Jamie McDonnell splits with Dennis Hobson

[earsjohn]

Not sure if this is the right thread, but Lovely Eddie has just tweeted that a new signing will be unveiled at tomorrow's Barker v Sturm press conference.

Oh nice.

Stephen Smith is more likely, I'd think.

[Bard of Boxrec]

All I know about Dennis Hobson is he promoted Clinton Woods for a time.

Who is actually in his stable? What have been some of his biggest shows while he has been a promoter?

This guy has just seemed so peripheral on the promoting scene. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

[palooka]

Eddie 'The Harvester' Hearn.

Eddie 'Cherry Picker' Hearn

[earsjohn]

I recall reading that Hobson turned down the chance to have the Ceja fight broadcast live on Sky, because he didn't want to deal with Matchroom and wanted only to deal directly with Sky/Barney. A classic case of cutting off one'a nose to spite one's face - rather than take a smaller cut of a mediocre fee, he settled for 100% of fcuk all.

[lefty]

I recall reading that Hobson turned down the chance to have the Ceja fight broadcast live on Sky, because he didn't want to deal with Matchroom and wanted only to deal directly with Sky/Barney. A classic case of cutting off one'a nose to spite one's face - rather than take a smaller cut of a mediocre fee, he settled for 100% of fcuk all.

Yeah but why should a promoter have to take a smaller fee because another promoter has an exclusive deal? Matchroom would basically be getting a cut for doing fornicate all and I can understand if that was the case why Hobson wouldnt want to do that.

[palooka]

All I know about Dennis Hobson is he promoted Clinton Woods for a time.

Who is actually in his stable? What have been some of his biggest shows while he has been a promoter?

This guy has just seemed so peripheral on the promoting scene. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

He's as peripheral in Britain as anyone not Warren or Hearn and has a track record of building decent fighters into excellent fighters and getting them opportunities that were unexpected - he's also done that without having a massive stable, massive clout or friends in high places. There was a good article and interview in Boxing Monthly a month or 2 ago; I think I remember he was involved in boxing as he is a fan and enjoys the sport but imagine he feels hurt and used; fightacademy comes on here from time to time to promote fights and give out info - hope they come on here soon.

[lefty]

All I know about Dennis Hobson is he promoted Clinton Woods for a time.

Who is actually in his stable? What have been some of his biggest shows while he has been a promoter?

This guy has just seemed so peripheral on the promoting scene. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

He's as peripheral in Britain as anyone not Warren or Hearn and has a track record of building decent fighters into excellent fighters and getting them opportunities that were unexpected - he's also done that without having a massive stable, massive clout or friends in high places. There was a good article and interview in Boxing Monthly a month or 2 ago; I think I remember he was involved in boxing as he is a fan and enjoys the sport but imagine he feels hurt and used; fightacademy comes on here from time to time to promote fights and give out info - hope they come on here soon.

How did he get involved mate? I dont know much about him. Did you say he made money from owning scrap yards?

[palooka]

I recall reading that Hobson turned down the chance to have the Ceja fight broadcast live on Sky, because he didn't want to deal with Matchroom and wanted only to deal directly with Sky/Barney. A classic case of cutting off one'a nose to spite one's face - rather than take a smaller cut of a mediocre fee, he settled for 100% of fcuk all.

A middleman (Eddie) was being forced into a commercial activity and the (unwanted/uneeded) middleman wanted an unearned cut of the fee is another way of looking at it.

[palooka]

All I know about Dennis Hobson is he promoted Clinton Woods for a time.

Who is actually in his stable? What have been some of his biggest shows while he has been a promoter?

This guy has just seemed so peripheral on the promoting scene. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

He's as peripheral in Britain as anyone not Warren or Hearn and has a track record of building decent fighters into excellent fighters and getting them opportunities that were unexpected - he's also done that without having a massive stable, massive clout or friends in high places. There was a good article and interview in Boxing Monthly a month or 2 ago; I think I remember he was involved in boxing as he is a fan and enjoys the sport but imagine he feels hurt and used; fightacademy comes on here from time to time to promote fights and give out info - hope they come on here soon.

How did he get involved mate? I dont know much about him. Did you say he made money from owning scrap yards?

Yes and his dad was the hardest man in Sheffield in the 60's and 70's - he had scrap yards as well.

[earsjohn]

I recall reading that Hobson turned down the chance to have the Ceja fight broadcast live on Sky, because he didn't want to deal with Matchroom and wanted only to deal directly with Sky/Barney. A classic case of cutting off one'a nose to spite one's face - rather than take a smaller cut of a mediocre fee, he settled for 100% of fcuk all.

A middleman (Eddie) was being forced into a commercial activity and the (unwanted/uneeded) middleman wanted an unearned cut of the fee is another way of looking at it.

But, like it or not, that is the situation. Sky have, effectively, outsourced their boxing production - it's a standard practice in every other area of business. Hobson had two choices and it appears that his ego ruled his decision, and ultimately led to the current situation.

[mickey1975]

All I know about Dennis Hobson is he promoted Clinton Woods for a time.

Who is actually in his stable? What have been some of his biggest shows while he has been a promoter?

This guy has just seemed so peripheral on the promoting scene. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Hatton-Maussa is probably the biggest.

[palooka]

I recall reading that Hobson turned down the chance to have the Ceja fight broadcast live on Sky, because he didn't want to deal with Matchroom and wanted only to deal directly with Sky/Barney. A classic case of cutting off one'a nose to spite one's face - rather than take a smaller cut of a mediocre fee, he settled for 100% of fcuk all.

A middleman (Eddie) was being forced into a commercial activity and the (unwanted/uneeded) middleman wanted an unearned cut of the fee is another way of looking at it.

But, like it or not, that is the situation. Sky have, effectively, outsourced their boxing production - it's a standard practice in every other area of business. Hobson had two choices and it appears that his ego ruled his decision, and ultimately led to the current situation.

Or he acted with principles?

[bripez]

Sad to read this.

In his first 9 fights, Mcdonnell had won 8 and drawn one - he then lost his next 2 fights.

It is (or at least was) standard for all contracts with FW that if a boxer lost 2 consecustive fights then his contract was terminated.

A bit like duke McKenzie, at his weight he is never going to get massive popularity from the mainstream man in the street - and he doesn't seem to have the personality for that anyway.

[JimStone]

...A bit like duke McKenzie, at his weight he is never going to get massive popularity from the mainstream man in the street - and he doesn't seem to have the personality for that anyway.

Hand on heart, I'd never heard of him until I read this thread.

[palooka]

...A bit like duke McKenzie, at his weight he is never going to get massive popularity from the mainstream man in the street - and he doesn't seem to have the personality for that anyway.

Hand on heart, I'd never heard of him until I read this thread.

That's the promoters fault, if he'd have done his job properly everyone in the world would have known who McDonnell is and tickets for his fights would have gone faster than tickets for Glastonbury.

[spudder56]

P T Barnum couldn't have got him better than a world title fight in his hometown - undefeated Julio Ceja flew 5000 miles out of his comfort zone and Jamie went off the next day for a fortnights holiday - not bothering with any media or interviews whatsoever - not everything can be parked at the promoters door./

Too true. Eddie gobshite Hearn let's another promoter do all the hard work, then steps in with his exclusive Sky TV deal ( big thanks to numbnuts Adam Smith ) and cherry picks yet another ready made world champion.

Well done Adam Smith, that exclusive TV deal for the Hearns family is really helping British boxing: creates a level playing field, encourages competition and ensures all the UK promoters get a fair crack of the whip.

spot on mate

[Jack B]

I'll be honest, I don't know the ins and outs of McDonnell's career and his relationship with Hobson, but from the outside looking in I can see both sides of the story.

What's disappointing is that all ties seem to have been severed. I can understand JM wanting to raise his profile and fight on a more recognised TV channel, i.e. Sky (I guess we're all presuming he's going down that route), and surely Dennis realises it's not good for him to boxing on Primetime in front of a minuscule audience..... but I don't understand why he couldn't have stayed on in a managerial capacity? That would have made the most sense to me. A bit like Chris Sanigar, who does small hall shows in the south west, manages Lee Selby under the Matchroom promotional banner.

[spudder56]

I'll be honest, I don't know the ins and outs of McDonnell's career and his relationship with Hobson, but from the outside looking in I can see both sides of the story.

What's disappointing is that all ties seem to have been severed. I can understand JM wanting to raise his profile and fight on a more recognised TV channel, i.e. Sky (I guess we're all presuming he's going down that route), and surely Dennis realises it's not good for him to boxing on Primetime in front of a minuscule audience..... but I don't understand why he couldn't have stayed on in a managerial capacity? That would have made the most sense to me. A bit like Chris Sanigar, who does small hall shows in the south west, manages Lee Selby under the Matchroom promotional banner.

X2 Dennis has been treated very badly here I believe he has spent a lot of money on Jamie and he gets cast aside I have met Dennis and his father a few times and I have always found them to be ok and tbh I am appalled if it's true that Jamie has walked away from them completely but having said that boxing is a filthy game at times so nothing new can ever come to my eyes and ears

[expe]

I wonder who........

"Time to put the hustle behind this muscle!"

More like

Someone please chop his fvcking finger off.

[lefty]

I wonder who........

"Time to put the hustle behind this muscle!"

More like

Someone please chop his fvcking finger off.[/quote]

You and I are FW worshippers apparantly.

[expe]

I recall reading that Hobson turned down the chance to have the Ceja fight broadcast live on Sky, because he didn't want to deal with Matchroom and wanted only to deal directly with Sky/Barney. A classic case of cutting off one'a nose to spite one's face - rather than take a smaller cut of a mediocre fee, he settled for 100% of fcuk all.

A middleman (Eddie) was being forced into a commercial activity and the (unwanted/uneeded) middleman wanted an unearned cut of the fee is another way of looking at it.

But, like it or not, that is the situation. Sky have, effectively, outsourced their boxing production - it's a standard practice in every other area of business. Hobson had two choices and it appears that his ego ruled his decision, and ultimately led to the current situation.

They still have to film the show and send a production team, all that would happen would be that Matchroom would co-promote and get a share of the profits (I don't think there were any) for doing precisely fvck all, how is that fair?

[Final round]

Eddie 'The Harvester' Hearn.

Eddie 'Cherry Picker' Hearn

Eddie 'The Poacher' Hearn was last seen shimmying over Farmer Hobson's wall with his prize winner over his shoulder.
Extra security has been apparently been installed at Farmer Warrenz after his entire stable was ransacked.

[expe]

I wonder who........

"Time to put the hustle behind this muscle!"

More like

Someone please chop his fvcking finger off.[/quote]

You and I are FW worshippers apparantly.[/quote]

[squared circle]

Two sides to every story. Hobson shelled out ££££ to get him a shot at home, but the problem is nobody saw it. I don't think it's unreasonable for McDonnell to be asking questions. He's one of 4 world titleholders in the UK - his profile is miles below the other 3. How many people will have watched the Ceja fight? 10,000?

The timing is strange/poor given last week's announcement that DH had linked up with Queensbury/BN - but then Jamie has stated he knew nothing about that proposed deal. Either he's lying or it's poor communication from Hobson, as surely he would want/need to keep JM informed of any proposed agreement throughout every stage of negotiations.

I can't blame McDonnell for wanting to fight for Matchroom. It's by the far the best option for any UK boxer at the moment. I'm just surprised he couldn't do a deal and keep Dennis as his manager.

But all 4 of our other world titleists ( not the three you state??) are all match room boys. No other promoter can currently compete with that so Jamie is never going to be as high profile surely??

[expe]

Two sides to every story. Hobson shelled out ££££ to get him a shot at home, but the problem is nobody saw it. I don't think it's unreasonable for McDonnell to be asking questions. He's one of 4 world titleholders in the UK - his profile is miles below the other 3. How many people will have watched the Ceja fight? 10,000?

The timing is strange/poor given last week's announcement that DH had linked up with Queensbury/BN - but then Jamie has stated he knew nothing about that proposed deal. Either he's lying or it's poor communication from Hobson, as surely he would want/need to keep JM informed of any proposed agreement throughout every stage of negotiations.

I can't blame McDonnell for wanting to fight for Matchroom. It's by the far the best option for any UK boxer at the moment. I'm just surprised he couldn't do a deal and keep Dennis as his manager.

But all 4 of our other works titleists ( not the three you state??) are all match room boys. No other promoter can currently compete with that so Jamie is never going to be as high profile surely??

It didn't help that a day after he won the title, he fvcked off to Turkey, did no interviews and wasted his biggest opportunity to promote himself.