Groves is better than Froch. That has now been established

[GlobalBox]

Bad stoppage but i think froch was getting on top of him and would have got the stoppage it was truning into froch's fight and the way he likes to fight once groves slowed down. But huge respect to groves my jaw nearly hit the flaw in the 1st round he is clearly world class im just wondering if that style would be better against ward than froch? Froch gets stronger as he goes he likes a war, but no one has got in the ring and managed to out box ward. Does ward get stronger if he is put on his arse and outboxed for 6 rounds? Not sure no ones done it yet, but if you can woble froch like that you can buzz anyone.

I wouldnt rule out that groves could have come back but i think froch was starting to jump on him and i think froch would have stopped him there or on the next assault. What groves said in the post fight interview was right - froch got the benifit of the doubt when he was hurt because hes a warrior, groves is seen as chinny so was pulled out early.

Stoppages like that arent fair on anyone because froch would have got a lot of respect for that comeback if it was a fair stoppage and also groves maybe could have come back.

My only comment in defense of foster is at the point he put his arms round groves, groves dropped his hands round his knees for a couple of seconds maybe he saw something we didnt, he is a very good ref on the whole.

I think you are absolutely right, it was a bad stoppage, in the heat of the moment it seemed even worse but have watched it 3 or 4 times now and with 90 seconds left in the round, to me (unbiased point of view) George is not getting out of the 9th round, should he have been given a chance, of course he should but despite him dominating he was going to lose the fight from that position in my eyes. Howard had a split second decision to make, he made the call, it looks harsh now, however, would the result have been any different if he had let it go on for another 30 seconds, I honestly don't think so.

[Tykemania]

I meant how did the commentators have it, as I watched the fight without sound. I can also form my own opinion, so maybe I can join your special club of the few who listened to this supposedly biased commentary without being brainwashed into thinking Groves was several points ahead. While we're coming up with factors that influenced how people scored the bout, let me suggest that perhaps the commentary was so biased in your opinion that you tried, whether aware or not, to balance it by viewing the fight from a pro-Froch perspective. I didn't have the sound on, so I'm free of this type of bias stemming from commentary.

I didn't see Froch land many shots until the final rounds, and even when he did through the first 7 Groves was landing more and landing better. Froch looked timid, confused, and lacking in confidence for much of the fight, and he generally missed wildly when he rushed Groves. I cannot see how any fair grounds for giving him half of the rounds. But hey, it all came down to the commentary, didn't it?

Nope, it didn't - I'm quite intelligent enough to be able to analyse what I was hearing and form my own impression both about the commentary itself (shockingly bad) and the fight (a lot closer than the commentators had it?) - I wasn't trying to make allowances for Froch, merely reflecting on the fact that he was landing as many solid shots as Groves and looked to be making more headway with them.

[Tykemania]

I think you are absolutely right, it was a bad stoppage, in the heat of the moment it seemed even worse but have watched it 3 or 4 times now and with 90 seconds left in the round, to me (unbiased point of view) George is not getting out of the 9th round, should he have been given a chance, of course he should but despite him dominating he was going to lose the fight from that position in my eyes. Howard had a split second decision to make, he made the call, it looks harsh now, however, would the result have been any different if he had let it go on for another 30 seconds, I honestly don't think so.

It was an unsatisfactory conclusion to the fight, lets put it that way.

I'm totally with you, there was very little chance that Groves was going to make it out of there - there was a lot of round left and he had already been reeling for a good minute. I also recognise that Groves made things worse for himself by keeling forward and turning his back, even though I think that was more a result of him being desperate to get some respite.

Me? I'd have liked to see him given a standing count - he was kept up by the ropes in the immedaite run up to the stoppage - and then see if he could go on, with the expectation that the referee would have to step in if he took another barrage unanswered.

Did it change the result? No. But it has left a cloud over what should have been a conclusive finish.

[Thejambo]

Lot of emotion running last night so I rewatched this morning with a level head.
How I had it
Rd1 10-8 Groves
Rd2 10-9 Groves
Rd3 10-9 Froch
Rd4 10-9 Groves
Rd5 10-9 Froch
Rd6 10-9 Groves
Rd7 10-10
Rd8 10-9 Froch
So going into the 9th I had Groves 2 pts up.
What was apparent was that he was slowing down and his punch resistance seemed to be ebbing away.
The stoppage was very poor but even so Froch was clearly winning the 9th.
Which means they were going into the championship rounds 10 to 12 with Groves 1 point up and Froch on the ascendancy.
I thought Howard Foster had a really bad night. First time I can remember him being so poor.
Sky really need to get better commentators on the mike. Halling should go back to the NFL and Watt should go into retirement. He gets ridiculously carried away.
I thought Groves was exceptional. With a bit more experience he could have won. I thought it was coming too soon for George and that was proved right. However, in a rematch I would give him the edge. Groves can get better, not sure Froch can.
But - what a great fight! Even watching it the second time I was on the edge of my seat.
I don't want the rematch. Let Froch have another bash at Ward and then retirement please.
Groves has proved himself and Matchroom need to get him another world title fight next.
Isn't it great to have another British superstar in the super middleweight division!

[dragons]

Groves mastered Froch for almost the entire fight. Froch was given an absolute gift by the referee.

Froch conducted himself appallingly IMO throughout, and was rightly booed through his post fight interview.

Groves was ripped off after dominating most of the fight by a referee who shouldn't have been there in the first place.

If we thought Groves was an excellent boxer beforehand, now we know he is right up with the best of them.

I can't help but feel for Groves this morning, he should be waking up a champion.

Not only did George Groves box like a Champion in there last night, He also conducted himself like a Champion,
Sadly the same cant be said for Carl Froch.

[Tykemania]

Not only did George Groves box like a Champion in there last night, He also conducted himself like a Champion,

Shame he behaved like a spoilt five year old throughout the build up, eh?

[gazza8]

Not only did George Groves box like a Champion in there last night, He also conducted himself like a Champion,

Shame he behaved like a spoilt five year old throughout the build up, eh?

Yeah because when your a 4/1shot and the fight is in ppv you hype it but by being the best of friends

Its showbiz!!

[WayoftheCass]

Lot of emotion running last night so I rewatched this morning with a level head.
How I had it
Rd1 10-8 Groves
Rd2 10-9 Groves
Rd3 10-9 Froch
Rd4 10-9 Groves
Rd5 10-9 Froch
Rd6 10-9 Groves
Rd7 10-10
Rd8 10-9 Froch
So going into the 9th I had Groves 2 pts up.
What was apparent was that he was slowing down and his punch resistance seemed to be ebbing away.
The stoppage was very poor but even so Froch was clearly winning the 9th.
Which means they were going into the championship rounds 10 to 12 with Groves 1 point up and Froch on the ascendancy.
I thought Howard Foster had a really bad night. First time I can remember him being so poor.


Sky really need to get better commentators on the mike. Halling should go back to the NFL and Watt should go into retirement. He gets ridiculously carried away.
I thought Groves was exceptional. With a bit more experience he could have won. I thought it was coming too soon for George and that was proved right. However, in a rematch I would give him the edge. Groves can get better, not sure Froch can.
But - what a great fight! Even watching it the second time I was on the edge of my seat.
I don't want the rematch. Let Froch have another bash at Ward and then retirement please.
Groves has proved himself and Matchroom need to get him another world title fight next.
Isn't it great to have another British superstar in the super middleweight division!

3rd was close but I gave it to Groves. Gave 7th to Groves also. Other than that agree. Watt's commentary was poor as usual. He ties his colours to the mast early and sticks with it. McCrory is $hit to. Worst of all time was Rawlins / McKenzie.
Anyway Groves was excellent but couldn't get Carl out of there and looked done to me when stopped all be it too early.

[Tykemania]

Yeah because when your a 4/1shot and the fight is in ppv you hype it but by being the best of friends

Its showbiz!!

There are plenty of ways of hyping the fight that don't involve behaving the way Groves did.

[Finch]

Froch is coming across as a right dickhead on SSN this morning.

He has a right chip on his shoulder.

[Tykemania]

Froch is coming across as a right dickhead on SSN this morning.

He has a right chip on his shoulder.

Not seen that - details?

[damianhucker1]

Groves wouldnt have won anyway , not sure why all the griping, yes the stoppage was premature, yes froch was more hurt in the 1st than groves was in the 9th , yes groves performed terrifically, and yes froch looked well off point.

But....

The tide was turning and i think froch would have stopped him in the 10th anyway, and if not then the scores would have been level after the 9th on 2 scorecards(rightly or wrongly , as id have still had froch 2 points down at the end of the 9th if it got to the bell) , with 3 rounds left and froch turning the heat up and groves fading, i think froch would have got the decision anyway.

get the rematch on and ill expect the same result, froch is aging but was poor last night , id expect him to be far better in a rematch but id also say groves can only learn from it and become better, after last night id say groves WILL become world champion, but it wont be at the expense of froch.

[Finch]

Froch is coming across as a right dickhead on SSN this morning.

He has a right chip on his shoulder.

Not seen that - details?

He reckons Howard Foster saved GG's career last night and saved him from some permanent damage that Froch was going to inflict on his with his net two shots.

Going on the attack to the interviewer defending the decision and bigging up his performance and resume suggesting the interviewer has no right to question the decision. He's so insecure and sensitive it is pathetic.

[martinmrts]

depends what you mean by 'better'.

froch won.

he took groves' best shots and was battering him at the end, whether the stoppage was premature or not

[Finch]

Groves wouldnt have won anyway , not sure why all the griping, yes the stoppage was premature, yes froch was more hurt in the 1st than groves was in the 9th , yes groves performed terrifically, and yes froch looked well off point.

But....

The tide was turning and i think froch would have stopped him in the 10th anyway, and if not then the scores would have been level after the 9th on 2 scorecards(rightly or wrongly , as id have still had froch 2 points down at the end of the 9th if it got to the bell) , with 3 rounds left and froch turning the heat up and groves fading, i think froch would have got the decision anyway.

get the rematch on and ill expect the same result, froch is aging but was poor last night , id expect him to be far better in a rematch but id also say groves can only learn from it and become better, after last night id say groves WILL become world champion, but it wont be at the expense of froch.

To acknowledge the stoppage was premature and then suggest it doesn't matter because you believe the tide was turning and Froch would have stopped him anyway, is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard on this Board.

It's a bit like saying it doesn't matter that Haye Fury is off and Haye's career is probably over because Fury would have beaten him anyway. Or it doesn't matter Pac v Floyd never happened because Floyd would have won anyway.

[Tykemania]

He reckons Howard Foster saved GG's career last night and saved him from some permanent damage that Froch was going to inflict on his with his net two shots.

Going on the attack to the interviewer defending the decision and bigging up his performance and resume suggesting the interviewer has no right to question the decision. He's so insecure and sensitive it is pathetic.

Not impressed by that - for a guy who is normally so rational that seem childish, like he's sinking to the level Groves attained before the fight itself. Far better to handle it with dignity, say yeah, we don't like each other but beyond that it was a great fight and leave it there.

[WayoftheCass]

Groves wouldnt have won anyway , not sure why all the griping, yes the stoppage was premature, yes froch was more hurt in the 1st than groves was in the 9th , yes groves performed terrifically, and yes froch looked well off point.

But....

The tide was turning and i think froch would have stopped him in the 10th anyway, and if not then the scores would have been level after the 9th on 2 scorecards(rightly or wrongly , as id have still had froch 2 points down at the end of the 9th if it got to the bell) , with 3 rounds left and froch turning the heat up and groves fading, i think froch would have got the decision anyway.

get the rematch on and ill expect the same result, froch is aging but was poor last night , id expect him to be far better in a rematch but id also say groves can only learn from it and become better, after last night id say groves WILL become world champion, but it wont be at the expense of froch.

To acknowledge the stoppage was premature and then suggest it doesn't matter because you believe the tide was turning and Froch would have stopped him anyway, is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard on this Board.

It's a bit like saying it doesn't matter that Haye Fury is off and Haye's career is probably over because Fury would have beaten him anyway. Or it doesn't matter Pac v Floyd never happened because Floyd would have won anyway.

I think it's valid to say that even though Foster waved it off 2-3 punches early it looked like a stoppage was inevitable. Personally I have little doubt that Groves wouldn't have heard the final bell. If I see a car's wheel blow out and a driver lose control I don't need to see it smash into a wall to know it's going to crash. Also your claim that such an opinion is the most absurd thing you have ever seen on this board is blatantly not true. There are vastly more absurd things written on here every day. The latest being the pole where 30% of people think if the fight hadn't been stopped Groves would have knocked Froch out!

[damianhucker1]

Groves wouldnt have won anyway , not sure why all the griping, yes the stoppage was premature, yes froch was more hurt in the 1st than groves was in the 9th , yes groves performed terrifically, and yes froch looked well off point.

But....

The tide was turning and i think froch would have stopped him in the 10th anyway, and if not then the scores would have been level after the 9th on 2 scorecards(rightly or wrongly , as id have still had froch 2 points down at the end of the 9th if it got to the bell) , with 3 rounds left and froch turning the heat up and groves fading, i think froch would have got the decision anyway.

get the rematch on and ill expect the same result, froch is aging but was poor last night , id expect him to be far better in a rematch but id also say groves can only learn from it and become better, after last night id say groves WILL become world champion, but it wont be at the expense of froch.

To acknowledge the stoppage was premature and then suggest it doesn't matter because you believe the tide was turning and Froch would have stopped him anyway, is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard on this Board.

It's a bit like saying it doesn't matter that Haye Fury is off and Haye's career is probably over because Fury would have beaten him anyway. Or it doesn't matter Pac v Floyd never happened because Floyd would have won anyway.

No mate, that very reply is far more rediculous than anything i said

[liamlion]

Not only did George Groves box like a Champion in there last night, He also conducted himself like a Champion,

Shame he behaved like a spoilt five year old throughout the build up, eh?

As opposed to Froch... Who in the build up to this fight showed himself to be nothing less than an egotist and bully, eh?

Groves reaally backed up his pre-fight talk and was great to see him visibly humble Froch in the first round with that heavy knockdown.

I think this fight will give Froch a much needed attitude adjustment.

[martinmrts]

Not only did George Groves box like a Champion in there last night, He also conducted himself like a Champion,

Shame he behaved like a spoilt five year old throughout the build up, eh?

As opposed to Froch... Who in the build up to this fight showed himself to be nothing less than an egotist and bully, eh?

Groves reaally backed up his pre-fight talk and was great to see him visibly humble Froch in the first round with that heavy knockdown.

I think this fight will give Froch a much needed attitude adjustment.

I don't think froch was entirely unreasonable post-fight. he called groves on stuff he said before the fight, said his piece and then shook hands. which is admirable isn't it ?

[ajwesty13]

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Groves will only get better! Run Carl, run!

Groves has always had stamina issues & his stamina was depleting fast once again.

If Groves can somehow overcome this issue, he beats Froch all day, every day, but while his stamina is a problem, you always have to have a nod towards Froch.

[liamlion]

I don't think froch was entirely unreasonable post-fight. he called groves on stuff he said before the fight, said his piece and then shook hands. which is admirable isn't it ?

My comments were purely about Froch pre-fight. But since you raise post fight, didnt Froch refuse to shake Groves' hand imnedaiety after the fight? That is poor form on any level.

The crowds reaction to Froch after the end of the fight said it all. Froch got taught a valuable lesson last night.

[fasteddie]

answer to this post,WHO WON THE FIGHT??????? hahaha

[keithmoonhangover]

Groves will only get better! Run Carl, run!

Groves put on his best performance and was being pummelled when the ref stopped the fight. He needs to get better, because what he did last night wasn't enough.