hurlock wrote:I think we all saw that Stevenson is an elite fighter what he done to a former solid champion.
I'm not sure if bellews ready to face the elite yet.bellew didn't rate clev & said he's nothing to the other world champions & with cleverley being exposed on the big stage is it bellews turn??
I saw some flaws in Adonis last night I'm not sure if bellew can exploit them & he will need a decent game plan
He certainly will and he's a long way from home over there; it looked an intimidating place to box as the away fighter and Adonis did look very good; how does Tony do with southpaws?
As a pro he's fought just two - journeyman Jevgenijs Andrejevs and lanky Bob Ajisafe. Both dropped him (he was off balance and unhurt v Andrejevs) and Ajisafe gave Tony one of his hardest fights. This may not mean much - Stevenson has a very different style to Ajisafe - but them's the bare facts.
Thanks I think I remember the Ajisafe bout - there was a bit of talk beforehand. Hope the bout v Stevenson pays well for Tony; he really does seem a nice fellow when a fight isn't coming up; I'd have to put my £10 on Adonis though :(
I'm pretty sure bellew has stated himself that he doesn't like facing southpaws.
Think he did an interview with kugan in l'pool and when talking about chad dawson he said one of the reasons he wouldn't been keen on facing him was that he was a southpaw.
Before watching Stevenson last night I felt he was nothing more than a one punch knock-out machine, how he proved us all wrong last night. He looked excellent behind that steady, stiff jab and landed some beautiful counter uppercuts.
Unfortunately for Cloud he's fading fast and that's his last two fights he's been undone by the same type of lateral movement. Another area where I felt he was lacking was in hand speed, he got nowhere near landing anything on Stevenson of a consistent nature.
Stevenson's on another level to Bellew for me right now.
Bellew just isn't top level for me. Got a slightly better chance than most think though. His best chance is Kovalev making some noise and Stevenson vacating. Will end up fighting for vacant title against someone like brahemer
jackukmma wrote:Bellew just isn't top level for me. Got a slightly better chance than most think though. His best chance is Kovalev making some noise and Stevenson vacating. Will end up fighting for vacant title against someone like brahemer
Brahmer beats bellew. But that's not happening. Stevenson isn't vacating!
WelshJack wrote:I think Stevenson drops the belt and fights maybe a top 20 contender in the mean time ready for Pascal/Bute winner. Would Bellew become the champion then?
He's very good friends with Pascal, dont see that happening.
hurlock wrote:Bellew don't seem to gel with southpaws which is a worry!
Scousers don't like southpaws ha!
Look at price v camarelli & Thompson Paul smith v degale & bendall.
Calzaghe said he'd never bother with southpaws & vinny panzienza said they should all be shot!
& what sparring would bellew get for him???
Duffus91 wrote:Before watching Stevenson last night I felt he was nothing more than a one punch knock-out machine, how he proved us all wrong last night. He looked excellent behind that steady, stiff jab and landed some beautiful counter uppercuts.
Unfortunately for Cloud he's fading fast and that's his last two fights he's been undone by the same type of lateral movement. Another area where I felt he was lacking was in hand speed, he got nowhere near landing anything on Stevenson of a consistent nature.
Stevenson's on another level to Bellew for me right now.
G0mez wrote:Adonis did what he needed to do against a very mediocre Cloud, who got a gift previously against Campillo.
He did well but listening to the Sky team rave I had to rub my eyes a few times and check Sugar Ray Robinson wasn't fighting.
Having seen what Kovalev did to Campillo I'd favour the Russian to chin Adonis.
Funnily , Boone dropped Kovalev but he got back up and won. Whereas Adonis got dropped by Boone and had a little nap.
I hope they make that bout , I will lump on Kovalev.
A little nap?! Hmm not quite sure it was that bad of a stoppage. Ps if Stevenson is a walk in the park why didnt Carl fight him when he was Carl's mandatory?
G0mez wrote:Adonis did what he needed to do against a very mediocre Cloud, who got a gift previously against Campillo.
He did well but listening to the Sky team rave I had to rub my eyes a few times and check Sugar Ray Robinson wasn't fighting.
Having seen what Kovalev did to Campillo I'd favour the Russian to chin Adonis.
Funnily , Boone dropped Kovalev but he got back up and won. Whereas Adonis got dropped by Boone and had a little nap.
I hope they make that bout , I will lump on Kovalev.
A little nap?! Hmm not quite sure it was that bad of a stoppage. Ps if Stevenson is a walk in the park why didnt Carl fight him when he was Carl's mandatory?
I'm not the ''world famous international superstars'' biggest fan but to be fair to him the kessler fight was worth much more to him both financially and credibility wise having already lost to kessler.
G0mez wrote:Adonis did what he needed to do against a very mediocre Cloud, who got a gift previously against Campillo.
He did well but listening to the Sky team rave I had to rub my eyes a few times and check Sugar Ray Robinson wasn't fighting.
Having seen what Kovalev did to Campillo I'd favour the Russian to chin Adonis.
Funnily , Boone dropped Kovalev but he got back up and won. Whereas Adonis got dropped by Boone and had a little nap.
I hope they make that bout , I will lump on Kovalev.
A little nap?! Hmm not quite sure it was that bad of a stoppage. Ps if Stevenson is a walk in the park why didnt Carl fight him when he was Carl's mandatory?
I'm not the ''world famous international superstars'' biggest fan but to be fair to him the kessler fight was worth much more to him both financially and credibility wise having already lost to kessler.
That is true but he could of fought Stevenson instead of Yusaf Mack and got his mandatory out of the way in the process.
Cloud was a ROUND DOWN on one card before he stopped Yusaf Mack in 8 rounds.
He lost handily to Campillo.
I read very little into Adonis win against Dawson, he landed a perfect punch. It happens and Dawson got back up.
Fact is Dawson has stank for years. His last stoppage win was circa 6+ years ago against a nobody. He lost his first fight against Glen Johnson (guy was robbed absolutely blind) , he got halted by Pascal, halted by Ward. His fights with forty-something's Hopkins and Tarver were horrendous.
Anyone who puts it on Dawson, enjoys success. He's had more trainers than hot dinners and has always lacked the steel to match his skill.
I'm not running down Adonis, but people are getting really carried away over a pair of washed up 'names'.
Cloud simply jacked in. It was not like this atomic power was bouncing him off the canvas every round.
G0mez wrote:Cloud was a ROUND DOWN on one card before he stopped Yusaf Mack in 8 rounds.
He lost handily to Campillo.
I read very little into Adonis win against Dawson, he landed a perfect punch. It happens and Dawson got back up.
Fact is Dawson has stank for years. His last stoppage win was circa 6+ years ago against a nobody. He lost his first fight against Glen Johnson (guy was robbed absolutely blind) , he got halted by Pascal, halted by Ward. His fights with forty-something's Hopkins and Tarver were horrendous.
Anyone who puts it on Dawson, enjoys success. He's had more trainers than hot dinners and has always lacked the steel to match his skill.
I'm not running down Adonis, but people are getting really carried away over a pair of washed up 'names'.
Cloud simply jacked in. It was not like this atomic power was bouncing him off the canvas every round.
Those are all valid points but Dawson still beat Hopkins. Who is considered the man at 175 at the moment since Stevenson knocked Dawson out. Also it's funny how when Hopkins beat Cloud it was classed at this amazing victory for this old legend and how he beat this young lion but when Stevenson gets the stoppage win it's because Cloud was shit, blah, blah , blah.
And who said that exactly ? From what I read, nobody gave Cloud a cat in hell's chance against Hopkins, so your quite frankly inventing stuff up like you normally do.
So continuing your linear appraisal, does Iran Barkley sit higher than Sugar Ray Leonard ? After all he flattened Tommy Hearns ?
The fact Hearns flattened Duran , whom then beat Barkley kind of explodes your opinion.
G0mez wrote:And who said that exactly ? From what I read, nobody gave Cloud a cat in hell's chance against Hopkins, so your quite frankly inventing stuff up like you normally do.
So continuing your linear appraisal, does Iran Barkley sit higher than Sugar Ray Leonard ? After all he flattened Tommy Hearns ?
The fact Hearns flattened Duran , whom then beat Barkley kind of explodes your opinion.
Start getting rude, typical Gomez. If Stevenson is shit like you're implying he is why didnt your mate Carl fight him then?
Nah I don't get rude, I just lose respect when people can't appraise a perfectly reasonable reply loaded with facts - and opt to ignore what I was stating, to leap onto a different topic all together, usually encased in a thinly veiled dig.
I'm not going to humour you with a reply , but you are definitely more interested in winning or losing an argument than having a debate.
G0mez wrote:Cloud was a ROUND DOWN on one card before he stopped Yusaf Mack in 8 rounds.
He lost handily to Campillo.
I read very little into Adonis win against Dawson, he landed a perfect punch. It happens and Dawson got back up.
Fact is Dawson has stank for years. His last stoppage win was circa 6+ years ago against a nobody. He lost his first fight against Glen Johnson (guy was robbed absolutely blind) , he got halted by Pascal, halted by Ward. His fights with forty-something's Hopkins and Tarver were horrendous.
Anyone who puts it on Dawson, enjoys success. He's had more trainers than hot dinners and has always lacked the steel to match his skill.
I'm not running down Adonis, but people are getting really carried away over a pair of washed up 'names'.
Cloud simply jacked in. It was not like this atomic power was bouncing him off the canvas every round.
There was a lot more to admire from Stevenson in his victory over Dawson than just as you say a perfect punch.
Stevenson continually countered Dawson's jab by taking his head off line before then landing a right hook.
Stevenson also used that old Mayweather tactic of attacking one target for a period of time, namely in the Dawson fight, the body jab before then shifting the attention to another target. Stevenson feinted low before landing that knockout left cross, setting him up perfectly rather than as you say landing the perfect punch.
I think I remember the Ajisafe bout - there was a bit of talk beforehand. Hope the bout v Stevenson pays well for Tony; he really does seem a nice fellow when a fight isn't coming up; I'd have to put my £10 on Adonis though :(