Hagler2002 wrote:It won't even be close, Bellew is geting stopped inside 6 rounds IMO!
Mortgage the house, sell the car, get Wonga'd up and get on, get on indeed! This is like buying money!
As I said on Twitter 3 months ago, if Bellew win this I'll staple my cock to the kitchen table!
I think Hagler`s kitchen table is safe from having his cock stapled to it. Although the man love for the Adonis is reaching EPIC proportions on the back of a couple of decent wins.
Sure the guy can box a bit and has frightening power, but his chin hasn`t been tested all that often, nor his heart in a trench war.
Duffus91 wrote:
There was a lot more to admire from Stevenson in his victory over Dawson than just as you say a perfect punch.
Stevenson continually countered Dawson's jab by taking his head off line before then landing a right hook.
Stevenson also used that old Mayweather tactic of attacking one target for a period of time, namely in the Dawson fight, the body jab before then shifting the attention to another target. Stevenson feinted low before landing that knockout left cross, setting him up perfectly rather than as you say landing the perfect punch.
So in a fight that lasted 76 seconds , you identified all of that ?
G0mez wrote:Nah I don't get rude, I just lose respect when people can't appraise a perfectly reasonable reply loaded with facts - and opt to ignore what I was stating, to leap onto a different topic all together, usually encased in a thinly veiled dig.
I'm not going to humour you with a reply , but you are definitely more interested in winning or losing an argument than having a debate.
Yeah but you ignore facts when they suit your argument aswell mate. You implied that because Stevenson wasnt bouncing Cloud off the canvas repeatedly with in your words his supposed "atomic power" that he isnt that big of a puncher. Well using that argument does that mean that Froch cant punch?! I mean aside from the end of the fight with Taylor he never managed to drop Jermaine, he never dropped Dirrell, in the two fights he had with Kessler he never managed to drop him once, same with Abraham and so on. I guess that means Froch doesnt punch very hard. However it could just be that some fighters have very good chins and can take a shot ie Cloud.
To bring it back to the title of the thread, Bellew has struggled with people at a much lower level to Stevenson. I know Tony can be convincing but I just don't think he has proven he can beat someone like Adonis. Who has looked very good in his last two outings against supposed top guys in the division.
For Bellew to say Stevenson doesn't fancy it is unfair as it suggests that he fears Bellew. Thats not the case, as someone said earlier, Stevenson can make better money on HBO against Kovalev in a much more exciting fight.
Bellew can get elite sparring for a stevenson, he can just ask Carl Froch to switch southpaw. Wonder how awkward that would look.
Hagler2002 wrote:It won't even be close, Bellew is geting stopped inside 6 rounds IMO!
Mortgage the house, sell the car, get Wonga'd up and get on, get on indeed! This is like buying money!
As I said on Twitter 3 months ago, if Bellew win this I'll staple my cock to the kitchen table!
Get ready to loose your goldfish then eh mate, you and everyone else is gonna see how to execute a game plan against a highly dangerous fighter.. As for the Bob Ajisafe comments.. It's all part of learning, I basically took him on when nobody would go near him, a tall southpaw Ingle fighter.. Look what he has gone on to do, I've served my apprentiship and I'm ready for a fight of this magnitude, amazing how easily I'm being written off but I'm happy with that as it'll be all the sweeter when I deal with Stevenson..
Duffus91 wrote:
There was a lot more to admire from Stevenson in his victory over Dawson than just as you say a perfect punch.
Stevenson continually countered Dawson's jab by taking his head off line before then landing a right hook.
Stevenson also used that old Mayweather tactic of attacking one target for a period of time, namely in the Dawson fight, the body jab before then shifting the attention to another target. Stevenson feinted low before landing that knockout left cross, setting him up perfectly rather than as you say landing the perfect punch.
So in a fight that lasted 76 seconds , you identified all of that ?
GTFO
Watch the fight and tell me that Adonis Stevenson didn't do any of that then, Gomez.
I also stated on my twitter that he didn't fancy it cos he was talking about wanting a break and fighting again in March! That simply ain't happening..
Bomber 1 wrote:I also stated on my twitter that he didn't fancy it cos he was talking about wanting a break and fighting again in March! That simply ain't happening..
Bomber 1 wrote:I also stated on my twitter that he didn't fancy it cos he was talking about wanting a break and fighting again in March! That simply ain't happening..
I actually think you would have a good chance Tony even though I rate Stevenson as you have a good boxing brain yourself. Isnt there a chance he could somehow get the WBC to give him an extension on fighting his mandatory? Personally I hope they wouldnt do that as id like to see the fight.
Bomber 1 wrote:I also stated on my twitter that he didn't fancy it cos he was talking about wanting a break and fighting again in March! That simply ain't happening..
So what's the plan then, Anthony?
That's for my coach to sort out, let's be clear though, he's an out and out counter puncher who likes things at his own pace and doesn't possess any defence.. He hits extremely hard with the left hand and has very explosive feet and hands.. Make of that what you will.. I know what it's gonna take to win this fight and I know I'm good enough no doubt in my mind...
Bomber 1 wrote:I also stated on my twitter that he didn't fancy it cos he was talking about wanting a break and fighting again in March! That simply ain't happening..
So what's the plan then, Anthony?
Sorry answered that wrong.. I meant that's for Fast Car to sort out
Bomber 1 wrote:I also stated on my twitter that he didn't fancy it cos he was talking about wanting a break and fighting again in March! That simply ain't happening..
So what's the plan then, Anthony?
That's for my coach to sort out, let's be clear though, he's an out and out counter puncher who likes things at his own pace and doesn't possess any defence.. He hits extremely hard with the left hand and has very explosive feet and hands.. Make of that what you will.. I know what it's gonna take to win this fight and I know I'm good enough no doubt in my mind...
Can I ask you an honest question Tony? Watching him this weekend did realise that he was better than you first possibly originally thought he was? The reason I ask is because in the past you didnt seem to think he had any real boxing ability and that he was mainly a very hard puncher. Anyway cheers.
The game plan is going to be dont get involved & box like he did against ovil but he will need to be alot more spitefull. Saying that dont ovil have some freaky reach??
Adonis looks to have long arms anyone know his reach???
If truth be told chad Dawson dropping down to super middle a career l.heavy I feel has weakend him & he did beat the count.
Adonis walks around at 13st so to go into a camp only to lose 7lbs leaves him bursting with strength with his full muscle mass there.
I think his speed will be a factor against tony & tony has a very hard job on nullifying that his jab has to be crisp his in fighting & spoiling has to be on point, basically he has to bring his A game & maybe show us things from him he hasn't to date he can't afford to fight scared either. I know bellew won't swallow but he could feel like a lamb to the slaughter get that lump in his throat & go at Adonis like the water boy & get wrecked
I was very impressed with Stevenson as most people were. However Cloud was terrible. He hardly landed a clean shot. Bellew will be a big underdog and rightly so but I'm 99% sure he won't bottle it like Cloud seemed to. Also Stevenson's chin isn't regarded as the best so Tony does have a chance if he can track him down. And Glenn McCrory made a good point after the fight that if Stevenson's team watch Bellew's fights and see the knock downs, it may work in Bellew's favour as he has improved since then and Stevenson may take him lightly.
I just really hope the fight comes off for Bellew. I'm not having a go at anybody in particular here but I often think people, even proper fans, over-estimate how much fighters make. When this type of fight, with a decent payday appears on the horizon, even if you're a big underdog, you'd be a fool to turn it down. Seize the day and who knows.
Bomber 1 wrote:I also stated on my twitter that he didn't fancy it cos he was talking about wanting a break and fighting again in March! That simply ain't happening..
So what's the plan then, Anthony?
That's for my coach to sort out, let's be clear though, he's an out and out counter puncher who likes things at his own pace and doesn't possess any defence.. He hits extremely hard with the left hand and has very explosive feet and hands.. Make of that what you will.. I know what it's gonna take to win this fight and I know I'm good enough no doubt in my mind...
Very true Boomer. The way to beat a guy like Adonis is to put him under pressure from the off and work him to the body. he is not some super human wrecking ball and can (and has) been done.
Still a tough fight for you and most likely on away soil with a partisan crowd. All the best to you and I hope the fight comes off and you can put a gameplan in place.
Just tell yourself that the bloke is not very kind to nan`s and this will give you the extra bit of spite needed.
columbo wrote:
Can I ask you an honest question Tony? Watching him this weekend did realise that he was better than you first possibly originally thought he was? The reason I ask is because in the past you didnt seem to think he had any real boxing ability and that he was mainly a very hard puncher. Anyway cheers.
He's basically a counter puncher who IMHO doesn't believe in his own chin.. He boxed exactly how expected against Cloud. People think con he's a knockout puncher he's a brawler but in fact he's the opposite, he only attacks when he hurts people, he has very quick feet but pays no attention to defence as he's always in control of he pace of a bout.. I bring something different to the table and Ill gladly show him that
Your right he chooses to punch when he's ready when he'd given time but he does press & attack tony he doesn't wait long enough to be a counter puncher all his fights I've seen he's backing people up.
I do believe he can be backed up & also outboxed but you can't take your foot off the gas with this fighter he's that dangerous you can't stand still you have to be pushing him back on that left leg or moving & working off the side.
To me Adonis is a bully ex pimp nasty person who can dish it out
Bomber 1 wrote:He's basically a counter puncher who IMHO doesn't believe in his own chin.. He boxed exactly how expected against Cloud. People think con he's a knockout puncher he's a brawler but in fact he's the opposite, he only attacks when he hurts people, he has very quick feet but pays no attention to defence as he's always in control of he pace of a bout.. I bring something different to the table and Ill gladly show him that
Very good when counter punching you'd have to agree though Bomber? Has good use of his footwork, feints and varied jab all allowing him to maximize his punching power. He's definitely not a brawler as you say, if he was that he'd have went after Dawson straight from the off (the low-lead hand of Dawson was a recipe for disaster) as opposed to neutralizing Dawson's jab and setting him up perfectly.
Duffus91 wrote:
There was a lot more to admire from Stevenson in his victory over Dawson than just as you say a perfect punch.
Stevenson continually countered Dawson's jab by taking his head off line before then landing a right hook.
Stevenson also used that old Mayweather tactic of attacking one target for a period of time, namely in the Dawson fight, the body jab before then shifting the attention to another target. Stevenson feinted low before landing that knockout left cross, setting him up perfectly rather than as you say landing the perfect punch.
So in a fight that lasted 76 seconds , you identified all of that ?
GTFO
Watch the fight and tell me that Adonis Stevenson didn't do any of that then, Gomez.
Your really not going to believe this - but yesterday I had 7 rounds to carry out an appraisal and he is definitely NOT anything like Floyd Mayweather, apart from being black.
His hands were painfully awkward, neither near his chin nor down and relaxed - kind of hovering around his own tits. I don't see the fuss with him at all.
Hagler2002 wrote:It won't even be close, Bellew is geting stopped inside 6 rounds IMO!
Mortgage the house, sell the car, get Wonga'd up and get on, get on indeed! This is like buying money!
As I said on Twitter 3 months ago, if Bellew win this I'll staple my cock to the kitchen table!
Get ready to loose your goldfish then eh mate, you and everyone else is gonna see how to execute a game plan against a highly dangerous fighter.. As for the Bob Ajisafe comments.. It's all part of learning, I basically took him on when nobody would go near him, a tall southpaw Ingle fighter.. Look what he has gone on to do, I've served my apprentiship and I'm ready for a fight of this magnitude, amazing how easily I'm being written off but I'm happy with that as it'll be all the sweeter when I deal with Stevenson..
I do wish you luck but unlike the sh1t sniffers who are telling you you're going to beat Stevenson I think he's going to smash your mask in.
