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[gilgamesh]

Ken did win that first one, nobody disputes that.

[BoxBuzz]

Ken did win that first one, nobody disputes that.

Absolutely Mr. G...

To get laughed at too,,,,,,,,Geez that was embarrassing.

Really? So you placed your bet on Muhammad? You've changed!
Anyway, sad about your embarrassment. But I think most people thought Ali was going to win, so you weren't alone. It was tough on a lot of his fans.

[gilgamesh]

March 31, 1973

Kenny Norton vs. Muhammad Ali I

After 10-Rounds, Kenny Norton had the lead. Following a dominating
Round 10, which Kenny won by {2-Points}, the San Diego Heavyweight
was up by 4-Points on the 'World Cards', 97-93 {6-3-1 in Rounds}.

Muhammad Ali was able to re-group, and was busy enough to take Round 11,
as it was obvious that Kenny was taking the Round off, as he was comfortably
ahead.

Round 11, was the first Round that Muhammad was able to assert himself a
bit, and he was effective with his soft pitty-pat left jabs.

I had Kenny ahead by 3-Points, 106-103 {6-4-1 in Rounds} going into Round 12,
so he didn't need the Round to win anyway.

The 'Final Round' was a slaughter, as Kenny Norton hammered 'The once Great'
Muhammad Ali all over the ring.

To go into any detail, would be an embarrassment to Muhammad Ali, as I'd
rather not discuss it...

Round 12, easily a {10-8} score for Kenny Norton.

The Final Tally........7-4-1 in Rounds,,,,,,,{116-111 in Points} ........Kenny Norton....

Scoring Official, Fred Hayes should have been ashamed of himself,,,,,,,,,

"The Once Great" Muhammad Ali? He was still going to knock out George Foreman in a year and a half and reign as Champion for over 3 years...I'd say he was still plenty great.

Making Ken Norton's victory that much more impressive.

[gilgamesh]

Good Call by Howard Cosell after Round 9.

Though Howard did 'not' present a Scorecard, he stated that Muhammad Ali had done
little, but expected the Judges to lean his way, because he was Muhammad Ali.

{Sounds Fair,,,,,,,,doesn't it}


Howard Cosell,

'It has been Kenny Norton as the aggressive one from the opening bell, and he is the
one throwing the hard punches. I'd imagine he should be 'Even' in this fight.'

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Yancey Durham,

'I have the fight close, it could be 'Even', though Kenny has fought the better fight.
Kenny has stuck to his game plan of pressure, and Muhammad is still trying to figure
him out after 9-Rounds. He's running out of time.
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Joe Frazier,

It's close, but I'm not surprised. I've boxed with Kenny Norton for 5-Years, and he's
a real good fighter. If Kenny wins Round 10, I don't think Muhammad will have
enough to pull it out. He's coming to the table late and there isn't any food left.'

Dude...you know Ken Norton got the decision right?

[Seamus]

Muhammad Ali v Ken Norton III

R1.MA
R2.MA
R3.MA
R4.KN
R5.KN
R6.KN
R7.MA
R8.KN
R9.MA
R10.MA
R11.Even
R12.Even
R13.KN
R14.KN
R15.KN

Ken Norton 7-6-2

Certainly not the robbery it's been made out to be, and a fight Ali could have won had he not blown a few rounds just staying on the ropes.

[Seamus]

Jung Koo Chang vs Sot Chitalada I

R1. 10-9 JKC
R2. 10-9 JKC
R3. 10-9 JKC
R4. 10-9 JKC
R5. 10-10 Even
R6. 10-9 SC
R7. 10-9 SC
R8. 10-10 Even
R9. 10-8 JKC (pt taken from Chitalada for holding behind the head)
R10.10-9 SC
R11.10-9 SC
R12.10-10 Even

Jung Koo Chang 116-114

This was an excellent fight with non stop
action from start to finish. Chang dominated the first 4 rounds by
pressuring his taller opponent, but after a serious headbutt in round 6,
Chitalada, a very skilled boxer began to make this a much closer fight. I'm
a bit confused regarding points taken in this fight. I saw no announcement
of a pt deduction against Chitalada in the 6th, so perhaps it came after the
round ended. BoxRec mentions this deduction, but not the clear one in the
9th, so my card should either have Chang winning 116-114 or 116-113. In
either case, it was a tremendous performance by the smaller man, who's face
was badly cut.

Myung Woo Yuh vs Hiroki Ioka II

R1.10-9 MWY
R2.10-10 Even
R3.10-9 MWY
R4.10-10 Even
R5.10-9 HI
R6.10-9 MWY
R7.10-9 MWY
R8.10-9 MWY
R9.10-9 MWY
R10.10-10 Even
R11.10-9 MWY
R12.10-9 MWY

Myung Woo Yuh 119-112

Yuh avenged the only loss of his
career and recaptured the WBA Light Flyweight title in this bout. Ioka
looked like a technically sound fighter with a solid chin, but in this bout
he was up against a whirlwind of a fighter in Yuh, who just never stopped
throwing punches. Amazingly one judge actually scored this fight a draw.

Sure beats watching Heavyweights.

[Counter-puncher]

Sure beats watching Heavyweights .

[Seamus]

Fighting Harada vs Eder Jofre I

R1.5-4 FH
R2.5-4 FH
R3.5-5 Even
R4.5-4 FH
R5.5-4 EJ
R6.5-4 FH
R7.5-5 Even
R8.5-4 FH
R9.5-4 FH
R10.5-4 FH
R11.5-5 Even
R12.5-4 FH
R13.5-4 FH
R14.5-4 EJ
R15.5-4 FH

Fighting Harada 73-65

Fighting Harada vs Eder Jofre II

R1.5-4 FH
R2.5-4 EJ
R3.5-4 FH
R4.5-4 FH
R5.5-4 FH
R6.5-4 FH
R7.5-4 FH
R8.5-5 Even
R9.5-4 FH
R10. 5-4 EJ
R11.5-5 Even
R12.5-4 EJ
R13.5-4 FH
R14.5-4 FH
R15.5-4 FH

Fighting Harada 72-65

Both these fights are now online in there entirety, and if you have any doubts, as much as I hate to admit it, Fighting Harada was the clear winner both times out, and it wasn't close either time.

In there 1st fight, Jofre looked sluggish from the opening bell, and he was simply outworked by a guy who looked as fresh in the 15th as he did in the 1st. In the 2nd fight, Jofre started noticeably more energetic, but by the 3rd round, it was obvious he had no answer for Harada, who was overwhelming him with non stop combinations. The Scorecards in both fights were all ridiculous. The first time, 2 judges had Harada winning by 2 pts each, while another had Jofre by a point, while in the rematch it was a UD for Harada by 3, 2, and 1pt. I gave it to Harada by 8 and 7.

Won't bother posting the rd by rd, but I also scored Jung Koo Chang vs German Torres I 119-108 for Chang. A bit disappointed in Chang in this one. He thoroughly dominated the fight, but in the process through in alot of dirty tactics, rabbit punching, holding and hitting, etc, and yet it was the badly beaten Torres who lost a pt for an alleged headbutt.

[Counter-puncher]

Won't bother posting the rd by rd, but I also scored Jung Koo Chang vs German Torres I 119-108 for Chang. A bit disappointed in Chang in this one. He thoroughly dominated the fight, but in the process through in alot of dirty tactics, rabbit punching, holding and hitting, etc, and yet it was the badly beaten Torres who lost a pt for an alleged headbutt.

he ended up doing a lot of that later in his career

[Seamus]

Sot Chitalada vs Jung Koo Chang II

R1.10-9 SC
R2.10-9 SC
R3.10-9 JKC
R4.10-9 SC
R5.10-9 SC
R6.10-9 JKC
R7.10-9 JKC
R8.10-9 JKC
R9.10-9 JKC
R10. 10-10 Even
R11. 10-9 JKC
R12. 10-8 JKC (1pt from Chitalada for a throw down)

Jung Koo Chang 116-112

Chang started this bout looking past
his best, but in the second half he looked his old self again and dominated
Chitalada with his constant aggression. Unfortunately he ended up the victim
of a pretty bad majority decision. Sot Chitalada was a fine boxer with a
strong jab, but Chang looked to have clearly worn him down at the end.

Muangchai Kittikasem vs Jung Koo Chang

R1.10-9 MK
R2.10-9 JKC
R3.10-9 JKC
R4.10-9 MK
R5.10-7 JKC (Kittikasem down twice)
R6.10-9 MK
R7.10-9 MK
R8.10-9 MK
R9.10-9 MK
R10. 10-9 MK
R11. 10-8 JKC (Kittikasem down)

103-103 Even going into final round. Muangchai Kiitkasem scores 2 knockdowns
and the fight is stopped.

One of the greatest fights of the 1990's, Jung
Koo Chang looked to have taken complete control in round 5 when he dropped
Muangchai Kittikasem twice, but the Thai fighter rallied to win the next 5
rds on my scorecard, only to be dropped a third time by Chang in the 11th.
With the bout up for grabs in the final round, Kittikasem came up huged and
scored a pair of knockdowns ending the fight.

Lionel Rose vs Fighting Harada

R1.5-4 LR
R2.5-4 LR
R3.5-4 FH
R4.5-4 FH
R5.5-4 FH
R6.5-3 FH (1pt deducted from Rose for a rabbit punch)
R7.5-4 FH
R8.5-4 LR
R9.5-3 LR (Harada down)
R10.5-4 LR
R11.5-4 LR
R12.5-4 FH
R13.5-4 LR
R14.5-4 LR
R15.5-4 LR

Lionel Rose 68-65

Outstanding performance from Lionel Rose, to come from behind on the road after Harada looked to have taken control after the first seven rounds. Rose employed excellent footwork and a strong jab, and consistently caught the always aggressive Harada coming in, with hard counters. The performance of a lifetime for Rose.

[Counter-puncher]

^^^ couple of really good fights, there, Seamus, Chang-Kittikassem has some unreal passages. i love Kitt's right hands to the body, which he is slamming in all night.

seeing as you seem to be watching a lot of SE asian fights, I'd be interested to see your scoring on Yuh - Dejesus 1 & 2, or Gamez 1, close fights with stylistic contrast that can make scoring very interesting/diificult

[Seamus]

Counterpuncher

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find video of those fights online. Next week, if I have the time again, I'd like to watch some more of Myung Woo Yuh. Who would you have taken in a 12 rounder between Chang and Yuh ? Chang clearly has the better resume, but Yuh had the same workrate from what I've seen of him. Ever notice how many times at these weights, a good boxer who tries to pace himself, jab and look for openings, get's absolutely smothered by a swarmer who throws nonstop punches.

And if it's frustrating being unable to find some of Yuh's bouts, just remember that Chang v Zapata I is online, missing a round.

[Counter-puncher]

Counterpuncher
Who would you have taken in a 12 rounder between Chang and Yuh ? Chang clearly has the better resume, but Yuh had the same workrate from what I've seen of him. Ever notice how many times at these weights, a good boxer who tries to pace himself, jab and look for openings, get's absolutely smothered by a swarmer who throws nonstop punches.

.

the best version of Chang I would have to take over Yuh, on account of his extra explosiveness and power and that smothering workrate.

the later, faded Chang who tried stealing breaks in rounds, I think Yuh would push all the way but ultimately lose a close or split decision to.

[Seamus]

Counterpuncher

That's about the way I'd see it to, prime vs prime, Chang probably wins by 3 pts.

I heard in the past that Yuh may have gotten a couple hometown decisions, but haven't seen the fights. I recently watched his title defense against Rodolfo Blanco and was pretty surprised by the scores at the time of the stoppage. The judges had Yuh ahead by 6-3-1 pts. Up until that time, I thought Blanco was giving a very good account of himself.

Did you manage to see Chang V Zapata I ? I mentioned it in another recent post as a horrible decision.

[Counter-puncher]

Did you manage to see Chang V Zapata I ? I mentioned it in another recent post as a horrible decision.

I've only seen the 2nd fight where Chang absolutely rapes him, it's almost cartoonish, he literally runs him out fo the ring.

RE Yuh I have seen a couple of borderline-type decisions, i think Gamez 1 Dejesus 1, maybe Demarco too, but he was better in the rematch vs Gamez and Demarco(as he generally was)

i've got a hell of a lot of time for Yuh, i really respect fighters without much obvious talent or physical ability who just keep finding a way to win

if i were to try and define Yuh's style, 'he just keeps finding ways to win' would probably be the first words out of my mouth

[Seamus]

Ricardo Lopez vs Rosendo Alvarez I

1.10-9 RA
2.10-8 RA (Lopez down)
3.10-9 RA
4.10-9 RL
5.10-10 Even
6.10-10 Even
7.9-9 Even (1 pt taken from Alvarez for a headbutt)

Rosendo Alvarez 68-65

I wish it wasn't so, but I had Rosendo Alvarez
beating Ricardo Lopez on a technical decision after 7 rounds. Alvarez scored
a spectacular knockdown in the 2nd with a devastating right to Lopez's head,
which probably would have finished most competitors at this weight, but
Lopez proved his meddle by beating the count and then fighting his stronger
opponent on even terms the rest of the way. In this one though, I thought
Alvarez's power and pressure were enough to gain him the technical decision on my
card. One judge had Alvarez winning by 5 !

Ricardo Lopez vs Rosendo Alvarez II

R1.10-9 RL
R2.10-9 RL
R3.10-9 RA
R4.10-9 RA
R5.10-9 RL
R6.10-9 RL
R7.10-9 RL
R8.10-10 Even
R9.10-9 RL
R10.10-9 RL
R11.10-10 Even
R12.10-10 Even

Ricardo Lopez 118-113

This was Lopez at his absolute best, simply
refusing to be beaten by a stronger, harder hitting opponent. Alvarez was
competitive in nearly every round and made a tremendous fight of it, but
Finito just showed off too many weapons in his arsenal for him.

Seriously guys, no offense, but it baffles me
no end how we can have threads about guys like Mike the Bounty Hunter,
Marvis Frazier, and Alexander Zolkin, when we've got Ricardo Lopez, Rosendo
Alvarez and others who give you more excitement in 1 round than alot of
Heavyweights give you in 12.

[Seamus]

Jim Watt vs Sean O'Grady

R1.10-9 SO
R2.10-9 JW
R3.10-9 JW
R4.10-9 SO
R5.10-10 Even
R6.10-9 SO
R7.10-9 JW
R8.10-10 Even
R9.10-9 SO
R10.10-9 JW
R11.10-9 JW

Jim Watt 106-105 at time of the stoppage.

O'Grady was terribly unlucky to lose this
bout. By the 9th round he had Watt so bloody that his wife and kid left
there ringside seats, and a stoppage win for the American looked to be only
a round or two away, but in the 10th, O'Grady got the worst of what looked
like an unintentional clash of heads that opened a huge gash and immediately
changed the tempo of the bout. Watt's wife and kid returned, and the contest
was stopped in the 12th, with O'Grady now even bloodier than the Scotsman.

Rather strange buildup to the fight with some
Protestant extremist group threatening O'Grady's life, for posing with the
Celtic football team and sporting green trunks. Ironically, despite family
members having distinctly sounding Irish names, i,e Sean, Pat, Colleen, etc,
the O'Grady's were actually Baptists.


Masao Oba vs Betulio Gonzalez

R1.5-4 MO
R2.5-4 MO
R3.5-4 BG
R4.5-5 Even
R5.5-4 MO
R6.5-4 BG
R7.5-4 MO
R8.5-4 MO
R9.5-4 MO
R10.5-4 MO
R11.5-4 BG
R12.5-4 BG
R13.5-4 BG
R14.5-4 MO
R15.5-4 MO

Masao Oba 70-66

Tremendous non stop battle from 2 great little
men. Oba used a strong stiff jab to keep off Gonzalez who was a bundle of
constant energy from start to finish. Both fighters landed numerous hard
shots that both took well, but Oba came up big the final 2 rounds to take a
clear decision victory.

[Vladimir5555]

Seamus what do you say about fight with Peter Mathebula and Tae-Shik Kim?

For me Kim won this 144-141.

[Seamus]

Haven't seen it, I'll have to check it out. Is it a good fight ? Not many ones at the lighter weights

[Counter-puncher]

Haven't seen it, I'll have to check it out. Is it a good fight ? Not many ones at the lighter weights

said ironically?

[Seamus]

Wasn't fully awake when I posted that. I meant to say, not many bad ones at that weight. Can't think of any dull fights off hand below 118. Some that certainly weren't great, but never downright boring.

[Counter-puncher]

cool

[Vladimir5555]

Haven't seen it, I'll have to check it out. Is it a good fight ? Not many ones at the lighter weights

Very good fight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2A8TZHNbTE

Tae-Shik Kim vs Peter Mathebula (WBA World flyweight title)

13/12/1980

[Seamus]

Roberto Duran vs Ken Buchanan

R1.RD
R2.RD
R3.RD
R4.RD
R5.RD
R6.KB
R7.RD
R8.RD
R9.KB
R10.KB
R11.RD
R12.RD
R13.RD

Don't know if this was on the 5 or 10 pt must system, so I'd have it either 62-55 or 127-120 for Duran. I didn't give Duran a 2pt round in the first because Buchanan's glove just touched and he almost dropped Duran with a left hand counter shortly afterward. The 5th rd was closer to being a 2 pt rd for Duran. I think the pivotal point in this fight was Round 11. Buchanan started the rd well after winning the last 2 on my card, but Duran took over midway and that it was it for the rally. Buchanan showed some excellent boxing skills at times in this fight, but just couldn't keep Duran off.

[Seamus]

Roberto Duran vs Edwin Viruet I (non-title bout 1975)

R1.RD
R2.EV
R3.RD
R4.RD
R5.EV
R6.Even
R7.Even
R8.EV
R9.EV
R10.EV

Edwin Viruet 5-3-2

Brilliant performance by Edwin Viruet who boxed like a young Cassius Clay at times. He showed total composure and made Duran miss often and hit him with counters consistently. AND, there were plenty of boos when Duran got the decision. Over to you Elmer.