Groves is better than Froch. That has now been established

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answer to this post,WHO WON THE FIGHT??????? hahaha

The ref.

oh right he must of jumped in when groves didnt even get hit the way some people are going on,if boxing fans dont understand this morning why foster stopped it then they wanna see people put in coma's or hurt real bad,foster was right to stop the fight before groves got seriously hurt

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[liamlion]

oh right he must of jumped in when groves didnt even get hit the way some people are going on,if boxing fans dont understand this morning why foster stopped it then they wanna see people put in coma's or hurt real bad,foster was right to stop the fight before groves got seriously hurt

Complete tripe. Have a day off. Absolutely appaling stoppage.

By your logic, surely then ref should have stopped the fight after Froch was heavily dropped and clearly unsteady on his feet in the first round??... No, of course not. It's a world championship boxing match for Christ's sake and an extremely competitive one at tthat!

Froch was given an absolute gift and he will know that.

[stevedoc]

Groves will only get better! Run Carl, run!

Groves put on his best performance and was being pummelled when the ref stopped the fight. He needs to get better, because what he did last night wasn't enough.

froch won 20 seconds of the fight ,groves dominated froch and the stoppage was as clear a fix as i have seen in a ring .disgrace

[keithmoonhangover]

Groves will only get better! Run Carl, run!

Groves put on his best performance and was being pummelled when the ref stopped the fight. He needs to get better, because what he did last night wasn't enough.

froch won 20 seconds of the fight ,groves dominated froch and the stoppage was as clear a fix as i have seen in a ring .disgrace

Froch won more than 20 seconds of the fight, but it doesn't matter how much of the fight he won. Its not an 8 round fight, it's a 12 round fight. Froch was landing big shots, Groves wasn't throwing back and there was a minute and a half left in the round. Groves' legs were still wobbly 45 seconds after the stoppage. Can you imagine what damage another 45 seconds of Froch's bombs would do? I've watched the fight twice more this morning and while I agree it was an early stoppage, Groves was saved some seriously damaging blows to the head.

[keithmoonhangover]

Groves will only get better! Run Carl, run!

Groves put on his best performance and was being pummelled when the ref stopped the fight. He needs to get better, because what he did last night wasn't enough.

Pummeled? How does Rachel feel about you hanging from Froch cock?

Oh dear, you're acting like a twelve year old again.

Froch won the fight, you're just going to have to get used to it.

[handsofstone]

It was definitely a poor stoppage from the ref but its easy to get carried away here because

A-it was a world championship fight
B-Groves was in total control prior to getting hurt
C-it was a real grudge match which always sets people emotions running wild

But it actually wasnt nearly the worst stoppage we,ve ever seen,Groves was hurt and was there for the taking but because of his superb performance and the way he won the crowd around,it was always gonna leave a bad taste

Howard Foster robbed us of finding out who would sink or swim,if this was a British title fight and a fight between 2 people who we didnt have too much of an opinion on,then im sure there would be a few more Boxrecers saying it was the correct call


But it wasnt a British title fight and Groves must be devastated,As much as i feel for Froch getting booed after a terrific turn around,i cant help feeling he lacked class post fight,fair enough getting irate in the interview coz to be fair he finished the fight excellant and was being jeered for something that wasnt his call but refusing handshake and trying to belittle George after what he done was quite poor and shows why some people cant take to his personality

[mchuffy]

Immediately before the ref grabbed Groves, Groves looked like he had had enough and was about to turn his back on Froch, premature stoppage yeah, it's annoyed me mainly because Froch had just turned it up, Groves was just starting to cower and we were just entering the inevitable stamina loss stage of Groves. Froch was no where near done and would have stopped him no matter what. people seem surprised that Froch got outboxed, it always happens (bar Arthur) he doesn't care about a points win but looks to turn fights into wars in the later rounds.

[crusader]

I meant how did the commentators have it, as I watched the fight without sound. I can also form my own opinion, so maybe I can join your special club of the few who listened to this supposedly biased commentary without being brainwashed into thinking Groves was several points ahead. While we're coming up with factors that influenced how people scored the bout, let me suggest that perhaps the commentary was so biased in your opinion that you tried, whether aware or not, to balance it by viewing the fight from a pro-Froch perspective. I didn't have the sound on, so I'm free of this type of bias stemming from commentary.

I didn't see Froch land many shots until the final rounds, and even when he did through the first 7 Groves was landing more and landing better. Froch looked timid, confused, and lacking in confidence for much of the fight, and he generally missed wildly when he rushed Groves. I cannot see how any fair grounds for giving him half of the rounds. But hey, it all came down to the commentary, didn't it?

Nope, it didn't - I'm quite intelligent enough to be able to analyse what I was hearing and form my own impression both about the commentary itself (shockingly bad) and the fight (a lot closer than the commentators had it?) - I wasn't trying to make allowances for Froch, merely reflecting on the fact that he was landing as many solid shots as Groves and looked to be making more headway with them.

Then why assume it had such a great impact on others? Are you special?

As I said, I watched without commentary and had Groves well ahead. One could come to the same conclusions for many reasons that had nothing to do with what the commentators were saying.

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oh right he must of jumped in when groves didnt even get hit the way some people are going on,if boxing fans dont understand this morning why foster stopped it then they wanna see people put in coma's or hurt real bad,foster was right to stop the fight before groves got seriously hurt

Complete tripe. Have a day off. Absolutely appaling stoppage.

By your logic, surely then ref should have stopped the fight after Froch was heavily dropped and clearly unsteady on his feet in the first round??... No, of course not. It's a world championship boxing match for Christ's sake and an extremely competitive one at tthat!

Froch was given an absolute gift and he will know that.

there was less than 10 seconds when he got up so ye he was unsteady for the rest of the round,10 seconds,each to their own mate. now im going away for a day off cause you told me too hahahaha

[Monte Fisto]

[quote="mchuffy"] Froch was no where near done and would have stopped him no matter what. quote]


Russell Grant, is that you??

We will never know what would have happened, we all have our own opinions but they mean nout.

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Froch was no where near done and would have stopped him no matter what. quote]


Russell Grant, is that you??

We will never know what would have happened, we all have our own opinions but they mean nout.

spot on mate we all have an opinion

[Tanzio]

After watching it again (for the 3rd time) the ref did Groves a serious favor. Now he is a boxer who has suffered a horrendous injustice, rather than a young lion who was drowned in deep water.

[liamlion]

oh right he must of jumped in when groves didnt even get hit the way some people are going on,if boxing fans dont understand this morning why foster stopped it then they wanna see people put in coma's or hurt real bad,foster was right to stop the fight before groves got seriously hurt

Complete tripe. Have a day off. Absolutely appaling stoppage.

By your logic, surely then ref should have stopped the fight after Froch was heavily dropped and clearly unsteady on his feet in the first round??... No, of course not. It's a world championship boxing match for Christ's sake and an extremely competitive one at tthat!

Froch was given an absolute gift and he will know that.

there was less than 10 seconds when he got up so ye he was unsteady for the rest of the round,10 seconds,each to their own mate. now im going away for a day off cause you told me too hahahaha

But the point being, Groves was nowhere near as hurt at the time of stoppage as Froch clearly was in the first round.

Youve done a great job recently, have the rest of the week off while youre at it.

[THEBUTCH]

I've seen the fight 3 times and the stoppage gets worse each time.

It's just insulting to Groves' winning nature to suggest he was anywhere near finished. He wasn't given a fair chance to ride out ONE tough patch in a fight he was otherwise winning.

Froch was emptying his tank at a fast rate and Groves has super recuperative powers.

[jamesmcdonnell]

At the end of the day, people need to remember, Froch is not the judge, he can only do what he did. The ref had to make a calll, it's a hard job. Howard foster junior is a good ref, and his main responsibility is to protect the fighters, it's easy to cry foul but at the end of the day, the ref has to make a snap judgement to protect the boxer.

[CheckHook]

Froch was emptying his tank at a fast rate and Groves has super recuperative powers.

I'm surprised by this opinion from people if I'm honest... One thing that seemed pretty clear at the time of the stoppage was that George was gassing and Froch, despite still taking some huge shots, still looked like he had a reserve of stamina.

[keithmoonhangover]

At the end of the day, people need to remember, Froch is not the judge, he can only do what he did. The ref had to make a calll, it's a hard job. Howard foster junior is a good ref, and his main responsibility is to protect the fighters, it's easy to cry foul but at the end of the day, the ref has to make a snap judgement to protect the boxer.

I agree mate. Froch is taking an enormous amount of stick and he didn't stop the fight.

[states]

I've finally watched the fight today, and honestly, I was expecting far worse. It's an undoubtedly premature stoppage, but one that robbed both fighters. Froch looked to be really coming on, but Groves had been excellent to that point. Howard Foster did neither of them a favour there.

[TheCobra]

Groves was saved prematurely. The fight should have been left to continue and I foresaw a Jermain taylor type ending. Difference being Taylor got given EVERY chance in a world title fight to take a shedload of beats, go down, get back up, take a load more beats then get saved. That's how boxing should be in my opinion.

These men don't go through hell in training to be stopped before they are ready, let them go out on their shield and let's stop all this preamture ref stoppages, cos it's something that has crept into British boxing in the last few years anyway. If we were all so worried about fighters being damaged then why do we pay so much to watch these men beat lumps out of each other?

It's a mans game, a mans sport and Groves should have been left to go out on his shield - which I think he would have and then Froch would have been being celebrated today for pulling another comeback out of the bag.

[banjo]

It's mental when you consider 25 years ago Nigel Benn got knocked down and then tagged with over 20 unanswered punches before unleashing a punch which left Anthony Logan flat out, never get that chance here today, probably not even abroad either.

[rio]

That was the type of stoppage you like to see when some pig punching prospect is fighting a Latvian tomato can but not a evenly matched world title fight. Its a same this wont be mentioned in the same breath as benn/eubank because of the ending, the fans and fighters felt cheated, there was no definitive outcome because of incompetent referring. For what its worth I think George would have held on and won via ud.

[broomy7s]

Lot of emotion running last night so I rewatched this morning with a level head.
How I had it
Rd1 10-8 Groves
Rd2 10-9 Groves
Rd3 10-9 Froch
Rd4 10-9 Groves
Rd5 10-9 Froch
Rd6 10-9 Groves
Rd7 10-10
Rd8 10-9 Froch
So going into the 9th I had Groves 2 pts up.
What was apparent was that he was slowing down and his punch resistance seemed to be ebbing away.
The stoppage was very poor but even so Froch was clearly winning the 9th.
Which means they were going into the championship rounds 10 to 12 with Groves 1 point up and Froch on the ascendancy.
I thought Howard Foster had a really bad night. First time I can remember him being so poor.
Sky really need to get better commentators on the mike. Halling should go back to the NFL and Watt should go into retirement. He gets ridiculously carried away.
I thought Groves was exceptional. With a bit more experience he could have won. I thought it was coming too soon for George and that was proved right. However, in a rematch I would give him the edge. Groves can get better, not sure Froch can.
But - what a great fight! Even watching it the second time I was on the edge of my seat.
I don't want the rematch. Let Froch have another bash at Ward and then retirement please.
Groves has proved himself and Matchroom need to get him another world title fight next.
Isn't it great to have another British superstar in the super middleweight division!

Great post

[oliverc]

The two fighters were not operating on a level playing field last night. Froch was given every opportunity to live up to his 'warrior' billing whilst Groves was stopped after a single flurry. Prior to that final, ultimately conclusive flurry, George had been winning pretty much every exchange. The first time Carl lands a few telling blows to the head in succession Howard decides to jump in.

As Groves said in the post fight interview preconceptions decided the outcome of this fight - George is 'chinny' and 'fragile' and Carl is a 'warrior' who never gasses. Thanks to Foster's incompetence the 'victor' can not truly revel in his tainted victory, and the 'loser' has to go back to the table and beg for a rematch which by rights should've been his to grant.

[THEBUTCH]

That's 100% correct.

And for those who are saying Froch can only do what he did and Referee makes the decision, well of course, that is the case, however, Froch's behaviour, comments and attitude stunk. The guy is a self-involved @rsehole.