Michael Spinks vs Jack Dempsey@Heavyweight(PRIME)

zuru · Post by **zuru** » 18 Nov 2005, 14:35

Pretty much the same advantages as against Marciano,except I think Dempsey was quicker than Rocky,and maybe didn't hit as one punch hard as Rocky,but was just as brutal(if not more)because of the speed and savagery with which he punched.Spinks would have to rely on his defense heavily,and hope to outbox the onrushing Dempsey,but eventually he would get caught.Dempsey by savage K.O.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 18 Nov 2005, 14:36

Dempsey KO in the 1st round.

DR Vooh · Post by **DR Vooh** » 19 Nov 2005, 00:53

I think the boxers of the past were great too, but GEeeezzze the size and weight today!! I mean does anyone thing Rocky Marciano, whom I adore,at 182, would have a chance agianst these 230 plus guys?? I mean, Tyson
is only about 5'9"...but was at 230 and solid..I mean hitting him is like hitting a wall...They are far bigger, heavier, and stronger than the dempseys..Loius...Marcianos...Jersy Joes...etc...etc

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 19 Nov 2005, 00:56

Dempsey KO 1 spinx

bollox · Post by **bollox** » 19 Nov 2005, 01:09

Would it be ridiculous to say that Spinks wasn't in his prime at HW?

A 175 pound version of Spinks at HW outboxes Dempsey

barry · Post by **barry** » 19 Nov 2005, 01:13

Dempsey by quick knockout...1, 2 or 3 rounds!

dalek · Post by **dalek** » 19 Nov 2005, 02:49

yep dempsey and very quick.could be a first round blow out.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 19 Nov 2005, 02:50

bollox wrote:Would it be ridiculous to say that Spinks wasn't in his prime at HW?

A 175 pound version of Spinks at HW outboxes Dempsey

no version of spinx lasts 3 rounds with dempsey

theone · Post by **theone** » 19 Nov 2005, 08:57

Give Dempsey some movement and a respectible punch and you have a shot. Guys like Bill Brennan, Tommy Gibbons and even "fat" Willie Meehan gave Dempsey fits by actually boxing him and not just standing there or charging into him like all of the lummox's he fought did. Spinks would outbox Dempsey most of the fight most likely even dropping him somewhere along the way, until eventually Jack catches up to him late and stops him in the nick of time. Dempsey tko 12, in a very tough fight.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 19 Nov 2005, 16:24

theone wrote:Give Dempsey some movement and a respectible punch and you have a shot. Guys like Bill Brennan, Tommy Gibbons and even "fat" Willie Meehan gave Dempsey fits by actually boxing him and not just standing there or charging into him like all of the lummox's he fought did. Spinks would outbox Dempsey most of the fight most likely even dropping him somewhere along the way, until eventually Jack catches up to him late and stops him in the nick of time. Dempsey tko 12, in a very tough fight.

brennan did not give dempsey fits. dempsey was in comman the whole fight

- dempsey outboxed a master boxer in gibbons, and there was speculation dempsey carried gibbons

- wille meehan fights were 4 rounders, wille meehan refused to fight more than 4 rounders cause he said he would lasnt against dempsey.

- also i might add a lot of those 4 rounders were hometown decisions and questionable decisions

theone · Post by **theone** » 19 Nov 2005, 17:05

brennan did not give dempsey fits. dempsey was in comman the whole fight

You are absolutely wrong about this. Check your sources again.

wille meehan fights were 4 rounders, wille meehan refused to fight more than 4 rounders cause he said he would lasnt against dempsey.

- also i might add a lot of those 4 rounders were hometown decisions and questionable decisions

The point was that if someone like Meehan could last and be competitive against Dempsey even for four rounds then someone like Spinks most certainly could. Although I reiterate, i believe Dempsey would have eventually won after a tough battle.

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 19 Nov 2005, 18:16

umm....

Dempsey round 2 TKo.. swarms spinks until he can stand straight.

tiredoldngrey · Post by **tiredoldngrey** » 19 Nov 2005, 21:03

Dempsey demolishes Spinks within 4.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 20 Nov 2005, 10:17

theone wrote:The point was that if someone like Meehan could last and be competitive against Dempsey even for four rounds then someone like Spinks most certainly could. Although I reiterate, i believe Dempsey would have eventually won after a tough battle.

Styles make fights and comparing the Meehan-Dempsey fights to the theoretical Dempsey-Spinks matchup is irrelevant -- Meehan and Spinks fighting styles were as different as night and day. And don't short change the weight challenged Meehan. He was actually a pretty good fighter and also held a solid win over Sam Langford.

theone · Post by **theone** » 20 Nov 2005, 10:35

Styles make fights and comparing the Meehan-Dempsey fights to the theoretical Dempsey-Spinks matchup is irrelevant --

Its totally relevant. It was Meheen's spees and movement that frustrated Dempsey. If a fighter of his calibre could do that whose to say that someone as great as Spinks couldnt? I dont think he would have done it all night but I believe he would have given a better account of himself than most people think. Dempsey would win eventually but wouldnt find an easy mark in Spinks.

And don't short change the weight challenged Meehan. He was actually a pretty good fighter and also held a solid win over Sam Langford.

A win against an old fat Langford aside, Meehan was a journey man level fighter who could from time to time muster up a pretty good preformance. Dont make him out to be any more than that.

Gordon · Post by **Gordon** » 21 Nov 2005, 06:12

If Spinks comes into the fight willing to fight and sticks to his game plan then yes I can see him out boxing Jack.

But if Mike gets spooked the way he was against Tyson then we see a carbon copy of the Spinks- Tyson fight.

Spinks was a frightened rabbit that night and Dempsey had a similar Reputation to Tysons inside the ring.

ebeneezer · Post by **ebeneezer** » 21 Nov 2005, 10:56

Decagon wrote:I wouldn't be so quick to say that Dempsey wins this fight easily. Take the Michael Spinks of 1982 and the Jack Dempsey of 1919 or 1920, and you have a damn good fight. Here's a download of Dempsey's fight with Georges Carpentier from 1921:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TRBSFEZD

Carpentier - who isn't 1/10 the light heavyweight as Spinks was - was able to avoid many of Dempsey's punches with movement, boxing and the clinch. More importantly, he was able to land his big stuff in return. Dempsey could be outboxed, and Spinks's right hand was very dangerous. I'd still make Dempsey a -350 favorite, but Spinks is a live underdog.

The Carpentier fight is hardly the best one to judge Dempsey`s abilities on due to the fact that Jack was under strict instructions from Tex Rickard to carry Georges for a few rounds because of the record breaking crowd in Boyles thirty acres saying "Jack if you kill him you kill boxing".

Dempsey came out in the early rounds not throwing combinations andpulling straight back from punches,instead of using his famous head rolling defense, and got caught flush by Carpentier a few times.

The Tommy Gibbons bout is probably the best Jack Dempsey performance on film.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 21 Nov 2005, 11:08

Spinks pulls a Gene Tunney and outboxes him.

ebeneezer · Post by **ebeneezer** » 21 Nov 2005, 12:16

Grimm wrote:Spinks pulls a Gene Tunney and outboxes him.

We are talking prime vs prime.

Dempsey was inactive for 3 years and past his prime when he fought Tunney.

In the rematch,despite the fact that Jack`s reflexes and timing were shot, that he still caught Tunney and almost knocked him out is quite amazing and makes you wonder what a prime Dempsey from 1918 would have done to him.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 21 Nov 2005, 15:02

Grimm wrote:Spinks pulls a Gene Tunney and outboxes him.

dempsey was well past his prime and full of ring rust when he fought tunney. just look at the tape, hes slower, less mobile, less aggresive, etc.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 22 Nov 2005, 08:28

ebeneezer wrote:
Grimm wrote:Spinks pulls a Gene Tunney and outboxes him.
We are talking prime vs prime.

Dempsey was inactive for 3 years and past his prime when he fought Tunney.

In the rematch,despite the fact that Jack`s reflexes and timing were shot, that he still caught Tunney and almost knocked him out is quite amazing and makes you wonder what a prime Dempsey from 1918 would have done to him.

Yes I know this, but Spinks was also much slicker/weirder than Tunney and I think he would leave any version of Dempsey confused.