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[m1kee50]

Can anyone tell me what Groves' and Froch's points totals would have been had the fight gone to Groves by UD rather than Froch by stoppage?

[JCS]

Can anyone tell me what Groves' and Froch's points totals would have been had the fight gone to Groves by UD rather than Froch by stoppage?

Depends on the scores.

[m1kee50]

Can anyone tell me what Groves' and Froch's points totals would have been had the fight gone to Groves by UD rather than Froch by stoppage?

Depends on the scores.

Assuming Groves by 2 on all cards, say?

[JCS]

groves old = 394
froch old = 975


I believe Froch would be at 751.. I no longer have access to the code and the ratings description isn't clear as to where Groves would be placed because his point earn alone wouldn't put him over Froch... he would need further assistance.. I'd expect Groves to be around 800.

[computerrank]

Groves would be at around 700 points, just a bit higher than Froch.

Normal points win would see Grove behind Froch. So he would be set just a bit above the mean of the old ratings before the bout - and Froch a bit lower.

[JCS]

Groves would be at around 700 points, just a bit higher than Froch.

Normal points win would see Grove behind Froch. So he would be set just a bit above the mean of the old ratings before the bout - and Froch a bit lower.

[cold187]

why did froch go up to 1042 after tko victory vs groves, from 975

now 2 days later, he is back to 975 points. why has he lost points for????

[JCS]

why did froch go up to 1042 after tko victory vs groves, from 975

now 2 days later, he is back to 975 points. why has he lost points for????

I see him at 994. Still odd.

[computerrank]

Froch had a rating of 1042 points after his win on 2013-11-23.

But his best opponent Lucian Bute with 879 points before their bout on 2012-05-26 got out of scope after 18 months on 2013-11-26.

Now his best opponent is Mikkel Kessler with only 473 points before their bout.

This was somewhat less than the required 50% of his own rating. So Froch lost some points.

[cold187]

Froch had a rating of 1042 points after his win on 2013-11-23.

But his best opponent Lucian Bute with 879 points before their bout on 2012-05-26 got out of scope after 18 months on 2013-11-26.

Now his best opponent is Mikkel Kessler with only 473 points before their bout.

This was somewhat less than the required 50% of his own rating. So Froch lost some points.

but its not frochs fault that bute has notbeen fighting (or maybe it is). this way froch is penalised points due to another pesons inactivity.

also i saw solis vs leif larsen previosuly.

why when solis won by UD he lost points and larsen won points.

[computerrank]

Froch had a rating of 1042 points after his win on 2013-11-23.

But his best opponent Lucian Bute with 879 points before their bout on 2012-05-26 got out of scope after 18 months on 2013-11-26.

Now his best opponent is Mikkel Kessler with only 473 points before their bout.

This was somewhat less than the required 50% of his own rating. So Froch lost some points.

but its not frochs fault that bute has notbeen fighting (or maybe it is). this way froch is penalised points due to another pesons inactivity.

also i saw solis vs leif larsen previosuly.

why when solis won by UD he lost points and larsen won points.

The opponents are measured by their rating before the bout. And the boxer taking the opponent is responsible for choosing him.

So Froch was penalised for not choosing required quality opponents within the last 18 months.

Regarding Solis:

Solis lost points due to a relatively close decision on points and due to his superior rating before the bout.

[m1kee50]

ty for that

Out of interest...

Whats the highest points value that a fighter has had (so highest value during career)
and whats the biggest points gain that a fighter has had from a fight? I'm sure that second one has been answered before but I couldn't see anything through a search

[m1kee50]

Froch had a rating of 1042 points after his win on 2013-11-23.

But his best opponent Lucian Bute with 879 points before their bout on 2012-05-26 got out of scope after 18 months on 2013-11-26.

Now his best opponent is Mikkel Kessler with only 473 points before their bout.

This was somewhat less than the required 50% of his own rating. So Froch lost some points.

but its not frochs fault that bute has notbeen fighting (or maybe it is). this way froch is penalised points due to another pesons inactivity.

Not the case. Bute's subsequent fights do not impact Frochs points, indeed they arent talking about Butes subsequent 18 months, but Frochs.

The point decrease is down to the fact that in the last 18 months he hasnt fought as good a standard of opponent (according to the database) to replace Bute, who drops out of the calculation, as we see, just after the Groves fight.

Nothing to do with Butes fights subsequently, everything to do with Froch not keeping (according to the database) to the same standard of opponent

[cold187]

maybe kessler and groves didnt have as much points as bute did. but surely the calibre of the fighters and their ranking on boxrec should also be taken into account. groves and kessler were top 5 opponents on boxrec.

[computerrank]

maybe kessler and groves didnt have as much points as bute did. but surely the calibre of the fighters and their ranking on boxrec should also be taken into account. groves and kessler were top 5 opponents on boxrec.

Boxrec doesn't take into account rankings, but the point ratings only.

[computerrank]

ty for that

Out of interest...

Whats the highest points value that a fighter has had (so highest value during career)
and whats the biggest points gain that a fighter has had from a fight? I'm sure that second one has been answered before but I couldn't see anything through a search

Highest career rating (ratings after the bout)

Code: Select all

+------------+-------------+------+------------+------------+------+------------+
| first_name | last_name   | r_a  | first_name | last_name  | r_b  | date       |
+------------+-------------+------+------------+------------+------+------------+
| Rocky      | Marciano    | 6523 | Archie     | Moore      | 3349 | 1955-09-21 |
+------------+-------------+------+------------+------------+------+------------+

[computerrank]

ty for that

Out of interest...

Whats the highest points value that a fighter has had (so highest value during career)
and whats the biggest points gain that a fighter has had from a fight? I'm sure that second one has been answered before but I couldn't see anything through a search

Biggest points gain

Code: Select all

+------------+-------------+--------+------------+-------------+------------+
| first_name | last_name   | r_diff | first_name | last_name   | date       |
+------------+-------------+--------+------------+-------------+------------+
| Billy      | Backus      |   2115 | Jose       | Napoles     | 1970-12-03 |
| Joey       | Giardello   |   1935 | Dick       | Tiger       | 1963-12-07 |
| Randy      | Turpin      |   1931 | Sugar Ray  | Robinson    | 1951-07-10 |
| Young      | Corbett III |   1839 | Fred       | Apostoli    | 1938-02-22 |
| Young      | Corbett III |   1839 | Fred       | Apostoli    | 1938-02-22 |
| Lew        | Jenkins     |   1805 | Lou        | Ambers      | 1940-05-10 |
| Sammy      | Angott      |   1781 | Bob        | Montgomery  | 1942-03-06 |
| LC         | Morgan      |   1755 | Jose       | Napoles     | 1966-08-22 |
| Jersey Joe | Walcott     |   1730 | Ezzard     | Charles     | 1951-07-18 |
| Rocky      | Marciano    |   1719 | Archie     | Moore       | 1955-09-21 |
| Fritzie    | Zivic       |   1656 | Henry      | Armstrong   | 1940-10-04 |
| Mike       | Kaplan      |   1648 | Fritzie    | Zivic       | 1941-04-18 |
| Fred       | Apostoli    |   1621 | Young      | Corbett III | 1938-11-18 |
| Willie     | Joyce       |   1612 | Henry      | Armstrong   | 1943-03-02 |
| Del        | Flanagan    |   1597 | Virgil     | Akins       | 1958-09-18 |
| Freddie    | Cochrane    |   1591 | Fritzie    | Zivic       | 1941-07-29 |
| Sugar Ray  | Leonard     |   1590 | Marvin     | Hagler      | 1987-04-06 |
| Eduardo    | Duarry      |   1581 | Tony       | Herrera     | 1933-09-18 |
| Chuck      | Woods       |   1544 | Tony       | Canzoneri   | 1935-02-26 |
| Al Bummy   | Davis       |   1538 | Bob        | Montgomery  | 1944-02-18 |
| Beau       | Jack        |   1521 | Bob        | Montgomery  | 1943-11-19 |
| Lou        | Ambers      |   1511 | Tony       | Canzoneri   | 1936-09-03 |
| Billy      | Soose       |   1506 | Ken        | Overlin     | 1940-07-24 |
+------------+-----------+--------+------------+---------------+------------+

[keithmoonhangover]

Is there a way of finding out what the top ten heavyweights looked like the day after Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson?

[JCS]

Geez Martin, you should be getting a paycheck at this point.

[computerrank]

Geez Martin, you should be getting a paycheck at this point.

:!:

[computerrank]

Is there a way of finding out what the top ten heavyweights looked like the day after Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson?

[keithmoonhangover]

Is there a way of finding out what the top ten heavyweights looked like the day after Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson?

Very good sir.

[m1kee50]

Is there a way of finding out what the top ten heavyweights looked like the day after Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson?

that is fcuking quality. and yes you do deserve a special nod martin, JCS said next time he sees you he's getting you a pint from all of us.

[m1kee50]

ty for that

Out of interest...

Whats the highest points value that a fighter has had (so highest value during career)
and whats the biggest points gain that a fighter has had from a fight? I'm sure that second one has been answered before but I couldn't see anything through a search

Biggest points gain

Code: Select all

+------------+-------------+--------+------------+-------------+------------+
| first_name | last_name   | r_diff | first_name | last_name   | date       |
+------------+-------------+--------+------------+-------------+------------+
| Young      | Corbett III |   1839 | Fred       | Apostoli    | 1938-02-22 |
| Young      | Corbett III |   1839 | Fred       | Apostoli    | 1938-02-22 |
+------------+-----------+--------+------------+---------------+------------+

thats a duplicate result there

[Cap]

I see Roberts Helenius is ranked 5th despite not fighting since March.