Joe Fraziers peak? ------

[NYDominican]

Joe Frazier was a very great fighter. He had the heart of a lion. Clearly, Joe didn't have the longest professional career.

When did Joe peak in his professional boxing career?

Was it in March, 1971?


February, 1970?


June, 1969?


December, 1968?


April, 1968?


Or, sometime in 1967?


Or, sometime before 1967?



When Joe was at his very top peak? ----- Do you think that the very best of Muhammad Ali wouldn't have stood a chance against Joe?


Do you think that the very best of George Foreman wouldn't have stood a chance against Joe?



When Joe Frazier was at his very top peak? -----

Could any boxer have beaten him?

If so?

Who do you think?


Why?

[elmersalsa]

After that tremendous performance of that extraordinary night of Karch 8, 1971, Smokin' Joe was never the same. He left his peak and his all on that night. It was a performance of the ages!!!

[yancey]

3/8/71 Ali would not have seen the final round against 1969 Frazier.

[BoxBuzz]

Joe was great. He was just the fighter Ali needed to whup him into shape.

Had the FOTC not been a loss for Ali......he would not enjoy his remarkably enduring and well deserved reputation. His career defining moments begin at the moment Joe Flattens him....and he gets up.

[p4p1]

I thought this thread was about Joe Frazier's 'peak'

Not, Muhammad Ali pulling his 'ass' off the canvas after getting dropped.

Box Buzz, what are you, a Doctor or something ?

That's the pot calling the kettle black.

[SenorPipino]

Peak vs peak, Ali would have taken as much out of Frazier as say, Coopman took out of Ali. Or so I'm told.

And a peak Frazier always would have been blasted coming in by Foreman. The little guy just didn't have the physical tools to compte with Big George.

[Robinson]

I always thought that maybe '68 to '71. After he bested Ali he seemed to become
some what left hook happy, was a smokin' less because he was too busy trying to
tear heads from shoulders.

Though I really enjoy his fight with Bugner and Quarry II as far as his post prime
self goes.

[evrenb]

The Smoke from 'Smokin Joe'

July 1967 thru June 1969

Muhammad Ali left boxing because of 'Smokin Joe'

How's the novel coming along??

eb

[raylawpc]

Joe was great. He was just the fighter Ali needed to whup him into shape.

Had the FOTC not been a loss for Ali......he would not enjoy his remarkably enduring and well deserved reputation. His career defining moments begin at the moment Joe Flattens him....and he gets up.

I'm sorry, but that is simply an asinine statement. You make if sound as if Joe was little more than a glorified sparring partner for Ali, a foil necessary to get Ali into shape to achieve greater things. I suspect it is because you are in denial that Joe Frazier was simply a better fighter than Ali on March 8, 1971. But I suppose historical revisionism is a necessary component of Ali worship.

But back to the original question: Joe's best "peak" years extended from the first Quarry fight in 1969 and through the FOTC.

[BoxBuzz]

Joe was great. He was just the fighter Ali needed to whup him into shape.

Had the FOTC not been a loss for Ali......he would not enjoy his remarkably enduring and well deserved reputation. His career defining moments begin at the moment Joe Flattens him....and he gets up.

I'm sorry, but that is simply an asinine statement. You make if sound as if Joe was little more than a glorified sparring partner for Ali, a foil necessary to get Ali into shape to achieve greater things. I suspect it is because you are in denial that Joe Frazier was simply a better fighter than Ali on March 8, 1971. But I suppose historical revisionism is a necessary component of Ali worship.

But back to the original question: Joe's best "peak" years extended from the first Quarry fight in 1969 and through the FOTC.

I was wonderin when you were going to get after me.

But no.....I've never argued that Ali was better on that night. Never will. Like Riddick Bowe, Joeto me is among the best of the best of the best. His peak was short because of his style. But if you give thought to what I'm saying, and not just react I think you'll get my meaning.

And I don't mean physically whup him into shape......I'm speaking of the historical story.

Purely in terms of the story. He has to be beat, and come back in some significant way. This is why his story is enduring/endearing to so many. A champion who falls, and gets back up and does something different/remarkable.

To me, his "story" is not personal as I assess his place in boxing history. It simply "is".

He would be far far less without Joe Frazier.....as would Joe be far far less without Ali.

Story wise. Not as men, or their character, or the cut of their jib. lol.

Remember, I think a lot of Monzon's "story". within the history of the sport. And he was a murderer.

This is not personal for me. Though I do not dislike Alli one Iota. Nor do I dislike Frazier one Iota.

I don't care much for the murderer.

The Social/Political intrigue is for the drama department.