USA Boxing warns Mike Tyson to not sign their best boxers

[Boxing23]

Interesting. What do you think?

http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Boxing/Featu ... les-Butler

[ABC BOXING]

Sign them Mike before AIBA uses them to build their own WSB crap pros

[ABC BOXING]

Amateur stars Erickson Lubin, 18, and Dennis Galarza, 20, inked promotional contracts with Iron Mike Productions today at the IMP GYM in Deerfield Beach, Florida. Both fighters will be managed by Henry Rivalta and they are expected to make their pro debuts in November at The Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Hollywood, Florida.

[scallum]

Good job Mike Tyson. Ericsson Lubin is a beast

[mike222]

I think if USA Boxing had used Erickson in International competition in 2013 that might have made a difference.

[ABC BOXING]

USA isn't the problem it is AIBA and WSB using rules such as no head gear that will be required at internationals, they have their already against USA officials in place, AIBA has spent thousands making their fighters top elite and it will be hard to beat their fighters on points. So why should American fighters wait for Olympics knowing there is a possibility of getting cuts and scares that would affect them for every fight in the future and the whole idea of getting cut and not getting paid or compensated for their fights. Remember when these USA boxers compete they end up fighting tough and experienced WSB paid professionals which means there is no tune up fights. In the pros they get paid and are given fights to build up their records for the bigger pay days in the future. Head gears may not protect the brain from damage but they do help stop little to major cuts not 100% of the time but much more than not using head gear. Winning the Gold doesn't mean much if you get a huge cut getting to it and end up fragile material for any promoter.

[scallum]

Ericsson was smart ,why go to the Elite and take a chance of fightng 5 times in one week with no headgear? I hate to sat this but boxers 19-40 will probably suffer many more career altering injuries because of the no headgear rule. I personally would never work the corner of any fighter putting themselves at risk like that. If no headgear is really safer should fighters not wear them during sparing? No headgeaer being safer is just silly

[skept]

USAB hates Brownsville fighters but beg Tyson for money. The amateur system stinks and kids like Lubin is smart. Get out now. They rob these kids blind. Tyson and whoever else should swoop in and rescue these amateurs. I told everyone back in 2009 this would happen. Andre Ward won gold and he deserved it. Rumor has it that he was smashing one of them Colorado women on the way to the top. She still in the loop to this day. Thats our next topic. Women placing bets on who gets the chocolate cake. None in their hometown, plenty on the trips. All this killed our program.

[skept]

USA isn't the problem it is AIBA and WSB using rules such as no head gear that will be required at internationals, they have their already against USA officials in place, AIBA has spent thousands making their fighters top elite and it will be hard to beat their fighters on points. So why should American fighters wait for Olympics knowing there is a possibility of getting cuts and scares that would affect them for every fight in the future and the whole idea of getting cut and not getting paid or compensated for their fights. Remember when these USA boxers compete they end up fighting tough and experienced WSB paid professionals which means there is no tune up fights. In the pros they get paid and are given fights to build up their records for the bigger pay days in the future. Head gears may not protect the brain from damage but they do help stop little to major cuts not 100% of the time but much more than not using head gear. Winning the Gold doesn't mean much if you get a huge cut getting to it and end up fragile material for any promoter.

Im retiring from this blog soon. Skept is moving on. AIBA & WSB isnt the blame, USAB is because they turned their backs on their own and other countries seen that. In wars of our great nation as well as in sports eliminating the US was always top priority and this time we unproudly eliminated ourselves. Then they asking Tyson for money when USA hierarchy has big beautiful homes. Doing wrong has led to no sponsorships and rightfully so. Kids turn pro. 2016 will show no boxing medals again.

[skept]

Instead of writing letters and going to the ghetto of life and asking Tyson for money, Dr. Charles Butler needs to write all USAB athletes and non athletes and apologize for the injustices. It wont work any other way.

[ABC BOXING]

Skept I agree on many of your points but one AIBA/WSB are to blame. Because do you really think USA boxers are going to recieve Gold medels considering AIBA/WSB has invested so much money in their professionals that will be in the Olympics which will demand from officials that those fighters start off each round at a 10 with opponents starting off at a 9 before the bell even rings. It will be the most dishonest judging and a down hill battle for any opponent in the Olympics. I forsee this problem money talks and this Olympic will show it. I wish and hope things don't end up like that but money investments will prevail.

[JMac]

Skept I agree on many of your points but one AIBA/WSB are to blame. Because do you really think USA boxers are going to recieve Gold medels considering AIBA/WSB has invested so much money in their professionals that will be in the Olympics which will demand from officials that those fighters start off each round at a 10 with opponents starting off at a 9 before the bell even rings. It will be the most dishonest judging and a down hill battle for any opponent in the Olympics. I forsee this problem money talks and this Olympic will show it. I wish and hope things don't end up like that but money investments will prevail.

Wrong again!

[ABC BOXING]

JMac how can i be wrong The Internationals and Olympic judging has not happened yet so there is no way i'm wrong right now after all that and if i'm wrong i will accept it but wait till after all this and if i am wrong then laugh at me.

[JMac]

This is what I wrote in a similar thread on the current scene:

I can tell you this, things are looking up for USA Boxing in international boxing. First of all AIBA changed the scoring system back to pro style scoring. Before '92 Olympics, it was a 20 point must system but included a system of counting punches. AIBA was lead by a very corrupt leader from Pakistan. He's dead now and AIBA is lead by a billionaire from Taiwan. He wants to take over all of boxing including the pros. He knows in order for his pro league to take off, he needs USA to do well in the Olympics like the old days and he needs American boxers to fight in his league to be successful. He has his work cut out for him and it will take many years possibly.
Part of helping USA be successful is getting rid of the corrupt judges from countries that don't like USA. There is a bunch of them but things are working out in that area. When the scoring system changed to computer scoring, the most successful countries in international boxing in the last 4 Olympics knew they had to change the style of their boxers to suit the scoring system. US coaches were too stupid to do that so the boxers suffered. The coaches continued to train their boxers with a pro style and US lost some very good young boxers to the pros over the years. I can't blame the boxers for going pro early when they would go to international tournaments and get robbed. They figured they might as well get paid for getting screwed. Now the scoring system is a pro style 10 point scoring system that will suit the pro style American boxers better. Most of the corrupt judges are gone and best of all, USA Boxing hired the Cuban Olympic coach from the Beijing Olympics who was voted coach of the year by AIBA. US boxers are entering more and more international tournaments, something they lacked when they were not doing well and now just for 2013, USA has won 35 gold medals, 16 silver and 24 bronze medals in international tournaments.
People like Skept can go, who needs them and their negative opinions. There are many people all up in arms about amateurs not wearing headgear in big tournaments saying the boxers should just turn pro if they aren't going to wear headgear. They obviously were not around back before '84 when headgear was not worn and USA dominated Olympic boxing. I remember the old days and look forward to the new days and the future for USA Boxing. The style in international tournaments has already changed and the boxers are banging again like they used to and it will be exciting to see Olympics without headgear. The fans and TV will return. After the US won 5 gold medals in the '76 Montreal Olympics with the Spinks brothers and Sugar Ray Leonard, the numbers of kids joining gyms skyrocketed. It would be nice to see that again.

[JMac]

ABC, read that again. In 2013 alone USA Boxing has won 35 gold medals, 16 silver and 24 bronze medals in international tournaments.
What does that tell you? It tells me things are looking up for USAB.

[ABC BOXING]

Impressive on the medals but that is internationals far from Olympics but with that type of results so far I might try watching the Olympics again turned my television to other channels the past two Olympics. Sad to admitt but with no action the last round really made me use my remote and not return to see the running rounds of the Olympics.

[JMac]

Impressive on the medals but that is internationals far from Olympics but with that type of results so far I might try watching the Olympics again turned my television to other channels the past two Olympics. Sad to admitt but with no action the last round really made me use my remote and not return to see the running rounds of the Olympics.

I agree on how boring Olympic boxing became. I was in Beijing and watched every bout. I would tell people that the only thing more boring than the Athens Olympic boxing was the Beijing Olympic boxing. I hated it and what it was doing to amateur boxing. We lost fans in droves. I'm excited again and have hopes for amateur boxing and USA in future Olympics. Time will tell.

[ABC BOXING]

Looking at AIBA top three fighters on each division there are no USA at all on their rating.
http://www.aiba.org/default.aspx?pId=4248
i am talking men division

But if you say things look good i'll give the benefit

[Tarquin Tarpaulin V]

This is what I wrote in a similar thread on the current scene:

I can tell you this, things are looking up for USA Boxing in international boxing. First of all AIBA changed the scoring system back to pro style scoring. Before '92 Olympics, it was a 20 point must system but included a system of counting punches. AIBA was lead by a very corrupt leader from Pakistan. He's dead now and AIBA is lead by a billionaire from Taiwan. He wants to take over all of boxing including the pros. He knows in order for his pro league to take off, he needs USA to do well in the Olympics like the old days and he needs American boxers to fight in his league to be successful. He has his work cut out for him and it will take many years possibly.
Part of helping USA be successful is getting rid of the corrupt judges from countries that don't like USA. There is a bunch of them but things are working out in that area. When the scoring system changed to computer scoring, the most successful countries in international boxing in the last 4 Olympics knew they had to change the style of their boxers to suit the scoring system. US coaches were too stupid to do that so the boxers suffered. The coaches continued to train their boxers with a pro style and US lost some very good young boxers to the pros over the years. I can't blame the boxers for going pro early when they would go to international tournaments and get robbed. They figured they might as well get paid for getting screwed. Now the scoring system is a pro style 10 point scoring system that will suit the pro style American boxers better. Most of the corrupt judges are gone and best of all, USA Boxing hired the Cuban Olympic coach from the Beijing Olympics who was voted coach of the year by AIBA. US boxers are entering more and more international tournaments, something they lacked when they were not doing well and now just for 2013, USA has won 35 gold medals, 16 silver and 24 bronze medals in international tournaments.
People like Skept can go, who needs them and their negative opinions. There are many people all up in arms about amateurs not wearing headgear in big tournaments saying the boxers should just turn pro if they aren't going to wear headgear. They obviously were not around back before '84 when headgear was not worn and USA dominated Olympic boxing. I remember the old days and look forward to the new days and the future for USA Boxing. The style in international tournaments has already changed and the boxers are banging again like they used to and it will be exciting to see Olympics without headgear. The fans and TV will return. After the US won 5 gold medals in the '76 Montreal Olympics with the Spinks brothers and Sugar Ray Leonard, the numbers of kids joining gyms skyrocketed. It would be nice to see that again.

If you read your post with a slightly different head on Jmac you'll see a trend that sits at the root of amateur boxings ills.

That being the changing of the scoring system, back and forth between open assessment and computers, clickers with 3 judges, 5 judges etc., etc.,

Your correct that the USA didn't respond to the changes but the problem was not of their making.

[Tarquin Tarpaulin V]

ABC, read that again. In 2013 alone USA Boxing has won 35 gold medals, 16 silver and 24 bronze medals in international tournaments.
What does that tell you? It tells me things are looking up for USAB.

It was suggested here in the UK that teams were entered into less difficult tournaments in order to ensure medal wins and continuation of government funding!

I'm not saying that's the case but it might be worth doing an exercise to determine the quality of the competitions the US team have been entering?

[scallum]

Usa just won a Gold and Silver at Jr Worlds and at least 2 kids just barley missed bronze. Usa just won Gold and I believe 1 bronze at Women Worlds youths. Are these not the best competition tournaments in World?

[scallum]

Shakur Stevenson from Team Usa was also named Jr Boxer of the year by Aiba. There looks to be a very big and brightfuture ahead for Usa boxing. Expecting big , dynamic results in 2016.

[coachb]

the womens youth won 3 golds and one bronze - and the women boxers have proven to be the boxers who are stepping up and earning the medals. I believe the USA youth groups both male and female are the future of USA BOXING. there is some true talent on our teams but i think the womens team will see better boxers trying out for the travelling team.

[Tarquin Tarpaulin V]

Usa just won a Gold and Silver at Jr Worlds and at least 2 kids just barley missed bronze. Usa just won Gold and I believe 1 bronze at Women Worlds youths. Are these not the best competition tournaments in World?

That accounts for two golds from 35 ;)

I'm not suggesting that USA aren't doing well, not suggesting that teams are put into less competitive tournaments to get results, I really don't know. All i'm saying is that it does happen and that facts and figures don't always tell the whole story.

Another example for consideration, for the European Championships anyway, is that the England Schoolboy squad was prevented from competing and would certainly have come away with medals.

[scallum]

the womens youth won 3 golds and one bronze - and the women boxers have proven to be the boxers who are stepping up and earning the medals. I believe the USA youth groups both male and female are the future of USA BOXING. there is some true talent on our teams but i think the womens team will see better boxers trying out for the travelling team.

Well I stand corrected. 3 Golds and one Bronze at YouthWorldTruly Amazing. Plus the Jr boys
Have 3 really ,really super talents who were only 15 this year at Worlds ,all 3 have good shots at being ranked #1 in World next year. The 3 Amigos lol