BoxBuzz wrote:Well much of your editorial is a fascinating load of crap Ill Douche' lol.
And in your brain...it lives (I'm quite it's in living color!)
The following is far more accurate....
Even when Ali was flat on his back, HE thought he was winning, and got up with every intention of putting a further whuppin' on Joe, and had a few pretty damn good moments in the wake of his own knockdown.
He was not in fear. Not one single iota He was perhaps in denial.
Denial that he was in a competitive fight that many thought he was losing.
But Ali? Nope, not a dent in his psyche, or ego. He actually thought he was winning
and on one objective measure you could say he did pretty well in his losing effort.
Based on the lengthy hospital stay that Joe enjoyed in the post fight week.
Yeah...yeah...make a bunch of excuses and re-write history on that one....you'll have fun doing it (as others have had)
Joe had a very very bad week after the fight......that WINNING effort, and I say winning if good
faith....seemed to have taken perhaps more of a toll on the winner than the loser. (Not the first or last time for such a scenario, just a fact).
Joe won the fight, Ali extracted a big price for that win.
And you sir...are a...... well....
at the very least..... one big dummy head!
Lengthy 'hospital stay'
You have no clue Mr. Sleepy Head.........
12-days for High-Blood Pressure and Flue-like Symptoms.
And Joe didn't even go to the Hospital until 8-Days after the bout...........
Did you 'fail' Sports History in School......... :??
And you buy that? I have some land in Florida for ya friend!
No one spends over a week in the hospital for high blood pressure.
Anyway....truth be known...it was actually a hangnail. (And you know it if you've done any real studying)
Now George was a good man. Perhaps Il Duce even reveres the wooden toothed one.
Hey Il Duce......For the record....(and for my personal entertainment)
Please type the following words....in earnest....
"I simply look at the facts and report.....Any so called "bias" that others perceive is because I dare to tell the genuine truth. Those who are offended are simply devotees...and perhaps radical cult followers of an aging sports Icon.
The important thing to me, is that the facts be known.....nothing more nothing less.
That is my succint mission, for I am a simple man of truth, honor and integrity.
And....I feel somewhat misunderstood as I go about my humble task."
Now,
If you don't want to type them please feel free to cut and paste them and use them as your own.
Especially when ThatOne is out there bullying you and making you feel as if you have somehow wandered from your guiding principles or core values.
witherspoon wrote:I have just read a brilliant article by William Nack, 'The Fight's Over, Joe'.
It describes vividly the strength of Frazier's feelings toward Ali.
Great quotes sum it up for me:
'He called me stupid. He said I was so ugly my mother ran and hid when she gave birth to me. I was shocked. I sat down and said to myself, I'm gonna kill him. Ok? Simple as that. I'm gonna kill him.'
And to quote Nack:
'Frazier had done nothing to earn the caricature of Uncle Tom, but Ali had lashed him to that stake as if to define their war in black and white.'
Having read all that was said, I can only conclude (great man that he was) that Ali was spectacularly stupid.
At what point did it seem like a good idea to make a man like Joe Frazier mad enough to kill him before the biggest fight ever?
And then with the benefit of his experience he went on to smack that fukking gorilla toy for the whole world to see.
'The closest thing to dying', said Muhammad after the thriller in Manilla. No sh!t, jackass.
I skimmed most of the posts made on this thread before posting this, I come back now to see that in the context of the thread, I appear to be actively participating in a feud. For the record, that is not the case.
I'll go back to my lurking existence now, I have too much fun with this forum to allow the perils of posting to get in the way.
witherspoon wrote:I have just read a brilliant article by William Nack, 'The Fight's Over, Joe'.
It describes vividly the strength of Frazier's feelings toward Ali.
Great quotes sum it up for me:
'He called me stupid. He said I was so ugly my mother ran and hid when she gave birth to me. I was shocked. I sat down and said to myself, I'm gonna kill him. Ok? Simple as that. I'm gonna kill him.'
And to quote Nack:
'Frazier had done nothing to earn the caricature of Uncle Tom, but Ali had lashed him to that stake as if to define their war in black and white.'
Having read all that was said, I can only conclude (great man that he was) that Ali was spectacularly stupid.
At what point did it seem like a good idea to make a man like Joe Frazier mad enough to kill him before the biggest fight ever?
And then with the benefit of his experience he went on to smack that fukking gorilla toy for the whole world to see.
'The closest thing to dying', said Muhammad after the thriller in Manilla. No sh!t, jackass.
I skimmed most of the posts made on this thread before posting this, I come back now to see that in the context of the thread, I appear to be actively participating in a feud. For the record, that is not the case.
I'll go back to my lurking existence now, I have too much fun with this forum to allow the perils of posting to get in the way.
No feud... No worries... Just a lot of innocuous repartee... I find it interesting that some take my feigned plaintiveness as genuine anger.
ThatOne is not the obsessed one. That honour belongs to Il Duce and his obvious hatred of Ali. ThatOne is merely pointing out the fantasies contained in Il Duce's ridiculous posts and for that he must be commended.
SteveO wrote:Good. I think it's great that someone is correcting all his nonsense.
Thank you for having the perspicacity for seeing things as they are .
As far as Ali he is the way he is today because of the sacrifices he made in the ring. I don't see how one can be a fan of boxing and not appreciate that.
SteveO wrote:Good. I think it's great that someone is correcting all his nonsense.
Good for you, I think it sucks. If he ignored him it would stop. Not that I care when they do their thing on Duce's threads, I don't even open them. Now ThatOne seems hell bent on ruining any thread that he posts in. The forum would be better off without either of them.
SteveO wrote:Good. I think it's great that someone is correcting all his nonsense.
Good for you, I think it sucks. If he ignored him it would stop. Not that I care when they do their thing on Duce's threads, I don't even open them. Now ThatOne seems hell bent on ruining any thread that he posts in. The forum would be better off without either of them.
What is a poster supposed to do when he comes upon a post on any topic in any forum where another poster deliberately lies and literally makes up quotes to demean a figure that people come to discuss?
And it's not "innocent fun". He lied when he said/wrote Joe Frazier made Muhammad Ali cry in the ring. He must have him confused with Oliver McCall. Two people in this thread bought the lie...
I suggest that on any other board the poster who is lying would be sanctioned and not the person who is pointing it out.
I could report the lies to the host but I'm not a snitch.
Was going around saying that he beat up Joe Frazier so bad that they had to 'rush' him to
the Hospital today {March 16th} to save his life. He was on his 'Death Bed'.
And because of this, it was 'he' Muhammad Ali who should be named Champion,
Muhammad Ali,
"Joe Frazier is in 'intensive care', and he cannot be disturbed. He's so beat up, he can't except
any phone calls or do interviews. He can't talk."
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Wednesday - March 17, 1971
The Heavyweight Champion did a telephone interview from St. Luke's Children Medical Center in
Philadelphia with Joe Bishop, who taped the conversation to played on the Tonight Show
on Thursday Night - March 18th.
Joe Frazier,
"Man, everythings all right. Everything's cool."
Could you please provide the original source so I and other members of this august board can investigate for themselves the provenance and accuracy of this quote as well as the source for the crying incident?
SteveO wrote:Good. I think it's great that someone is correcting all his nonsense.
Good for you, I think it sucks. If he ignored him it would stop. Not that I care when they do their thing on Duce's threads, I don't even open them. Now ThatOne seems hell bent on ruining any thread that he posts in. The forum would be better off without either of them.
What is a poster supposed to do when he comes upon a post on any topic in any forum where another poster deliberately lies and literally makes up quotes to demean a figure that people come to discuss?
And it's not "innocent fun". He lied when he said/wrote Joe Frazier made Muhammad Ali cry in the ring. He must have him confused with Oliver McCall. Two people in this thread bought the lie...
I suggest that on any other board the poster who is lying would be sanctioned and not the person who is pointing it out.
I could report the lies to the host but I'm not a snitch.
1. Yes Il Duce is a spinner of tales
2. There are some that feel provoked I assume you are one of them
3. Not sure you have or ever will be "sanctioned" for calling Ill Doo Doo on his nonsense
4. We have one poster perhaps more that feel that being reactionary only makes it worse
5. His stories are interesting...and often fictional but do not break any formal rules
6. As far as "ethics" well like I say, at some point I'll gather them all and sell them and donate the proceeds to a charitable organization.
Is this acceptable?
.....even if it isn't.... I suggest we all stay calm, and carry on.
BoxBuzz wrote:Hey...lots of opinions here. ThatOne....
1. Yes Il Duce is a spinner of tales
2. There are some that feel provoked I assume you are one of them
3. Not sure you have or ever will be "sanctioned" for calling Ill Doo Doo on his nonsense
4. We have one poster perhaps more that feel that being reactionary only makes it worse
5. His stories are interesting...and often fictional but do not break any formal rules
6. As far as "ethics" well like I say, at some point I'll gather them all and sell them and donate the proceeds to a charitable organization.
Is this acceptable?
.....even if it isn't.... I suggest we all stay calm, and carry on.
How could I begin to disagree with a man of such reasoned and seasoned judgement?
witherspoon wrote:I have just read a brilliant article by William Nack, 'The Fight's Over, Joe'.
It describes vividly the strength of Frazier's feelings toward Ali.
Great quotes sum it up for me:
'He called me stupid. He said I was so ugly my mother ran and hid when she gave birth to me. I was shocked. I sat down and said to myself, I'm gonna kill him. Ok? Simple as that. I'm gonna kill him.'
And to quote Nack:
'Frazier had done nothing to earn the caricature of Uncle Tom, but Ali had lashed him to that stake as if to define their war in black and white.'
Having read all that was said, I can only conclude (great man that he was) that Ali was spectacularly stupid.
At what point did it seem like a good idea to make a man like Joe Frazier mad enough to kill him before the biggest fight ever?
And then with the benefit of his experience he went on to smack that fukking gorilla toy for the whole world to see.
'The closest thing to dying', said Muhammad after the thriller in Manilla. No sh!t, jackass.
I skimmed most of the posts made on this thread before posting this, I come back now to see that in the context of the thread, I appear to be actively participating in a feud. For the record, that is not the case.
I'll go back to my lurking existence now, I have too much fun with this forum to allow the perils of posting to get in the way.
No feud... No worries... Just a lot of innocuous repartee... I find it interesting that some take my feigned plaintiveness as genuine anger.
And thanks for the article.
I read the article in a book called 'The Hurt Business', it's a collection of the work of the best boxing writers and its the best boxing book I have ever had my hands on (and I do read a ridiculous amount).
I read the article in a book called 'The Hurt Business', it's a collection of the work of the best boxing writers and its the best boxing book I have ever had my hands on (and I do read a ridiculous amount).
-witherspoon
Let's see if I can find it on Amazon.
Thank you again. BTW, Ring of Fire was just published. It's an account of the Louis-Schmeling fights.
