RJJ vs. Patterson

Trent · Post by **Trent** » 18 Nov 2005, 18:35

I think Floyd would beat Jones, but not as easy as what most of you people think. Jones did have one of the fastest hands out of any lightheavyweight in history. but Floyd also had fast hands, and a better chin, and i reckon he could take Jones shots.

But to say that this thread is a joke and that jones has no hope at all, is a bit over the top. I think some people on this forum underrate jones

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 18 Nov 2005, 23:06

Well Trent I can sure tell you that many many people here overate Patterson, I think it's a BoxRec Pandemic. But Floyd was a genuine Light Heavy and I think RJJ was a wee bit smaller, a wee bit more china chinned, and a wee bit less powerful. I don't think he could do to Patterson what he did to Ruiz by any means. I also think it would be a deckfest. But if Patterson couldnt put RJ away I think RJ has a real chance, however I really don't think Roy makes it to final bell because Patterson just might have been fast enough to get to him good at some point. I've seen both men fight with my own eyes. Doesn't make me an expert, but it does make me old.

I do think it would be a VERY competitive fight. But if it was about money I'd have to back Floyd damn it.

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 18 Nov 2005, 23:15

One important factor: if you put Floyd down he would ALWAYS get back up. Which is not exactly the same scenario with Roy.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 18 Nov 2005, 23:49

Yep another factor in Floyd's Favor......Say that five times fast.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 19 Nov 2005, 00:27

Patterson KO 9 Roy Jones

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 19 Nov 2005, 07:03

BoxBuzz wrote:Well Trent I can sure tell you that many many people here overate Patterson, I think it's a BoxRec Pandemic. But Floyd was a genuine Light Heavy and I think RJJ was a wee bit smaller, a wee bit more china chinned, and a wee bit less powerful. I don't think he could do to Patterson what he did to Ruiz by any means. I also think it would be a deckfest. But if Patterson couldnt put RJ away I think RJ has a real chance, however I really don't think Roy makes it to final bell because Patterson just might have been fast enough to get to him good at some point. I've seen both men fight with my own eyes. Doesn't make me an expert, but it does make me old.

I do think it would be a VERY competitive fight. But if it was about money I'd have to back Floyd damn it.

sure, Patterson was an overrated heavyweight champ. But he gave Ali hell in their rematch, was robbed vs Ellis, and beat a lot of good men. Most notably, he was excellent at 175 and was really a cruiserweight by today's standards. Look how today's cruisers fornicate up at heavy. Also, how would RJ have done against the guys Patterson faced? Roy gets too much credit for beating that big oaf Ruiz

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 19 Nov 2005, 08:42

evndrbsn wrote:
silkov wrote:
evndrbsn wrote:Patterson was a fast heavyweight but to say he was as fast or faster than Roy Jones Jr, who had some of the fastest hands in history, is off target. People can talk what they want about Roy Jones, but he wasn't KO'd or really beaten until he was 35 years old. And then he stretches that to three losses in a row. A prime Roy Jones has an easy time against a prime Patterson, at heavyweight or light heavyweight. For Jones, his blinding speed was power. He was extremely difficult to hit cleanly too, unlike Patterson. Even with his peek-a-boo style and head movement, he got hit a lot. Jones TKO 6 Patterson, 10 times out of 10.
No way, Jones was not faster than Patterson and Floyd would Ko Jones in about 5 rounds......
That's funny, I could have sworn Jones' punches blurred on the screen, they were so fast. I also completely forgot what a steel-chin Patterson had. It was almost freakish how he turned back the brutal punches of Liston for not just one, but two fights. Four minutes and fifteen seconds over two bouts is more than some lasted with Liston, so it has to count for something, right?

Jones would not have engaged Patterson. He would have darted in and out, avoiding Patterson's shots all night, at least before he KO'd Patterson between the seventh and tenth.

Stupid assesment, Patterson would of KO'ed Jones 4 rounds at most. Dont forget Patterson took HEAVYWEIGHT punches while Jones was KTFO by 2 light heavys. Patterson was stronger, faster, hit harder, BETTER CHIN and had a hell a lot more heart, Jones would be out cold. Just because he beat freakin John Ruiz does not mean he can beat someone like Floyd Patterson.

theone · Post by **theone** » 19 Nov 2005, 08:50

. Dont forget Patterson took HEAVYWEIGHT punches while Jones was KTFO by 2 light heavys.

To be fair, I wouldnt hold those two ko's against Jones; he was completely shot when those fights took place. However Patterson was way too much for Jones regardless.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 19 Nov 2005, 09:53

Hey Razor adn ViciousMassau I'm pretty much inclined to go your way on this, except that I think Roy can run for longer than 4 rounds. And maybe I think he could make it competitive.

"Patterson had a better chin than Jones." That statement should get a chuckle from anyone. True as it is.

Cojimar 1945 · Post by **Cojimar 1945** » 19 Nov 2005, 17:09

But was Jones ever really pushed to the limit prior to the fights with Antonio Tarver? How do we gauge the limitations of a prime Roy Jones if nobody could beat him in his prime?

By the way, Ruiz did beat Hasim Rahman who in turn beat Lennox Lewis which must count for something.

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 19 Nov 2005, 18:05

floyd wins but i think people here need to calm down and stop saying like Floyd in 1 round or floyd sneds rjj to the hospital or wipes the floor with him. RJJ in his PRIME was an unbeleivable HOF talent and if this fight takes place at light heavyweight then i could see him winning. If i had to put my money on someone id put it on Floyd by UD or late TKO, but picking rjj would be beleivable. Now if it were fought at heavyweight, THEN you get the floyd by KO early/mid rounds.

but it not fair to just assume that RJJ gets demolished, when in his prime he would Def last with any light heavyweight ever.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 19 Nov 2005, 18:15

I'm tired of "PattersonMania". I'm going to watch the Liston Fights, I'll be back in 2 minutes.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 19 Nov 2005, 19:15

Rory McCloskey wrote:floyd wins but i think people here need to calm down and stop saying like Floyd in 1 round or floyd sneds rjj to the hospital or wipes the floor with him. RJJ in his PRIME was an unbeleivable HOF talent and if this fight takes place at light heavyweight then i could see him winning. If i had to put my money on someone id put it on Floyd by UD or late TKO, but picking rjj would be beleivable. Now if it were fought at heavyweight, THEN you get the floyd by KO early/mid rounds.

but it not fair to just assume that RJJ gets demolished, when in his prime he would Def last with any light heavyweight ever.

Eloquently put. Good job.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 20 Nov 2005, 01:00

BoxBuzz wrote:I'm tired of "PattersonMania". I'm going to watch the Liston Fights, I'll be back in 2 minutes.

HAHAHAH LMAO

actually 3 minutes!!!

- why dont u go watch patterson-moore??

aww that was mean on my part, i know archie had an off night and wasnt mentalyl right coming in. he should have been able to beat a young patterson

theone · Post by **theone** » 20 Nov 2005, 01:35

i know archie had an off night and wasnt mentalyl right coming in. he should have been able to beat a young patterson

Any version of Archie Moore would have lost to Patterson that night. Patterson was the better Heavyweight. Period.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 20 Nov 2005, 13:46

theone wrote:
i know archie had an off night and wasnt mentalyl right coming in. he should have been able to beat a young patterson
Any version of Archie Moore would have lost to Patterson that night. Patterson was the better Heavyweight. Period.

archie moore outboxed him the first 4 rounds then got caught, moore took the fight way to fast he should havw waited. he hadnt fully recovered from the beating he recieved vs marciano. moore went into the patterson fight full of personel problems, and wasnt mentally right nor as in good physically shape. moore should have been able to beat the green patterson

a more mature patterson would defintley beat him

Professor X · Post by **Professor X** » 20 Nov 2005, 13:46

Some people still consider Patterson to be the fastest (hand speed) heavyweight ever.

Patterson KO's Jones with a counter-left sometime between the third or sixth round.

theone · Post by **theone** » 20 Nov 2005, 14:53

archie moore outboxed him the first 4 rounds then got caught,

So what? walcott was leading against Marciano when he got caught. Does that take anything away from Rocky's victory?

moore took the fight way to fast he should havw waited. he hadnt fully recovered from the beating he recieved vs marciano

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It was almost a full year after and Moore had gone 11-0 in that time. He had recovered just fine.

moore went into the patterson fight full of personel problems, and wasnt mentally right nor as in good physically shape

Of coarse, very convient as allways. Moore was a veteran and had faced personal hardships throughout his career. He knew this was his best and probably last shot at the heavyweight title. He was well aware of the stakes and I'm sure was quite metally prepared. He just happened to be fighter a heavyweight who was faster and hit hard and quick enough to knock him out.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 17 Feb 2007, 12:08

Using the search feature I dug this one up....

Sometimes it's good to get old, you can forget a conversation, go back and read like it's all brand new. I see that my analysis was a very good one then, and I think I'll stick with it.