hurlock wrote:
Willy pep & sweet pea were showmen much more talented at evading punches with hands low. Covering up & smovering & counter attacking from defence is were mw excells &
I've never seen anybody do it better including benetez
That's defense no matter what way you cut it. It's like arguing a strong jab over a snap jab.
It's riskier & they did used to get hit you know.making people miss & pay is what it's about mayweather is more likely to block then punish you but does both.
Overall mayweather is the best defensive fighter there's ever been.mayweather ain't my favourite fighter I prefer sweet pea but cold hard facts show mayweather is exceptional.he angers fans for making it look easy.
Mayweather takes the less punishment he controls the pace & stays strong & over rides any storms & is a master at offsetting an opponents attacks with spitefull counters, the guys a genius.
People bang on about fighters from 60 years ago they have never seen only read on ! They try to come across as historian connesiur's of the sport & a few of them have posted mayweather to box a weight drained 50 year old would get him into there top 20
Maybe you haven't seen too many Whitaker fights. He does make you pay. And Floyd does get hit. I don't remember Whitaker EVER being as hurt as Floyd in the Mosley fight.
Senya13 wrote:No, instead Whitaker fell down after that right hand and was still groggy for a while after getting up, waiting till his head clears by holding on.
Whatever way you take it, Whitaker had just as good defense as Floyd. Boxing defense includes evading punches just as much as blocking punches. And Whitaker evaded punches standing right in the pocket just as Floyd block punches in the pocket. Whitaker could do just about everything Floyd could.
Floyds awkwardness & positioning of himself just locks people up, there's tying up but floyd locks you up he don't waste energy fiddling & grafting he makes you do that. Also mayweathers mind is so strong his concentration levels are ridiculously high!! Pernell was highly talented but did switch off lost dedication & the fact floyd is a truly professional athlete people hold it against him! Being dedicated & focused & remaining driven is a skill on its own.we all say had he been right,had he never had that war,had he been more dedicated bla,bla,bla
The problem with Floyd is that he "HANDPICKS" his opponents(though--good or very good). There's a style that Floyd just can't deal with; it's a fighter that is a combination puncher, speedy, accurate, and powerful(this is a bonus). If you watch the Mosley fight(Mosley gave up after about round 2--but Floyd[Glass Joe] was open either to the body or head at all times; it should have been like stealing for a veteran like Mosley; it was too early for even an old fighter to be tired). Why would he not fight Pacquiao--when he was in prime and when both could make historic amounts? Pacquiao is was like a better version of Mosley and it COULD mean his first loss. Sugar Robinson and Leonard would mop the floor with him. Their ability to throw accurate combinations with speed and power would make him look like an amateur or newly crowned Olympic champion against a great professional. Floyd vs. Hearns, Duran, Moore, Basilio, Torres, Fulmer, Cerdan, La Motta, DeJesus(Esteban), Hank Armstrong, and Hagler would be some good fights. Although, Hearns--at his best--would win(struggled against punchers who were known punchers or great finishers and might get caught with something--is the only strike against Hearns). I also BELIEVE that very good crouching fighters like De Jesus, Cerdan, Basilio, and Fulmer would rule the day! I also BELIEVE that a Monzon/Ken Norton type will give him a lot of trouble and probably win an overwhelming majority of fights. Styles make fights and those--to me-- are Floyd's achilles heel!
Seriously though, watch that fight with Mosley and other fights--for that matter--he's not the defensive and offensive fighter everyone makes him out to be. He's in that Larry Holmes, Roy Jones, Jr., etc level of offensive fighter(trouble throwing combinations of more than 2 punches at the same rate of speed as they do the one-two). And just because they can do it on a speed bag doesn't mean anything; on a speed bag, it only measures hand speed and how fast you can land wild punches. NOT throwing a combination of jabs, right crosses, hooks, and uppercuts in quick succession. Their punches seriously slow down as they throw that 3rd and 4th punch of the combo. That's an offensive problem. Those fighters also have serious defensive holes that can be exploited by certain offensive fighters(can be flooded with punches as they throw or hit with bombs as they throw).
He's not in the Sugar Rays(both), Ike Williams, class. He belongs in the cellar of the next level; he would beat some of these fighters 1 or 2 times out of 3. Exceptions being good and strong-willed fighters that have the SAID attributes. Pacquiao is like a Sugar Ray Leonard who uses punching power more often than boxing potential; while, SRL reverses that. He can overwhelm Floyd and his weaknesses become MAGNIFIED! Plus, Floyd handpicks(is scared of fighters who have said attributes). It would have been 25, but now at least 30 - 35. Riddick Bowe--who was afraid to fight Lewis--no longer appears on any heavyweight map!
Your right about timing & picking. Srl is my all time favourite but he said on tv he wanted the return with Duran quick as because he knew he would get fat .& pArty with his purse! So he was the same & floyd chased mosely when he was the draw.
if golovkin ko's martinez and froch or ward then he fight floyd @154 as he said he can and floyd beats GGG then that would see floyd become a top ten ATG. plus throw in a win over manny pac even if he's been beat recently
