"Young Cassius' made a bold prediction in the Newspapers, claiming that he could
beat Eddie Machen , and right now.
But a follow up interview had Cassius backtracking on his earlier statement,
as 'Young Cassius' said he was misquoted, and that he really said that
he 'thought' he could 'stay with' Eddie Machen right now.
I did a search of your quote and it takes me back to, alas, your quote:
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2 hours ago - "Young Cassius' made a bold prediction in the Newspapers, claiming that could beat Eddie Machen , and right now. But a follow up interview had Cassius backtracking on his earlier ... as 'Young Cassius' said he was misquoted, and that he really said that he 'thought' he could be Eddie Machen right now.
Il Duce wrote:Eddie Machen's Manager - Sid Flaherty made a statement that Eddie would take on
Cassius Clay 'immediately', if that 'kid' wanted to end his unbeaten streak in California.
The Fight Promoters {United World Enterprises} were hoping to match 'Young Cassius' against
Eddie for a possible September 1962 date.
They were trying to build up a future bout.
But, Cassius put his foot in his mouth, and was called out by Sid Flaherty.
Eddie went to the Main Street Gym to challenge Cassius in front of a few Newspaper Reporters,
but Cassius' Manager {William Faversham} called off the session, and Cassius stayed away
from the Gym that day.
I challenge my fellow boxrec members to do a search of your quote. I did and this is what I discovered:
Il Duce I'm not a fan of when you speak the truth.....because I know you do it just so's you can sell your swamplands as if they are prime real estate when you make your other pitches.
and.....Timing is everything...and although at their mutual peaks it's a likely forgone conclusion....I'm in agreement that Eddie just might have been the best in the world at that moment.
Let's not forget that a few years later, an older less capable version of Eddie beat Quarry and had Frazier on Queer street. Not that he's going KO Ali...but he could hold his own and perhaps then some on that day.
Eddie Machen was a player at that time....I think it's possible he could have beat Liston with another go at it. Maybe not as effectivel as Ali beat Liston but he had a shot.
Also Styles make fights....Machen would have been a tougher nut to crack than Liston for that time period. I suggest his style would have been more of a challenge. I'm not saying Machen would win, I am saying that he was the single biggest risk that Ali could have taken on. And he had the best chance of anyone at that time. A win over Machen at that time might have been one of the few genuine opportunities to shut even a crackpot like you up on this subject. For all the "missed opportunities" to show that he was the very best...this is the single most arguable point. But still.....prime for prime...no contest.
bennie wrote:The sad thing is that Duce actually cares that Clay apparently lost face.
Nobody lost face. The only thing true in this work of fiction is that Clay/Ali and Machen were boxers and might have been potential combatants against one another in the time period discussed.
I encourage you or anybody to verify what posters write on this board.
One....it may well be that his group recognized Eddie for the talent that he was.
Apparently this equates in Il Duce's mind as Clay was afraid.
This is what is so flabbergasting about Duce's work. His imagination is so rich, he can't find his way back to the dimension of reality. Like the folks who saw the "face on mars" he connects some facts (such as the shadows, angles of light, and mountain shapes of those martian hilltops) and then "sees facelike reflections" and then reports that the "faces" are actually fabricated with intent.
Even if they are only produced by geometric shapes, combined with lighting, and shadows, and angles.
BoxBuzz wrote:One....it may well be that his group recognized Eddie for the talent that he was.
Apparently this equates in Il Duce's mind as Clay was afraid.
This is what is so flabbergasting about Duce's work. His imagination is so rich, he can't find his way back to the dimension of reality. Like the folks who saw the "face on mars" he connects some facts (such as the shadows, angles of light, and mountain shapes of those martian hilltops) and then "sees facelike reflections" and then reports that the "faces" are actually fabricated with intent.
Even if they are only produced by geometric shapes, combined with lighting, and shadows, and angles.
Would you concur?
Machen would be a tough bout. Why doesn't the chap just say so instead of embroidering this fantastic tale?
bennie wrote:The sad thing is that Duce actually cares that Clay apparently lost face.
Bennie, based on Il Duce's picture response... this does appear to be true.....and when added to One's observation it goes something like this.....
He appears to care that young Cassius lost face even within his/a/any fictional scenario.
Pretty Pathetic,
Tying to break down and analyze someone else's statement.
What are you, a Doctor or something.
Maybe he plays one on tv?
Look you consistently claim innocence in what by any measure appears to be a very focused attack by innuendo, suggestion, and an occasional strained/tortured connecting of the dots of facts.
What you describe as "pretty pathetic" is what many/most if not all see as the purpose of your contributions...
