I don't blame Anthony for the Mosely debacle. What I question is why the promoter thought that this fight could possibly generate the amount of money needed to pay each fighter a million dollars each. It never made sense.
Also on another matter I follow Billy Dib on twitter, I like him and admire his work ethic, as I do Anthony's but Billy tweeted the other week something like
"Why don't Aussies get behind Mundine? "
I can't believe he doesn't know.
I want to like him he has a social conscious but I will Never forgive him for the disrespect he has shown opponents, and even their families. That's why Billy. Anyway I hope Anthony gets Mosely in the US and I also hope The great Jeff Fenech gets some of his money back
I don't blame Mundine
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http://www.news.com.au/sport/boxing-mma ... 6745799868
Sugar Shane Mosley slams Australian boxing as 'mafia' after failed Anthony Mundine fight
SUGAR Shane Mosley has likened Australian boxing to "the mafia days" - an indication of just how far the sport has tumbled in the past decade.
As revealed exclusively by The Daily Telegraph, ageing US great Mosley walked out on his Sydney fight with Anthony Mundine - scheduled for last night - after remaining payments on his $1 million purse were not met.
Asked about the debacle upon returning to Los Angeles, Mosley compared the Australian fight scene to being "like the mafia days" - admitting to fearing the Mundine fight was set be swayed by dodgy referees, officials and illegal betting.
One of the greatest fighters of the modern era also confirmed reports in The Daily Telegraph today that he would not be returning for a proposed card, to be promoted by Team Mundine, in Brisbane on December 4.
"It seems like they're still behind the times with their boxing - it's like the mafia days,'' future Hall of Famer Mosley said in an interview with spam.com.
Sugar
Sugar Shane Mosley arriving at Los Angeles Airport after pulling out from the fight with Anthony Mundine. Picture: Rupert Thorpe
"I'm hearing that people watch the judges; they're sitting behind them looking at them while they mark their scores and shit.
"Their commission is not really strong like ours, so it's like anything goes. That's what I kept hearing."
Mosley said he was not convinced he would be paid the rest of his purse and added: "And then the referees and judges; I don't know who they were. I think they were Aborigine refs and judges or something.
"It was bootleg. I was like, 'Naw, y'all crazy. Y'all trippin'. So I was instructed to get on the plane and get my ass back because it ain't happening."
Mosley also said he feared "being stiffed" when members of Team Mundine phoned him at Sydney airport, shortly before he departed, claiming they now had the $700,000 still owed to him.
"Even up until the fight, they didn't have the money," he said.
Anthony Mundine Shane Mosley
Anthony Mundine and Shane Mosley all smiles after their pre-fight press conference in Sydney. Picture: Nic Gibson
"I'm at the airport and Anthony Mundine's manager was trying to call me, but he ended up getting (partner) Bella (Gonzalez) on the phone. He's telling her, 'Tell Shane don't leave. We have the $700,000 now'.
"Bella was like, 'We're about to board the plane right now'. We're at the airport, bags ready to go, and he's talking about don't leave.
"It was contracted that they have it 10 days before the fight. I waited 10, 9 all the way to 3 days before the fight, and they still didn't have the money.
"It's a breach of contract. Vlad (Warton) and Millenium breached the contract. We tried; Golden Boy (Promotions) tried ... We were about to get stiffed."
Mosley said embattled promoter Warton had promised to have the $700,000 still owing on his purse paid 10 days before the fight.
"They were supposed to give me $700,000 before I entered the ring 10 days before the fight," he said
Shane Mosley's walk out on Anthony Mundine isn't the first time professional boxing has descended into farce, with a number of incidents in recent year's tarnishing the sport's reputation.
"He (Warton) couldn't be found. He was trying to get the money, the $700,000. So what was going on is he wouldn't answer them until the last minute.
"And by the way, they only sold 1500 seats, and that was like a day before the weigh-in, so that means that they didn't even have enough to pay me let alone Anthony Mundine, so what are they gonna pay?"
Mosley said he was unaware until later than the $300,000 he was paid was provided by Australian fight legend Jeff Fenech, who is out of pocket about $460,000 from the failed bout. Mosley said the payment plan seemed shady from the outset.
"They're talking about a line of credit and then Jeff threw some money up, so he has an investment in it, and then you have this other guy who's going to pay a little bit, $200,000," he said.
Mundine hopes to save Mosley bout 0:48
Anthony Mundine says he hopes his aborted fight with Shane Mosley can be resurrected later in the year.
"All these people gotta get their money back, so how are they gonna do that. That's crazy. It was a whole bunch of underground bull. The end result was not going to be good. Win, lose or draw, the end result was not going to be good."
Sugar Shane Mosley slams Australian boxing as 'mafia' after failed Anthony Mundine fight
SUGAR Shane Mosley has likened Australian boxing to "the mafia days" - an indication of just how far the sport has tumbled in the past decade.
As revealed exclusively by The Daily Telegraph, ageing US great Mosley walked out on his Sydney fight with Anthony Mundine - scheduled for last night - after remaining payments on his $1 million purse were not met.
Asked about the debacle upon returning to Los Angeles, Mosley compared the Australian fight scene to being "like the mafia days" - admitting to fearing the Mundine fight was set be swayed by dodgy referees, officials and illegal betting.
One of the greatest fighters of the modern era also confirmed reports in The Daily Telegraph today that he would not be returning for a proposed card, to be promoted by Team Mundine, in Brisbane on December 4.
"It seems like they're still behind the times with their boxing - it's like the mafia days,'' future Hall of Famer Mosley said in an interview with spam.com.
Sugar
Sugar Shane Mosley arriving at Los Angeles Airport after pulling out from the fight with Anthony Mundine. Picture: Rupert Thorpe
"I'm hearing that people watch the judges; they're sitting behind them looking at them while they mark their scores and shit.
"Their commission is not really strong like ours, so it's like anything goes. That's what I kept hearing."
Mosley said he was not convinced he would be paid the rest of his purse and added: "And then the referees and judges; I don't know who they were. I think they were Aborigine refs and judges or something.
"It was bootleg. I was like, 'Naw, y'all crazy. Y'all trippin'. So I was instructed to get on the plane and get my ass back because it ain't happening."
Mosley also said he feared "being stiffed" when members of Team Mundine phoned him at Sydney airport, shortly before he departed, claiming they now had the $700,000 still owed to him.
"Even up until the fight, they didn't have the money," he said.
Anthony Mundine Shane Mosley
Anthony Mundine and Shane Mosley all smiles after their pre-fight press conference in Sydney. Picture: Nic Gibson
"I'm at the airport and Anthony Mundine's manager was trying to call me, but he ended up getting (partner) Bella (Gonzalez) on the phone. He's telling her, 'Tell Shane don't leave. We have the $700,000 now'.
"Bella was like, 'We're about to board the plane right now'. We're at the airport, bags ready to go, and he's talking about don't leave.
"It was contracted that they have it 10 days before the fight. I waited 10, 9 all the way to 3 days before the fight, and they still didn't have the money.
"It's a breach of contract. Vlad (Warton) and Millenium breached the contract. We tried; Golden Boy (Promotions) tried ... We were about to get stiffed."
Mosley said embattled promoter Warton had promised to have the $700,000 still owing on his purse paid 10 days before the fight.
"They were supposed to give me $700,000 before I entered the ring 10 days before the fight," he said
Shane Mosley's walk out on Anthony Mundine isn't the first time professional boxing has descended into farce, with a number of incidents in recent year's tarnishing the sport's reputation.
"He (Warton) couldn't be found. He was trying to get the money, the $700,000. So what was going on is he wouldn't answer them until the last minute.
"And by the way, they only sold 1500 seats, and that was like a day before the weigh-in, so that means that they didn't even have enough to pay me let alone Anthony Mundine, so what are they gonna pay?"
Mosley said he was unaware until later than the $300,000 he was paid was provided by Australian fight legend Jeff Fenech, who is out of pocket about $460,000 from the failed bout. Mosley said the payment plan seemed shady from the outset.
"They're talking about a line of credit and then Jeff threw some money up, so he has an investment in it, and then you have this other guy who's going to pay a little bit, $200,000," he said.
Mundine hopes to save Mosley bout 0:48
Anthony Mundine says he hopes his aborted fight with Shane Mosley can be resurrected later in the year.
"All these people gotta get their money back, so how are they gonna do that. That's crazy. It was a whole bunch of underground bull. The end result was not going to be good. Win, lose or draw, the end result was not going to be good."
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Some of his comments are untrue, unwarranted and ain't doing him any favours
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Which ones? The guy had a contract which was not fulfilled
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Yeah, but what has that got to do with referee, judges NSW Authority & Oz boxing in general?
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I suspect he may have heard about Sonny Bill Williams V Frans Botha
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This is a classic case of Karma, where Mundine's years of chest-thumping, and playing the heel has come back and bitten him on the Khyber. He had his chances to man up overseas years ago, but was content to dish up dross by fighting lowly ranked Argies and co here.
The public are awake up to him and won't waste their hard earned on any of his future sideshows with his footie mates, eg. Dunny Bill, Quade Cooper and Blake Ferguson.
The public are awake up to him and won't waste their hard earned on any of his future sideshows with his footie mates, eg. Dunny Bill, Quade Cooper and Blake Ferguson.
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One would think a bloke of his stature would be smarter that that :(I think they were Aborigine refs and judges or something.
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madball1982
- Heavyweight
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Re: I don't blame Mundine
Wasn't part of the reason Mundine fought in Qld a few times so that he could get fights sanctioned there he couldn't anywhere else?
It's a well-known rumour that Mundine has had "advisors" to the judges at fights before.
And how many cards has Mundine had where the scores have been a bit skewered?
Now I don't know how much of what's happened over the years is true and what isn't, but there always seems to be something fishy about a Mundine fight. Shane has just been informed of what most of Australia has been hearing for a long time now.
But the bottom line is that Shane wasn't paid - so he's well within his rights to pack up and go home.
It's just a shame that the Mundine side-show continues to roll-on.
It's a well-known rumour that Mundine has had "advisors" to the judges at fights before.
And how many cards has Mundine had where the scores have been a bit skewered?
Now I don't know how much of what's happened over the years is true and what isn't, but there always seems to be something fishy about a Mundine fight. Shane has just been informed of what most of Australia has been hearing for a long time now.
But the bottom line is that Shane wasn't paid - so he's well within his rights to pack up and go home.
It's just a shame that the Mundine side-show continues to roll-on.
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Aust State regulators only sanction their State titles and for legal reasons, don't approve/disapprove other matchups.Wasn't part of the reason Mundine fought in Qld a few times so that he could get fights sanctioned there he couldn't anywhere else?
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Whoever is to blame this is a big black eye for the sport in this country. Guys such as Johnny Lewis have said it.
We aren't talking about pissing off some fighter who's ranked 20 in the world and be nowhere. This is Shane Mosley, part of one of if not the biggest boxing promotional companies in the world. when he makes comments such as those, warranted or not, people tend to listen.
We aren't talking about pissing off some fighter who's ranked 20 in the world and be nowhere. This is Shane Mosley, part of one of if not the biggest boxing promotional companies in the world. when he makes comments such as those, warranted or not, people tend to listen.
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Yep! But if he's going to comment, he should resort to educated & not spits. I find his comment re referee & judges quite offensive & I'm a Slovenia born Aussie, and I'm not related to indigenous Australian. Maybe his management should instruct him to seek its publicist's advice before he opens his trap??
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offensive or not.....wat comments can u say r definately not right
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because he makes it seem as though the shady things that may have happened, is the norm for all our fights. he should choose his words more carefully when saying things like that. it tarnishes the many, many legit fighters, fights, events etc.
when those words come from a guy who has fought many times in las vegas, its a bit hypocritical imo. some of the best classic rip-off decisions have occurred there. so he should not be boasting about how inferior we might be, when his own backyard stinks.
when those words come from a guy who has fought many times in las vegas, its a bit hypocritical imo. some of the best classic rip-off decisions have occurred there. so he should not be boasting about how inferior we might be, when his own backyard stinks.
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Bullshit, Sugar Shane knows what's good!
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JediKnight
- Cruiserweight
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I've been in Australia 5 years and every marquee fight held here in that time has had a black cloud over it.buster007 wrote:because he makes it seem as though the shady things that may have happened, is the norm for all our fights. he should choose his words more carefully when saying things like that. it tarnishes the many, many legit fighters, fights, events etc.
when those words come from a guy who has fought many times in las vegas, its a bit hypocritical imo. some of the best classic rip-off decisions have occurred there. so he should not be boasting about how inferior we might be, when his own backyard stinks.
Green v Jones
Sbw v Botha
Green v Briggs?
tarver failing a drugs test one fight after beating green.
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green jones was just sour grapes by roy. what has tarvers next fight have to do with oz boxing ffs? that's ludicrous, pmsl.
so that leaves 2. nice try though.
it still is a stupid thing to say when u accuse the whole oz boxing industry cause of 2 fights. his own vegas has a fight outcome that stinks, every week. he is the last person who should be boasting. did I mention that he himself, who is a drug cheat has little credibility either.
so that leaves 2. nice try though.
it still is a stupid thing to say when u accuse the whole oz boxing industry cause of 2 fights. his own vegas has a fight outcome that stinks, every week. he is the last person who should be boasting. did I mention that he himself, who is a drug cheat has little credibility either.
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Pretty hard to talk about bad decisions when we are defending Aussie boxing.buster007 wrote:because he makes it seem as though the shady things that may have happened, is the norm for all our fights. he should choose his words more carefully when saying things like that. it tarnishes the many, many legit fighters, fights, events etc.
when those words come from a guy who has fought many times in las vegas, its a bit hypocritical imo. some of the best classic rip-off decisions have occurred there. so he should not be boasting about how inferior we might be, when his own backyard stinks.
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JediKnight
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The media jumped all over it. Green was harping on about a rematch and I'm pretty sure I read on here and newspapers a number of comments about the IBO should give the belt back (Sour Grapes?)buster007 wrote:what has tarvers next fight have to do with oz boxing ffs?
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tarvers positive does not tarnish oz boxing one bit.
u r getting desperate by using it as an argument.
u r getting desperate by using it as an argument.
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bogan whisperer
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Re: I don't blame Mundine
Never mind a million dollars each. The fight didn't sell at all and I think Mundine's days as a drawcard are over.Grant wrote:I don't blame Anthony for the Mosely debacle. What I question is why the promoter thought that this fight could possibly generate the amount of money needed to pay each fighter a million dollars each. It never made sense.
Also on another matter I follow Billy Dib on twitter, I like him and admire his work ethic, as I do Anthony's but Billy tweeted the other week something like
"Why don't Aussies get behind Mundine? "
I can't believe he doesn't know.
I want to like him he has a social conscious but I will Never forgive him for the disrespect he has shown opponents, and even their families. That's why Billy. Anyway I hope Anthony gets Mosely in the US and I also hope The great Jeff Fenech gets some of his money back
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Yeah it's common knowledge we have the weakest drug testing procedures in boxing. There might of been no drug testing for the Tarver-Green fight because Green was the IBO cash cow and trains at a gym with a guy friendly with underworld figures and a steroid advocator. Tony Doherty and may or may not be on them himself.JediKnight wrote:I've been in Australia 5 years and every marquee fight held here in that time has had a black cloud over it.buster007 wrote:because he makes it seem as though the shady things that may have happened, is the norm for all our fights. he should choose his words more carefully when saying things like that. it tarnishes the many, many legit fighters, fights, events etc.
when those words come from a guy who has fought many times in las vegas, its a bit hypocritical imo. some of the best classic rip-off decisions have occurred there. so he should not be boasting about how inferior we might be, when his own backyard stinks.
Green v Jones
Sbw v Botha
Green v Briggs?
tarver failing a drugs test one fight after beating green.
http://www.virtualnightclub.com.au/virt ... se-in-afl/
I think you may be right about the loaded gloves with RJJ too. I did think it was a excuse by Roy to save the Hopkins rematch but considering Greens next 3 world title fight opponents approved by the IBO it is certainly plausible. SBW v Botha was not a marquee fight mate it was a part of the Khoder Nasser circus.
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1) Any drug testing comes under the local commission, NOT the IBO. The IBO asked about drug testing for the Tarver bout, but the CSA NSW advised none would be done.DA GOOSE wrote:Yeah it's common knowledge we have the weakest drug testing procedures in boxing. There might of been no drug testing for the Tarver-Green fight because Green was the IBO cash cow and trains at a gym with a guy friendly with underworld figures and a steroid advocator. Tony Doherty and may or may not be on them himself.JediKnight wrote:I've been in Australia 5 years and every marquee fight held here in that time has had a black cloud over it.buster007 wrote:because he makes it seem as though the shady things that may have happened, is the norm for all our fights. he should choose his words more carefully when saying things like that. it tarnishes the many, many legit fighters, fights, events etc.
when those words come from a guy who has fought many times in las vegas, its a bit hypocritical imo. some of the best classic rip-off decisions have occurred there. so he should not be boasting about how inferior we might be, when his own backyard stinks.
Green v Jones
Sbw v Botha
Green v Briggs?
tarver failing a drugs test one fight after beating green.
http://www.virtualnightclub.com.au/virt ... se-in-afl/
I think you may be right about the loaded gloves with RJJ too. I did think it was a excuse by Roy to save the Hopkins rematch but considering Greens next 3 world title fight opponents approved by the IBO it is certainly plausible. SBW v Botha was not a marquee fight mate it was a part of the Khoder Nasser circus.
2) The protest following the Jones fight was sour grapes and that alone (well apart from wasting Jones' money on legal fees), the hearing found that no illegal wraps were used, nor were there any such thing as loaded gloves in the fight.
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Monty a hearing found Paul Briggs not guilty of taking part in a sham contest or taking a dive and returned his $75,000 fine.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinod ... l%20briggs
But we all know he did. I trust nothing concerning Danny Green and the IBO in Australia. Not saying his gloves were definitely loaded but considering his fights with the IBO since then it's not entirely unreasonable to make that assumption.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinod ... l%20briggs
But we all know he did. I trust nothing concerning Danny Green and the IBO in Australia. Not saying his gloves were definitely loaded but considering his fights with the IBO since then it's not entirely unreasonable to make that assumption.