Rudi Lubbers 'I Could Have Defeated George Foreman'

[gilgamesh]

Rudi Lubbers,

Did not lose every Round.

The 'first' real good Round that Muhammad Ali had was Round 7..........

I had it 9-1-2 in Rounds, but Rudi was 'competitive', for what he brought to the table.

Don't you think.........

No doubt he performed as well as he possibly could have, and going the distance with Ali is nothing to take lightly as I said, but it certainly doesn't make Rudi Lubbers a great fighter that could've duplicated Ali's performance against Foreman in Zaire because he lasted 12 rounds with him.

I have no doubt that Lubbers was one of the better fighters out of Holland in the 1970's...hell maybe the very best.

And he put up a game effort against a fighter who was leaps and bounds beyond anything he ever could be. That's something to be proud of, but that's pretty much Lubbers only claim to fame.

Given the other 7 guys that beat him, I think it's safe to say he couldn't beat any of the Top fighters in the world from the 1970's.

He couldn't beat Joe Bugner...and Joe Bugner wasn't on the level of a guy like Foreman, or Ali either.

[ThatOne]

Google search turned up

No results found for Newspaper Articles In 'Algemeen Daglsad' {Rotterdam, South Holland} May 1974, June 1974, August 1974 and November 1974.

You won't find them on Google.

You have to have the actual {dated} Newspapers, which I have.

The only time Rudi was 'shaken' was in Round 10, but he came right back after Muhammad
and landed a great right-hand to the left side of his face.

The Reg Gutteridge 'corner interview' was blown out of proportion, and Muhammad only had a few
words with the Ringside Journalist between a Few Rounds.

You have to have the actual {dated} Newspapers, which I have.

Then take a photo of it, upload it, and put it on this site. I will even send you $50.00 for the effort.

[ThatOne]

"I have no doubt that Lubbers was one of the better fighters out of Holland in the 1970's."

-gilgamesh"

That's like saying some fella is the richest man in Zimbabwe.

[evrenb]

Google search turned up

No results found for Newspaper Articles In 'Algemeen Daglsad' {Rotterdam, South Holland} May 1974, June 1974, August 1974 and November 1974.

You won't find them on Google.

You have to have the actual {dated} Newspapers, which I have.

The only time Rudi was 'shaken' was in Round 10, but he came right back after Muhammad
and landed a great right-hand to the left side of his face.

The Reg Gutteridge 'corner interview' was blown out of proportion, and Muhammad only had a few
words with the Ringside Journalist between a Few Rounds.

I have footage of those between round interviews...im not sure they are on youtube? I will be verifying...Thing is Il Duce your lies get found out so often and you do not address that you have been found out. Just continue with the same old bs pattern...while you keep the forum going because you annoy so many people and they log on to 'go to battle with you' to contest your bs but the tragedy is you have put off some very valuable historians and experts from visiting this site...what a shame.
So what you have is a forum where people give their opinions and unfortunately a forum littered with un truths and lies....hardly a viable source for information but rather a ' childrens chalkboard'. ..

[ThatOne]

Google search turned up

No results found for Newspaper Articles In 'Algemeen Daglsad' {Rotterdam, South Holland} May 1974, June 1974, August 1974 and November 1974.

You won't find them on Google.

You have to have the actual {dated} Newspapers, which I have.

The only time Rudi was 'shaken' was in Round 10, but he came right back after Muhammad
and landed a great right-hand to the left side of his face.

The Reg Gutteridge 'corner interview' was blown out of proportion, and Muhammad only had a few
words with the Ringside Journalist between a Few Rounds.

I have footage of those between round interviews...im not sure they are on youtube? I will be verifying...Thing is Il Duce your lies get found out so often and you do not address that you have been found out. Just continue with the same old bs pattern...while you keep the forum going because you annoy so many people and they log on to 'go to battle with you' to contest your bs but the tragedy is you have put off some very valuable historians and experts from visiting this site...what a shame.
So what you have is a forum where people give their opinions and unfortunately a forum littered with un truths and lies....hardly a viable source for information but rather a ' childrens chalkboard'. ..

I don't think, hope not, Duce is deterring folks from visiting this site. They realize what his work is and it's fiction. I do think he alienates people when he injects it into ongoing threads . But as long as he starts his alternate history threads I don't see a huge problem.

[evrenb]

No results found for Newspaper Articles In 'Algemeen Daglsad' {Rotterdam, South Holland} May 1974, June 1974, August 1974 and November 1974.[/quote]


You won't find them on Google.

You have to have the actual {dated} Newspapers, which I have.

The only time Rudi was 'shaken' was in Round 10, but he came right back after Muhammad
and landed a great right-hand to the left side of his face.

The Reg Gutteridge 'corner interview' was blown out of proportion, and Muhammad only had a few
words with the Ringside Journalist between a Few Rounds.[/quote]

I have footage of those between round interviews...im not sure they are on youtube? I will be verifying...Thing is Il Duce your lies get found out so often and you do not address that you have been found out. Just continue with the same old bs pattern...while you keep the forum going because you annoy so many people and they log on to 'go to battle with you' to contest your bs but the tragedy is you have put off some very valuable historians and experts from visiting this site...what a shame.
So what you have is a forum where people give their opinions and unfortunately a forum littered with un truths and lies....hardly a viable source for information but rather a ' childrens chalkboard'. ..[/quote]


I don't think, hope not, Duce is deterring folks from visiting this site. They realize what his work is and it's fiction. I do think he alienates people when he injects it into ongoing threads . But as long as he starts his alternate history threads I don't see a huge problem.[/quote]

Well it has...certainly visiting the site a lot less...im.no expert but I have had a belly full and Im out of here to go to a site where Il Duce isnt allowed. Im sure no one cares anyway....

[ThatOne]

I hope Evan doesn't leave...

Duce is just being Duce; a frustrated novelist.

[gilgamesh]

"I have no doubt that Lubbers was one of the better fighters out of Holland in the 1970's."

-gilgamesh"

That's like saying some fella is the richest man in Zimbabwe.

I know.

I'm just trying to keep it in perspective. Rudi Lubbers is not a bad individual (at least I don't think he is), just because of the crap Duce says about him or claims he said.

I'm not going to let one man's lies about somebody allow me to have an undeserved negative opinion of him. It wouldn't be fair to Mr. Lubbers. Who has done nothing wrong himself and probably wouldn't agree with much of anything Duce has said either.

[ThatOne]

"I have no doubt that Lubbers was one of the better fighters out of Holland in the 1970's."

-gilgamesh"

That's like saying some fella is the richest man in Zimbabwe.

I know.

I'm just trying to keep it in perspective. Rudi Lubbers is not a bad individual (at least I don't think he is), just because of the crap Duce says about him or claims he said.

I'm not going to let one man's lies about somebody allow me to have an undeserved negative opinion of him. It wouldn't be fair to Mr. Lubbers. Who has done nothing wrong himself and probably wouldn't agree with much of anything Duce has said either.

He would probably get a chuckle from this thread.

"I gave Muhammad Ali the 'blueprint' on how to beat George Foreman."

"Lean and roll, slide and ride."

-Rudi Lubbers
The Beast Of Belgium

DD DD DD

[gilgamesh]

Rudi Lubbers,,,,,,,,,is 'The Dutch Master'

Jean-Pierre Coopmans.........is 'The Belgian Beast'

Fact,

In July 1975, Joe Bugner said that the only 'two' fighters that hit harder than Rudi Lubbers.

Were,,,,,,,,,,,,,Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali

[gilgamesh]

Type in,

Rudi Lubbers and Domenico Adinolfi, July 30, 1975

Yep,,,,,,,,,,'Hungarian Joe' said Rudi was #3..........

Adinolfi knocked out Lubbers in 2 rounds in a bout for the European Light Heavyweight Title.

I think it's safe to say that most all ranked Heavyweights in the 1970's packed a harder punch than Mr. Lubbers.

28-8 with 13 KO's is not a puncher's record. His KO percentage is well under 50%.

People who's KO's percentages are less than 50% are rarely ever considered to be big punchers.

Hell Ali isn't even considered to be a big puncher, he's considered to be a great fighter who could hit hard enough to get the job done, but most all of his contemporaries in the 70's are considered bigger punchers.

[ThatOne]

Type in,

Rudi Lubbers and Domenico Adinolfi, July 30, 1975

Yep,,,,,,,,,,'Hungarian Joe' said Rudi was #3..........

Adinolfi knocked out Lubbers in 2 rounds in a bout for the European Light Heavyweight Title.

I think it's safe to say that most all ranked Heavyweights in the 1970's packed a harder punch than Mr. Lubbers.

28-8 with 13 KO's is not a puncher's record. His KO percentage is well under 50%.

People who's KO's percentages are less than 50% are rarely ever considered to be big punchers.

Hell Ali isn't even considered to be a big puncher, he's considered to be a great fighter who could hit hard enough to get the job done, but most all of his contemporaries in the 70's are considered bigger punchers.

Ali could bang when he sat on his punches. Watch the Thrilla... He has Joe going backwards three or four steps in the thirteenth and fourteenth rounds. He could also cut a fighter to shreds.

Anyway, like the GOAT's protege says " you got a get a man drunk to roll him."

[gilgamesh]

Type in,

Rudi Lubbers and Domenico Adinolfi, July 30, 1975

Yep,,,,,,,,,,'Hungarian Joe' said Rudi was #3..........

Adinolfi knocked out Lubbers in 2 rounds in a bout for the European Light Heavyweight Title.

I think it's safe to say that most all ranked Heavyweights in the 1970's packed a harder punch than Mr. Lubbers.

28-8 with 13 KO's is not a puncher's record. His KO percentage is well under 50%.

People who's KO's percentages are less than 50% are rarely ever considered to be big punchers.

Hell Ali isn't even considered to be a big puncher, he's considered to be a great fighter who could hit hard enough to get the job done, but most all of his contemporaries in the 70's are considered bigger punchers.

Ali could bang when he sat on his punches. Watch the Thrilla... He has Joe going backwards three or four steps in the thirteenth and fourteenth rounds. He could also cut a fighter to shreds.

Anyway, like the GOAT's protege says " you got a get a man drunk to roll him."

I know he could punch when he wanted to. There was always a moment in most of his fights when he would stop just kinda flicking his punches out there, and start really putting some oomph behind them.

[gilgamesh]

I'm just following up on Joe Bugner's statement.........

I wouldn't want to get hit by a right-hand punch from Rudi Lubbers either.......

Would you WANT to get hit by a right hand by anybody?

Getting hit isn't necessarily pleasant even if the person throwing the punch doesn't hit hard.

[BoxBuzz]

Dutch Master?

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[gilgamesh]

Humphrey Bogart

"I never met a woman who didn't understand a smack in the mouth."

What does that have to do with anything?

[Lenny Cravats]

What is more 'irritating', the 'hate' for Ali, or the 'constant' and 'improper' use of these little 'chaps' around 'almost' 'every' 'word'?

[ThatOne]

Rudi Lubbers

A wild swinging, and erratic punching George Foreman could have very well punched himself
out against an elusive and awkward Rudi Lubbers in 1974.

Toe-to-Toe, it's no contest. But, given the fact that George was an undisciplined puncher, and
Rudi proved that he could last against the bigger men by making himself 'small', it's not
unfathomable that it could have happened.

Both Joe Bugner and Muhammad Ali hit Rudi with everything they had late in the bout, and
each time Rudi took the punches, and came back.

Neither Bugner nor Ali hit nearly as hard as George Foreman. Isn't that the point of this all?

[ThatOne]

If I'm Not Mistaken,

You dislike.........Rudi Lubbers.

I really had no opinion of the gentleman until you made him a cudgel to use against Muhammad Ali.

I think Ali and Bugner were a great fighter and a near great fighter but getting hit by either of those two gentlemen doesn't adequately prepare one for getting hit by George Foreman.

I once read an interesting account of the first Foreman-Frazier fight. It wasn't so much that Big George had penetrated Joe's bobbing and weaving attack it was that even though Joe was making him nearly miss a lot of his punches, even his grazing punches had shook his noggin.

[Giancarlo]

What is more 'irritating', the 'hate' for Ali, or the 'constant' and 'improper' use of these little 'chaps' around 'almost' 'every' 'word'?

How about his line 'And thats a fact, Jack' after a particularly stupid post?

The poor kids obviously retarded; I just hope he gets some help before he wastes his whole life fantasising about 'Clay'.

He ought to get out and experience the joy of poontang rather than whacking off over pictures of obscure 60's fighters.

[gilgamesh]

What is more 'irritating', the 'hate' for Ali, or the 'constant' and 'improper' use of these little 'chaps' around 'almost' 'every' 'word'?

How about his line 'And thats a fact, Jack' after a particularly stupid post?

The poor kids obviously retarded; I just hope he gets some help before he wastes his whole life fantasising about 'Clay'.

He ought to get out and experience the joy of poontang rather than whacking off over pictures of obscure 60's fighters.

He claims to have served in the Vietnam War, if that is in fact true that would make him an old man rather than a kid.

[Giancarlo]

What is more 'irritating', the 'hate' for Ali, or the 'constant' and 'improper' use of these little 'chaps' around 'almost' 'every' 'word'?

How about his line 'And thats a fact, Jack' after a particularly stupid post?

The poor kids obviously retarded; I just hope he gets some help before he wastes his whole life fantasising about 'Clay'.

He ought to get out and experience the joy of poontang rather than whacking off over pictures of obscure 60's fighters.

He claims to have served in the Vietnam War, if that is in fact true that would make him an old man rather than a kid.

Hahahahahahahaha. I must have missed that post.

Pure baloney.

His experience of warfare is limited to playing Warhammer with a group of other fat spotty kids.

And that's a fact, Jack!

[ThatOne]

His experience of warfare is limited to playing Warhammer with a group of other fat spotty kids.

And that's a fact, Jack!

-giancarlo

This should be easy to prove. If he's a veteran he has two copies of his Honorable Discharge; one suitable for framing and one that is wallet size. I'm looking at my dad's Honorable Discharge from WW ll that I keep in my wallet right now.

If Il Bugiardo really served in Viet Nam let him copy it, download it, and post it with his name redacted.

[gilgamesh]

His experience of warfare is limited to playing Warhammer with a group of other fat spotty kids.

And that's a fact, Jack!

-giancarlo

This should be easy to prove. If he's a veteran he has two copies of his Honorable Discharge; one suitable for framing and one that is wallet size. I'm looking at my dad's Honorable Discharge from WW ll that I keep in my wallet right now.

If Il Bugiardo really served in Viet Nam let him copy it, download it, and post it with his name redacted.

He rarely ever has a source for anything. I don't expect this will be any different.

[gilgamesh]

Muhammad Ali vs Rudi Lubbers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5Ywgld6BzY

Decide if you're impressed