Gerry Cooney v. Oliver McCall

[Vladimir5555]

Who would win?

[Ezzard]

McCall. Bet the house.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Agreed, I'd take Gerry by SD over sobbing McCall. Other than that Gerry goes down.

[dempseyfire]

McCall by late round stoppage. Although it's plausible that McCall's late rally wouldn't be enough (as it often wasn't) and that he would've given away enough rounds earlier to allow Cooney to hold on to a decision victory.

[Nile4000]

Cooney by Ud.Ain't no way he's going to let a nutcase like Oliver McCall upstage him.

[Vladimir5555]

McCall TKO 7

[gilgamesh]

I think McCall would come out on top anytime he was mentally stable

[Giancarlo]

McCall by stoppage.

[drunkenpiper36]

Seems like the type of match up where the more durable and persistent opponent outlasts the early round tenacity and power of the other. McCall should probably be favored. But Cooney was a better boxer than some realize. He was not always the guy who charged out of the gate as he did against Norton. He could jab, use footwork and still be effective in some of the later rounds. In a 10 round fight, it wouldn't be out of the question for Cooney to take a decision over Oliver.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

That may have been the case 20 years ago, Cooney is overrated now.

[yiddle]

I think cooney has a really good chance here but I have this nagging thought that McCall will land a bomb in the latter rounds . But I will take cooney by decision

[Bricks]

The Cooney that fought holmes would grind out a points win but it would affect his psyche

[Ezzard]

When hammer meets anvil I almost always side with the anvil.

[HeavyHitters]

Oliver McCall. Come on, give me a hard one.

[drunkenpiper36]

Cooney had underrated boxing skills and his durability wasn't as sub par as often made out to be. He went 13 rounds with a prime Holmes and arguably won about 5 of them. The quality of
his jab, hook and footwork are commonly overlooked as he was remembered more by fans as an early round puncher. It wasn't until after years of inactivity, poor life style habits and a loss of interest in boxing that he softened up enough to be easy pickings for Foreman and Spinks. The REAL Cooney who primed between 1980 - 1982 was a force to be reckoned with. Looking at McCall's one punch victory over Lennox Lewis back in 94' could certainly lead one to believe that he could pull the same trick on Cooney. Especially given that Gerry had the tendency to rush in at times, making him susceptible to a big counter shot. If such an instance occurred then Cooney may end up on the canvas. But in all likelihood, I think this is more of a distance fight, and if it comes down to boxing skill and Gerry's ability to take advantage of his reach, then I think he could win a scheduled 10 or perhaps even 12 round decision. A stoppage is unlikely given McCall's iron chin and will but not impossible either. Gerry is probably one of the top 20 or so hardest punchers in history in my book, and if he can land enough of those hard hooks and crosses, a stoppage isn't out of the question either.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Cooney had underrated boxing skills

How so? Anytime his name comes up several people will say the same thing. His skills are overrated at this point.

[drunkenpiper36]

Cooney had underrated boxing skills

How so? Anytime his name comes up several people will say the same thing. His skills are overrated at this point.

Unbeknownst to a lot of people, Cooney had a good jab and decent footwork. Most only view him as a crude puncher who tried to stop his foes early. Watch the first round of the Foreman vs Cooney fight and see how he chips away at George. even the Jimmy Young fight showed some good action.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Cooney had underrated boxing skills

How so? Anytime his name comes up several people will say the same thing. His skills are overrated at this point.

Unbeknownst to a lot of people, Cooney had a good jab and decent footwork. Most only view him as a crude puncher who tried to stop his foes early. Watch the first round of the Foreman vs Cooney fight and see how he chips away at George. even the Jimmy Young fight showed some good action.

A high percentage of people agree with you. That's my point, he is no longer underrated at all. He gets more credit in the skill department than he deserves.

[drunkenpiper36]

A high percentage of people agree with you. That's my point, he is no longer underrated at all. He gets more credit in the skill department than he deserves.

He deserves whatever credit he gets, and frankly given that most here are picking McCall to spark him without even bothering with analysis, I'd say that it isn't enough

[SaadOffTheDeck]

A high percentage of people agree with you. That's my point, he is no longer underrated at all. He gets more credit in the skill department than he deserves.

He deserves whatever credit he gets, and frankly given that most here are picking McCall to spark him without even bothering with analysis, I'd say that it isn't enough

McCall would be by far the greatest win of Gerry's career. I'd say that distinction belongs to George Chaplin now. Really not much analysis is needed. McCall's right hand hits Gerry's chin and he goes down.

[drunkenpiper36]

A high percentage of people agree with you. That's my point, he is no longer underrated at all. He gets more credit in the skill department than he deserves.

He deserves whatever credit he gets, and frankly given that most here are picking McCall to spark him without even bothering with analysis, I'd say that it isn't enough

McCall would be by far the greatest win of Gerry's career. I'd say that distinction belongs to George Chaplin now. Really not much analysis is needed. McCall's right hand hits Gerry's chin and he goes down.

I think Jimmy Young was still as good of a fighter in 1980 as Oliver McCall was for most of the 90's, but I won't get into a debate over it. If it makes you feel better to over simplify Cooney falling victim to a one punch knockout from a guy who rarely scored single shot KO's, then so be it.

McCall KO 4 Cooney.. There ya go...

[polecateddy]

I think Cooney would most likely fall Akinwande style in the late rounds.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

He deserves whatever credit he gets, and frankly given that most here are picking McCall to spark him without even bothering with analysis, I'd say that it isn't enough

McCall would be by far the greatest win of Gerry's career. I'd say that distinction belongs to George Chaplin now. Really not much analysis is needed. McCall's right hand hits Gerry's chin and he goes down.

I think Jimmy Young was still as good of a fighter in 1980 as Oliver McCall was for most of the 90's, but I won't get into a debate over it. If it makes you feel better to over simplify Cooney falling victim to a one punch knockout from a guy who rarely scored single shot KO's, then so be it.

McCall KO 4 Cooney.. There ya go...

LOL, I'm hardly emotional on this topic. Gerry had heart, I don't doubt that he could get up before going down again. Even if it wasn't one-punch, Oliver is flat out a better all around fighter. He's certainly inconsistent enough that Gerry could outpoint him if he was going through the motions. I've just tired of reading how underrated Gerry's skills are over the years.

Stylistically, a guy that Cooney won't be able to hurt is hardly good for him.

Young was finished at that point. He was out of shape and never had another big win in his career. He wasn't completely shot like Norton & Lyle, but his days as a contender were done.

[drunkenpiper36]

LOL, I'm hardly emotional on this topic. Gerry had heart, I don't doubt that he could get up before going down again. Even if it wasn't one-punch, Oliver is flat out a better all around fighter. He's certainly inconsistent enough that Gerry could outpoint him if he was going through the motions. I've just tired of reading how underrated Gerry's skills are over the years.

Stylistically, a guy that Cooney won't be able to hurt is hardly good for him.

Young was finished at that point. He was out of shape and never had another big win in his career. He wasn't completely shot like Norton & Lyle, but his days as a contender were done.

Fair enough. But McCall really wasn't that good. He did well against CERTAIN types of fighters, and maybe once or twice in his career got lucky against an elite guy when complacence set in the other corner. He lost to plenty of lesser fighters than Cooney even while at his best, and his punching power while solid was hardly elite. I suppose it could have gone either way.

[BoxBuzz]

There is the strong possibility that Oliver simply can't fathom knocking Gerry out...and has a moment of tender heartedness that moves him to tears, as he reaches out and attempts to help Gerry carry out his deepest hopes of winning a meaningful fight.

This could not be considered "throwing the fight". as that would entail the assist of Muslim extremists and or the presence of Mafia hit men. This scenario borders on a tinge of "bromance" as the Atomic Bull helps his brother from another mother "be all that he can be".

I happen to believe this may be the only way Gerry can beat Oliver. By appealing to Oliver's sense of humanity and brotherhood and demonstrated empathic, peaceful and passive nature.