Was Froch finished in R1 if Groves had 30 secs longer?

TopGun · Post by **TopGun** » 25 Nov 2013, 11:30

Had George had an extra 30 seconds left of round 1 I believe Froch would have been knocked out cold. He was fortunate it happened in the dying seconds. Knowing that Froch finishes well is it a good game plan to jump on him early in future if you know you have the KO power?

Chris W 1982 · Post by **Chris W 1982** » 25 Nov 2013, 11:32

Impossible to say.

Just like it's impossible to say if Froch would've stopped Groves if Foster didn't intervene.

One thing I will say though is that I'd much rather be in Groves' position in round one then Froch's in round nine if there was 30seconds left in the round.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 25 Nov 2013, 11:42

Chris W 1982 wrote:Impossible to say.

Just like it's impossible to say if Froch would've stopped Groves if Foster didn't intervene.

One thing I will say though is that I'd much rather be in Groves' position in round one then Froch's in round nine if there was 30seconds left in the round.

Yep - agree all round.

lefty · Post by **lefty** » 25 Nov 2013, 11:43

TopGun wrote:Had George had an extra 30 seconds left of round 1 I believe Froch would have been knocked out cold. He was fortunate it happened in the dying seconds. Knowing that Froch finishes well is it a good game plan to jump on him early in future if you know you have the KO power?

I disagree. After the knockdown, Groves proceeded to hit Froch with another 2 heavy right hands and they just bounced off of Froch's jaw. I really dont know what he's made of to be honest.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 25 Nov 2013, 11:46

Hmm. Probably best to wait for a better sample before reading too much into these results.

TheCobra · Post by **TheCobra** » 25 Nov 2013, 12:01

It's hypothetical, but I say possibly. Froch was buzzed and didn't look good, but as someone else said, it wasn't like he didn't take any more punches. He tooks a couple more very heavy digs and stood up to it. 30 seconds more, who knows?

Those saying they'd rather be in Froch's position than Groves? I don't think so. I'd rather be down in Round 1 caught cold but still have all my stamina and strength to dig into, than be exhausted in Round 9 on the end of a Froch barrage.

Chris W 1982 · Post by **Chris W 1982** » 25 Nov 2013, 12:23

It was me who said it.

Froch was floored and absolutely buzzed. Groves was neither of these things.

orbtastic · Post by **orbtastic** » 25 Nov 2013, 12:33

He was slightly square on and although up quickly, his legs did a bit of a dance and he was on the ropes after straightening up i.e. I think he got up far too quickly. Definitely hurt him though.

ScottDetonator · Post by **ScottDetonator** » 25 Nov 2013, 12:40

Chris W 1982 wrote:It was me who said it.

Froch was floored and absolutely buzzed. Groves was neither of these things.

Groves didn't throw a punch in the 30 seconds before the stoppage while Froch threw over 30 shots, 10 landing on Groves head, his legs were all over the place as he turned away and fell into the ref - but he wasn't buzzed??

lillywhite14 · Post by **lillywhite14** » 25 Nov 2013, 12:43

Clearly hurt him. Not enough though.

As Colombo says, about five seconds after the count ends he gets hit with two big shots again, which just bounced off his nut. Its almost as if Froch decided to adjust his chin to deal with Groves power!

Just watched GG on sky sports news. Its embarrassing hearing people say its a travesty that Froch has the win/Groves the loss on his record. The stoppage was premature but its not as if it was a terrible points decision, where Groves actually won the fight. It was round 9. It was scheduled for 12. What next? Vitali beat Lewis...embarrassing.

Groves didnt win the fight, I find it hard that people cannot understand this.

Lets hope the rematch happens.

CheckHook · Post by **CheckHook** » 25 Nov 2013, 12:44

Groves should've committed himself more every time he had Froch hurt, but he said himself in the post fight interview that he didn't want to rush in and go for the KO as he respected Carl's chin too much, which is why for the most part he didn't follow up any of the times he had Froch hurt and why he was never going to stop Carl.

Chris W 1982 · Post by **Chris W 1982** » 25 Nov 2013, 12:45

ScottDetonator wrote:
Chris W 1982 wrote:It was me who said it.

Froch was floored and absolutely buzzed. Groves was neither of these things.
Groves didn't throw a punch in the 30 seconds before the stoppage while Froch threw over 30 shots, 10 landing on Groves head, his legs were all over the place as he turned away and fell into the ref - but he wasn't buzzed??

So Groves was under attack for 30 seconds without throwing a punch? Do you know how long 30 seconds is? It's an eternity in fighting terms. His legs weren't all over the place and he never fell into the referee.

You sure you wasn't watching Tyson/Berbick?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 25 Nov 2013, 12:50

Chris W 1982 wrote:It was me who said it.

Froch was floored and absolutely buzzed. Groves was neither of these things.

The fact Groves didn't go down was what counted against him. Had he gone down, then he would have had a count and a respite - just because he didn't go down, does not mean he wasn't in trouble.

Carl recovered very quickly from the knockdown, considering what a monster shot it was, and his legs were steady under him after that initial dance.

I remember that Frank Bruno, every single time he was stopped, was stopped on his feet, some fighters don't go down when they are hurt , it's even more dangerous as it means they can take an extra 5-6 shots when they are not able to defend themselves.

ScottDetonator · Post by **ScottDetonator** » 25 Nov 2013, 12:58

Chris W 1982 wrote:
ScottDetonator wrote:
Chris W 1982 wrote:It was me who said it.

Froch was floored and absolutely buzzed. Groves was neither of these things.
Groves didn't throw a punch in the 30 seconds before the stoppage while Froch threw over 30 shots, 10 landing on Groves head, his legs were all over the place as he turned away and fell into the ref - but he wasn't buzzed??
So Groves was under attack for 30 seconds without throwing a punch? Do you know how long 30 seconds is? It's an eternity in fighting terms. His legs weren't all over the place and he never fell into the referee.

You sure you wasn't watching Tyson/Berbick?

Perhaps you should actually go back and watch the fight then because Groves didn't throw a punch back as I have all ready stated.

lillywhite14 · Post by **lillywhite14** » 25 Nov 2013, 13:20

Berbick wasn't under sustained attack for 30 seconds without throwing back.

Einherjar · Post by **Einherjar** » 25 Nov 2013, 13:44

Chris W 1982 wrote:
ScottDetonator wrote:
Chris W 1982 wrote:It was me who said it.

Froch was floored and absolutely buzzed. Groves was neither of these things.
Groves didn't throw a punch in the 30 seconds before the stoppage while Froch threw over 30 shots, 10 landing on Groves head, his legs were all over the place as he turned away and fell into the ref - but he wasn't buzzed??
So Groves was under attack for 30 seconds without throwing a punch? Do you know how long 30 seconds is? It's an eternity in fighting terms. His legs weren't all over the place and he never fell into the referee.

You sure you wasn't watching Tyson/Berbick?

From 1.56 to 1.26 the time of the stoppage Groves threw 5 punches which all missed.

ScottDetonator · Post by **ScottDetonator** » 25 Nov 2013, 15:00

[/quote]From 1.56 to 1.26 the time of the stoppage Groves threw 5 punches which all missed.[/quote]

Start the clock from 1.53/54 and George only throws 2 from the ropes that were totally wide and desperation shots. Almost 30 seconds, call it 25 but it still remains that he didn't/couldn't throw back and was badly hurt.

lefthook82 · Post by **lefthook82** » 25 Nov 2013, 16:05

CheckHook wrote:Groves should've committed himself more every time he had Froch hurt, but he said himself in the post fight interview that he didn't want to rush in and go for the KO as he respected Carl's chin too much, which is why for the most part he didn't follow up any of the times he had Froch hurt and why he was never going to stop Carl.

He should not have let him off the hook like that.

ajwesty13 · Post by **ajwesty13** » 25 Nov 2013, 16:14

columbo wrote:
TopGun wrote:Had George had an extra 30 seconds left of round 1 I believe Froch would have been knocked out cold. He was fortunate it happened in the dying seconds. Knowing that Froch finishes well is it a good game plan to jump on him early in future if you know you have the KO power?
I disagree. After the knockdown, Groves proceeded to hit Froch with another 2 heavy right hands and they just bounced off of Froch's jaw. I really dont know what he's made of to be honest.

it ridiculous how hard froch is really .. i said yes because even his legs looked unsteady however we will never know just like the ending

rossij8 · Post by **rossij8** » 26 Nov 2013, 06:38

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
I remember that Frank Bruno, every single time he was stopped, was stopped on his feet, some fighters don't go down when they are hurt , it's even more dangerous as it means they can take an extra 5-6 shots when they are not able to defend themselves.

I can't remember Bruno complaining much each time to be honest, the opposite of Groves