57

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
RazorKO wrote:Ruddock late stoppage. Tua has a good chin, but so does Ruddock as he took Tysons best, his jaw broke and still gave Tyson hell in both fights.

No man would be able to take Ruddock's best hook if he lands cleanly.

hhaha no way ruddock stops tua. tua was the better fighter, and ruddock couldnt even knock out glass jaw morrison, what makes u think hell do it to granite jaw tua.

- tua was more aggresive, stronger, better puncher, more stamina, much better chin,

if ruddock tried to slug it out, he would lose. him and he can take ruddocks punches much better than ruddock can take his

Ruddock was WAY WAY out of shape when he fought Morrison weighing in at around the 240 mark......AND HE STILL GAVE THE TOP RATED MORRISON HELL. We are talking about a prime Ruddock, the Ruddock that demolished Dokes or Bonecrusher. Dont forget the Ruddock that fought Morrison not only was overweight and out of shape, his brother and promoter had stolen his earnings and ran away with his money - Do you know the phycological effect that would of had on Ruddock? Especially as it was his own brother who took off with his money.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 12 Nov 2005, 21:11

Unless Razor Ruddock does something really stupid like presenting Tua a gift shot at his head, than he wins a clearcut decision. Tua has probably the best chin in the division of the last 20 years, but he's a terrible boxer who only get's lucky when his opponent draws him a map to his jaw.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 13 Nov 2005, 01:32

We are talking about a prime Ruddock, the Ruddock that demolished Dokes or Bonecrusher.

ruddock beat aa way past his prime drug addict dokes, and a old past his prime bonecrusher

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 13 Nov 2005, 03:00

u saw what morrison did to ruddock with left hook, imagine what tua would do to him

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 13 Nov 2005, 06:27

This would be similar to Ruddock -v- Tyson 1 & 2; that's 2 one dimensional sluggers, trading bombs until the other one wilts.

I'm going for Tua to win, based purely on Razor's shambolic showing against Lennox Lewis. Then again, Tua didn't perform much better against Lewis, it's just that Lewis was scared & didn't attack him more!

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 13 Nov 2005, 08:28

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:u saw what morrison did to ruddock with left hook, imagine what tua would do to him

Yea and Ruddock got up at the count of 1 and a half and was stopped contrverisially, I rate that stoppage just a notch below Weaver - Dokes as the worst stoppage in history.

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 13 Nov 2005, 08:30

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
We are talking about a prime Ruddock, the Ruddock that demolished Dokes or Bonecrusher.

ruddock beat aa way past his prime drug addict dokes, and a old past his prime bonecrusher

But this 'Drug addict Dokes' was still good enough to give a Prime Holyfield a fight of his life and he knocked out Bonecrusher which Tyson, Witherspoon, Bruno, Holmes - All good punches but failed to stop him. He knocked out Witherpsoon and Bruno instead.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 13 Nov 2005, 08:39

I'd go with Tua for the reasons mentioned. The Tua that fought Ike or Ruiz would have KO'd Razor. It's possible that Tua had a "sweet spot" of time, a very short prime if you will, where he was world class. He just seemed to have peaked quickly and then became journeyman material.

I don't see him returning to old form but I would be very happy if that happened.

ebeneezer · Post by **ebeneezer** » 13 Nov 2005, 10:38

RazorKO wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:u saw what morrison did to ruddock with left hook, imagine what tua would do to him

Yea and Ruddock got up at the count of 1 and a half and was stopped contrverisially, I rate that stoppage just a notch below Weaver - Dokes as the worst stoppage in history.

Razror was concussed from that punch.

Ron Lpton says that when he checked Ruddkock after that knockdown he that one of Ruddock`s pupils were dilated.

Morrison backed Ruddock into ropes and snapped his head back a few times. there was neck control and Lpton jumped in.

Worst stoppage ever my foot.

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 13 Nov 2005, 12:28

ebeneezer wrote:
RazorKO wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:u saw what morrison did to ruddock with left hook, imagine what tua would do to him

Yea and Ruddock got up at the count of 1 and a half and was stopped contrverisially, I rate that stoppage just a notch below Weaver - Dokes as the worst stoppage in history.
Razror was concussed from that punch.

Ron Lpton says that when he checked Ruddkock after that knockdown he that one of Ruddock`s pupils were dilated.

Morrison backed Ruddock into ropes and snapped his head back a few times. there was neck control and Lpton jumped in.

Worst stoppage ever my foot.

Ruddock got up at 1 and didnt even looked wobbled as he got up. Morrison hit him with a few pitty pat punches that Ruddock blocked and the ref stopped the fight. No way in hell that Ruddock was even remotely hurt and he protested a second after the ref stoped it, but then again this was fought in Morrison's home town so when you fight in the lions den you fight by the lions rules.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 13 Nov 2005, 12:40

RazorKO wrote:his brother and promoter had stolen his earnings and ran away with his money - Do you know the phycological effect that would of had on Ruddock? Especially as it was his own brother who took off with his money.

Did he ever get the money back?

meade95 · Post by **meade95** » 13 Nov 2005, 13:03

Both in their primes this would be a very good fight - I'd probably surprisingly go with Ruddock mid to late round TKO -

Tua best shot would be to take Ruddock out inside of 4 rounds -

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 13 Nov 2005, 13:19

KOJOE90 wrote:
RazorKO wrote:his brother and promoter had stolen his earnings and ran away with his money - Do you know the phycological effect that would of had on Ruddock? Especially as it was his own brother who took off with his money.
Did he ever get the money back?

Not sure, but I know that Ruddock's brother who was always in Ruddocks corner in his fights took of with close to $2 million and that just before Ruddock was due to fight Morrison.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 13 Nov 2005, 14:47

i cant believe people are picking ruddock to knock out tua. rudduck has to one of the most overated fighters of the 90s.

- ruddock could not even beat glass jaw dave jaco

- david tua has one of the best chins, ruddock has a questionable chin

- tua was the better puncher, more aggresive, stronger, MUCH BETTER CHIN, better stamina, etc

- ruddock beat a declining 36 year old bonecrusher who had recently lost to adilson rodriguez

- ruddock struggled and barely squeked out a split win over an old past his prime mike weaver

- dokes aged dramatically after holyfield beating, he was well past his prime against ruddock. not to mention dokes was not that good in the first place. dokes was fat and out of shape against ruddock, 240lb compared to 225lb against holy

- ruddock got the shit kicked out of him twice by a past his prime mike tyson

- ruddock got the shit kicked out of him by lennox lewis, then was knocked out by glass jaw tommy morrison

- so razor ruddocks best win was over a well past his prime battle worn fat out of shape dokes

- tua lost a controversial decision to ike who was the next heavy king. a lot of people though tua won that fight

- tua went 12 roundss with lennox, ruddock went 2.

- tua knocked out john ruiz, hasim rahman, oleg maskaev, fres oquendo, a then good david izon and oben sullivan.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 13 Nov 2005, 14:47

bottom line, tua has a great chin, ruddock ha a crap chin. tua by KO

Nile4000 · Post by **Nile4000** » 13 Nov 2005, 14:53

Tua would take Ruddock's best, then lay him out in about eight rounds.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 13 Nov 2005, 14:56

RazorKO wrote: Ruddock got up at 1 and didnt even looked wobbled as he got up. Morrison hit him with a few pitty pat punches that Ruddock blocked and the ref stopped the fight. No way in hell that Ruddock was even remotely hurt and he protested a second after the ref stoped it, but then again this was fought in Morrison's home town so when you fight in the lions den you fight by the lions rules.

Did you even see the fight? It was a great stoppage, Ruddock was out of it and could not defend himself. You have to throw punches to be in a fight. Ruddock was a sitting duck for Morrison's heavy blows.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 13 Nov 2005, 14:59

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
- ruddock got the shit kicked out of him twice by a past his prime mike tyson

I agree with everything you said minus this. Ruddock got the hell beat out of him by Tyson twice, that much is true. Tyson past his prime? I don't think he was. Those were two of his best performances in his first career, and showed great hand speed and power. He was the closest to his original form in those two fights since Kevin Rooney was fired back in 1988 after the Spinks fight.