Which Post Louis Linnear Champions Would Wlad Beat?

[JimStone]

Those saying Walcott is too small don't seem to realize Haye is not any bigger than Jersey Joe. And Walcott was 10 times the fighter Haye is.

Guess is they haven't seen film on him. Walcott was a rock. Beat the shite out of Louis and Rocky M before getting caught and his KO of Charles was epic.

Walcott was a great boxer.

Haye is considerably bigger than Walcott was in both height and lean mass. He's got three inches in height, four in reach, and 20lbs on the scales, almost certainly at a lower bodyfat percentage.

Haye lost convincingly against Wlad.

[loaded_gloves]

Haye lost convincingly against Wlad. So what?

Do you think a fighter like Jersey Joe is going to timidly stay in his shell all night?

He's going to read Wladimir Klitschko's simplistic, repetitive style like a children's book and set him up for some sneak shot like he always did. And how wonderful for him to have such a huge target to work with.

People should remember when Wlad came across two men with the absolute bare minimum of fitness, speed, and defensive guile you would expect of a fighter in a world title bout - Ibragimov and Haye - Wladimir's awesome power was totally nullified and he was too slow and too scared to plant one on either man.

If Ibragimov and Haye are too smart defensively for you, Ezzard Charles, Jersey, Joe, Joe Louis et al are going to make you look very stupid and very tired en route to setting you up for something big & horrific.

[JimStone]

However skillful, and Walcott was definitely that, some of these light-heavyweight cum cruiserweights of yesteryear were, I don't see them being in with a look in against Wlad cicra 2009-2012.

If Wlad was just a big lump I'd be with you all the way but he's extraordinarly well drilled these days, largely thanks to Steward.

It will be interesting to see how the fading influence of Steward impacts him.

Of the old timers, Joe Louis and Harry Wills are the guys I give the best chance against Wlad.

BTW They'd be in an even greater pickle versus Vitali.

[bollox]

What Vlad needs is an opponent who can pressure him so we can all see if anyone has taught him how to react when some heat is coming his way. He had no clue when it's previously happened and I don't think he'd have a clue today

p.s Joe Louis would have both Klits in tweety-bird land by round 6. Vitali would last a bit longer but not much

[loaded_gloves]

Vitali was hitting the grossly overweight 40 year old men Corrie Sanders & Shannon Briggs square on the glassy chops with full-bloodied power shots and couldn't even knock them down.

He is no threat to Joe Louis.

[JimStone]

Vitali was hitting the grossly overweight 40 year old men Corrie Sanders & Shannon Briggs square on the glassy chops with full-bloodied power shots and couldn't even knock them down.

He is no threat to Joe Louis.

With Sanders his caution was sensible - 6'4", 235lb, southpaw bangers are to be treated with respect, as his brother found to his cost. Latterly, just because Vitali understands the value of hedging doesn't mean the power that has seen 9/10 opponents stopped has evaporated. He's more cautious now and chooses to pick guys off rather than expose himself as he did when he was younger and his powers of resistance and recovery were greater than they are now.

He' still never been behind on the cards at the end of a pro fight, never been seriously wobbled, and never dropped by a punch. That's never been done before by a heavyweight world champion.

[loaded_gloves]

He' still never been behind on the cards at the end of a pro fight, never been seriously wobbled, and never dropped by a punch. That's never been done before by a heavyweight world champion.

But really he's only fought Chris Byrd ("it hurts too much") and a fat 40 year old Lennox Lewis in terms of live, competent, genuine top class opponents.

No heavyweight champion in history has had such a flimsy list of opponents, therefore your stat doesn't mean anything at all.

Or are we to count Herbie Hide, and middle aged overweight versions of men who weren't even top calibre in their prime, such as Sanders and Briggs, as remarkable opponents?

[Vladimir5555]

Loaded gloves the biggest hater Klitschko brothers on the this forum))).

[JimStone]

He' still never been behind on the cards at the end of a pro fight, never been seriously wobbled, and never dropped by a punch. That's never been done before by a heavyweight world champion.

But really he's only fought Chris Byrd ("it hurts too much") and a fat 40 year old Lennox Lewis in terms of live, competent, genuine top class opponents.

No heavyweight champion in history has had such a flimsy list of opponents, therefore your stat doesn't mean anything at all.

Or are we to count Herbie Hide, and middle aged overweight versions of men who weren't even top calibre in their prime, such as Sanders and Briggs, as remarkable opponents?

Very selective memory. He's ducked nobody. Who did Walcott fight and beat at heavyweight? A faded 180lb Ezzard Charles at the third and fourth attempt. He's not got a single win versus a top quality guy even close to 200lb. Show me otherwise.

[loaded_gloves]

That's because people were boiled down into peak athletic condition in Walcott's day and not grossly overweight or so packed with muscle they stagger around and gasp for air after six semi-fast paced rounds (see Vitali versus Lennox Lewis). Can you picture Vitali and Wlad surviving in the days of 15 round fights fought at an intense pace? When a giant mastodon roamed into town Joe Louis dispatched them with terrifying speed, punch selection, and violence. Buddy Baer, Abe Simon, and Primo Carnera would be right at the top of the tree today and people like you would write "they are too massive and powerful for a puny 200lb man to hurt them." Well hurt they were, horrifyingly so, and by the athlete who hit with all of his 200lbs.

Vitali has zero wins over men with Walcott's boxing IQ. In fact, the one time he fought someone who could slip & move, in the built-up feather-fisted super middleweight Chris Byrd, he not only failed to make any dent in Byrd whatsoever but was also having to back up confusedly from Byrd in the second half of the fight and then quit on his stool because "it hurts too much". But still, ah how Vitali has stopped so many immobile 240lb lumps . . .

Your fixation on pure weight shows you have no real argument and no comprehension of boxing's rich history. And Ezzard Charles suddenly "faded" when he lost to Walcott? You don't know anything about the era you are attempting to dismiss.

[JimStone]

I don't have a fixation with height/weight.

[Seamus]

One little correction. While I do prefer to stay out of hypothetical heavyweight matchups from different eras, for the reason that it's like matching Light Heavyweights with Welterweights, I would like to point out that as a pro. Vitaly was nearly down early against Corrie Sanders.

[dempseyfire]

Those saying Walcott is too small don't seem to realize Haye is not any bigger than Jersey Joe. And Walcott was 10 times the fighter Haye is.

Guess is they haven't seen film on him. Walcott was a rock. Beat the shite out of Louis and Rocky M before getting caught and his KO of Charles was epic.

Walcott was a great boxer.

Haye is considerably bigger than Walcott was in both height and lean mass. He's got three inches in height, four in reach, and 20lbs on the scales, almost certainly at a lower bodyfat percentage.

Haye lost convincingly against Wlad.

Lower body fat percentage? No way . . Haye has to force himself to eat many meals during the day to stay over 200 (fights around 210) and at that weight doesn't look soft but doesn't show that much definition. Walcott was more ripped than Haye and trained DOWN to 194 lbs of pure muscle. Haye has a couple of inches on Joe (David's clearly 6'2 not 6'3) but that's his only size advantage

Wlad beat Haye but looked like crap because he was way too cautious vs a guy with speed and power. Vs Walcott he's fighting another guy with speed, power, and top class boxing skills.

[Ezzard]

Spinks has no chance. Moorer virtually no chance.

Spinks definitely has a chance, Wlad was completely ineffective against Haye. You think there is no chance that Michael Spinks could improve on what Haye did?

Moorer was far greater than anyone Wlad has ever been in the ring with.

Sorry. Everyone always has a chance but Spinks's is miniscule. Wlad beat Haye without raising a sweat.

I don't agree on Moorer. He'd be a decent heavy in any era...but no more.

[Ezzard]

When I was a kid my uncle gave me all of his copies of The Ring from the 1960s and 70s... I read them all like they were the gospel...

The subtext was constantly that Clay/Ali was good but not great...fought no real opposition, apart from Liston who quit on his stool and was a disgrace to the sport...Joe Louis would be KOing these guys far quicker than Ali...poor era... Liston was the first heavyweight champion in history to lose the belt on his stool...that was indicative of how poor a fighter he was and how awful the era was...

In the 1970s issues...the heavyweights were a mess...Foreman got beat by an old man for crying out loud...

Following boxing in the 1980s...I constantly heard about how poor the era was... Holmes would never have survived back in the 60s and 70s... They were all fat boys and coke addicts who couldn't throw a jab properly... Holmes had a fat gut and was still beating them all...

In the 1990s I heard about how Lennox wasn't aggressive enough...a china chinned guy lucky to boxing in such an era. Those 70s heavies would have minced him... The fact that a fat 40+ Foreman was champion and that the best guy was a pumped up Cruiserweight who couldn't even KO geriatrics like Holmes and Foreman...

Now I just hear all the same things...

Get it off your chests boys. I've heard it all before.
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[loaded_gloves]

Sorry. Everyone always has a chance but Spinks's is miniscule. Wlad beat Haye without raising a sweat.

I don't agree on Moorer. He'd be a decent heavy in any era...but no more.

1. What the hell is the correlation here? Spinks, Haye, what? He beats Haye easy so beats Spinks? Why?

Can you imagine Haye surviving 30 rds with Larry Holmes? Coming out of his fear-shell versus Gerry freakin' Cooney? I certainly can't.

2. So Moorer is a decent heavy in any era but... this one? So you think this one is the best ever?

Please change your user name from Ezzard to Wlad.

[dr_devious]

Louis -2
Charles -1 (Charles is too small)
Walcott - 3
Marciano - 2
Patterson - 1
Johansson - 3 (punchers chance for Ingo)
Liston - 2 (Wlads got a better chance against a firing squad)
Ali - 2
Frazier - 2 (as long as Joe could reach his china chin)
Foreman - 2 (loss by execution)
L. Spinks - 1
Holmes - 2
M. Spinks - 1 (Mike Spinks is too small)
Tyson - 2
Douglas - 1 (the post title Douglas has no chance, the pre title version could win)
Holyfield - 2
Bowe -2
Moorer - 1
Briggs -1
Lewis - 2
Rahman - 1

[Vladimir5555]

Wladimir Klitschko the best freestyle wrestler in boxing;-);-);-);-).

[gilgamesh]

Wladimir Klitschko the best freestyle wrestler in boxing;-);-);-);-).

Greco Roman

Freestyle wrestling involves attacking the legs. Greco Roman is all upper body. D

[Vladimir5555]

Povetkin has a great fighting spirit.

[gilgamesh]

Povetkin has a great fighting spirit.

He definitely fought harder and tried harder to win than a lot of Wlad's other opponents.

[Vladimir5555]

Yes,he want win this fight.

[keithmoonhangover]

Cool, a week it is. I was willing to go forever.

You must know more about boxing than me.... it says so in my location.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Cool, a week it is. I was willing to go forever.

You must know more about boxing than me.... it says so in my location.

I do

[Ezzard]

I do prefer to stay out of hypothetical heavyweight matchups from different eras, for the reason that it's like matching Light Heavyweights with Welterweights

Marciano, Dempsey, etc... would either have to roid up like Holyfield or boil down to 175. Size isn't everything but it is a major advantage.