Question about WBU title fight recognition

[slapbangwhallop]

I've noticed that BoxRec have started listing the new USA version of the WBU title fight but not the German version.

http://boxrec.com/title_search.php?titl ... &SUBMIT=Go

Is there any reason for this because I was at the recent Scott Dixon WBU title fight and that isnt listed on his record.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/boxi ... er-1281674

[computerrank]

[slapbangwhallop]

is there any reason why neother of the WBU titles are listed on BoxRec but both WBF titles are?

I'm just trying to find out more information etc.

cheers

[computerrank]

is there any reason why neother of the WBU titles are listed on BoxRec but both WBF titles are?

I'm just trying to find out more information etc.

cheers

WBF is the old organisation, while there are some new WBU organisations, which are startups with same names.

[slapbangwhallop]

is there any reason why neother of the WBU titles are listed on BoxRec but both WBF titles are?

I'm just trying to find out more information etc.

cheers

WBF is the old organisation, while there are some new WBU organisations, which are startups with same names.

but isnt there two WBFs that BoxRec list?

There are two WBUs about also after the original is now defunct. One is out of Germany and calls itself "WBU V" so maybe list their fights on a separate schedule as the WBU V and the one in the United States as the "WBU US".

Thoughts?

[computerrank]

The new WBUs are too small to be listed - look at their level of competition - world title competition.

There is only one original and then re-founded WBF (World Boxing Federation) to my knowledge. The World Boxing Foundation is based in Australia.

[slapbangwhallop]

The new WBUs are too small to be listed - look at their level of competition - world title competition.

There is only one original and then re-founded WBF (World Boxing Federation) to my knowledge. The World Boxing Foundation is based in Australia.

Are the WBF title fights really that much better?

I was at the latest contest for the title, Chris Goodwin vs Istvan Kiss. It was barely British Regional Area title level as opposed to World level.

In any event, the fights occur, are sanctioned etc etc. I dont much like the proliferation of title as much as the next man, or woman, but I dont think it is BoxRec's job to judge, just the report the facts and highlight them on the fighters records.

Is latest South Australia State light middleweight title fight between Michael Hermann and David Galvin a more meaningful fight that Scott Dixon vs Baker Barakat?

Or does it seem logic to list the World Boxing Foundation Asia Pacific middleweight title, that titles last bout featuring 5-18 Dion McNabney, but not the WBU title fight of Hamid Rahimi vs . Especially when you see the scenes the man was welcomed home to in the Afghan? (pic below)

I could highlight other examples such as the WBO China Zone, the WBC Mundo Hispanic or the Global Boxing Federation titles but I think we all get the point.

Surely for consistency all or none of these titles should be listed.

[John]

Surely for consistency all or none of these titles should be listed.

Yep, I agree, we shouldn't list Mickey Mouse titles, it only gives them credibility they don't deserve. The problem is where to draw the line.

[logtonio]

The WBF(world boxing foundation) is a legitamate sanctioning organization,,based out of Australia its been in the business of sanctioning fights for over 10 years,,,they are currently making a transition into the US and have strong ties in Australia in which they get there champions very lucrative fights,,,,,

[logtonio]

If the WBU is overseen by the IBU which is based out of Atlanta (which is the rumor) then its Bogus,,,the IBU has not had a business license in Georgia in years,,(per State of GA),,its a scam and has the worse reputation in the business,,the IBU is not compliant with any rules or state requirements

[slapbangwhallop]

If the WBU is overseen by the IBU which is based out of Atlanta (which is the rumor) then its Bogus,,,the IBU has not had a business license in Georgia in years,,(per State of GA),,its a scam and has the worse reputation in the business,,the IBU is not compliant with any rules or state requirements

there is two current WBUs floating about. One in USA run by Moose Lewis and the other in Germany.

[slapbangwhallop]

Surely for consistency all or none of these titles should be listed.

Yep, I agree, we shouldn't list Mickey Mouse titles, it only gives them credibility they don't deserve. The problem is where to draw the line.

Indeed! Thats the question.

Deciding where to draw the line, if any is a tough one. A case could be made for nearly every sanctioning organisation being corrupt duplicitous clowns.

[logtonio]

The WBU in Atlanta that's overseen by Mosse Lewis is a big scam. It doesn't or can't even produce a business license ,,,if a sanctioning body can't produce ten years of history then they shouldn't be recognized ,,,and I'm not talking about ten years of watching Friday night fights

[ChicagoBoxing]

Both are totally different sanctioning bodies,

I really do not know much about the rebirth of the old WBU, besides it has its glory days behind them, I believe their president is Don Lewis. From what I seen, I am not impressed with who fights for their world titles these days.



World Boxing Union - WBU-V, which is based in Germany has actually started to come have fights here in the United States, they have a "sister" organization called the North American Boxing Union (NABU). I like what they are doing for the upcoming talent in that country, however I am not really impressed with their championship criteria.



Titles criteria:

World Title: Both boxers must have a positive record
Intercontinental Title: One boxer must have a positive record
Continental Title: One boxer must have a positive record
International Title: No record required
World Youth Title: No record required
Intercontinental Youth Title: No record required
Continental Youth Title: No record required
International Youth Title: No record required

[ChicagoBoxing]

WBU president

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/2 ... 33275.html

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx ... 452670d0e4 <---------- Guy is insane.

[logtonio]

WBU V,,,the Germany based orgaization,,, looks good and wish you the best of luck,,,,looks like your giving some great oppurtunities to up and coming fighters,,,

[logtonio]

I just viewed the videos,,,,thats what Im talking about,,,that guy should be banned from all sports,,(Don Lewis),hes the perfect reason why we have a racism problem in this world,
,

[ChicagoBoxing]

I just viewed the videos,,,,thats what Im talking about,,,that guy should be banned from all sports,,(Don Lewis),hes the perfect reason why we have a racism problem in this world,
,

Yeah that was kind of over the top, black eye to WBU (US). I am sure after watching that, a lot of people want to kick his booty.

[ChicagoBoxing]

Im sure his ALL WHITE basketball league will fold, what a goofy dude.

About the WBU being listed on Boxrec, I was told by a friend that there is an alternative to boxrec that is being created, maybe they will be a little different and highlight the smaller up and coming organizations. I love BoxRec but also would like for them to post smaller titles being fought for, being a journalist I find it very helpful.

[ChicagoBoxing]

Surely for consistency all or none of these titles should be listed.

Yep, I agree, we shouldn't list Mickey Mouse titles, it only gives them credibility they don't deserve. The problem is where to draw the line.

I disagree because this website if Im not mistake is for educational and entertainment use only correct ? Many journalist as myself use Boxrec to gain information and little titles do help our write ups. IT would be the complete source of boxing if it list as much information as possible on the bouts, 20 years from now, those little things can help future readers, journalists.

As far as boxrec giving them credibility, I do not think it gives them credibility, I think Boxrec gives the visitors added information, the only way a sanctioning body gets credibility is who holds the titles. BoxRec is the encyclopedia for the sport, I would like to know as much as possible, titles, trouble weighing in, etc

[stac]

agree

[ChicagoBoxing]

I believe all sanctioning bodies should be listed because BoxRec serves the purpose of providing information to fight fans, the media, etc. I truly believe that many look at the smaller sanctioning bodies in a negative way but if you see what the WBC, WBA do regularly will blow your mind away. Mostly all the smaller "Recognized" affiliate's that the WBC and WBA puts on some horrific fights, it is just madness.

Sanctioning bodies do not make the titles, it is the fighter that holds them. FightFax does list all titles major and minor when it is submitted, I think BoxRec should do the same, who are we to actually judge what body deserves listing or not, I would let their fights do the talking. I recently seen WBU (US) put on some very questionable fights for "WORLD TITLES" it is the leadership of that sanctioning body that clearly has no respect for the sport.

[energyfighter]

hello from the wbu based in germany

that says all!!!

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 2#p3795392

[SteveO]

As I've said before (on another thread somewhere) I believe, for the sake of historical accuracy, ALL TITLES should be included in a boxer's record on BoxRec - regardless of whether anyone agrees with them or not. Who picks and chooses which ones to list? and why some titles and not others?
The minor titles mean something to the boxers that fought for them and it is an injustice not to have them included.

[energyfighter]

As I've said before (on another thread somewhere) I believe, for the sake of historical accuracy, ALL TITLES should be included in a boxer's record on BoxRec - regardless of whether anyone agrees with them or not. Who picks and chooses which ones to list? and why some titles and not others?
The minor titles mean something to the boxers that fought for them and it is an injustice not to have them included.