British Top 30 P4P December 2013

[Horse]

1. (1.) Carl Froch
2. (2.) Ricky Burns
3. (3.) David Haye
4. (4.) Martin Murray
5. (5.) Darren Barker
6. (8.) George Groves
7. (6.) Amir Khan
8. (7.) Tyson Fury
9. (13.) Ola Afolabi
10. (9.) Kell Brook

11. (10.) Carl Frampton
12. (11.) Tony Bellew
13. (12.) Jamie McDonnell
14. (15.) Scott Quigg
15. (19.) James DeGale
16. (18.) Dereck Chisora
17. (14.) Nathan Cleverly
18. (16.) Lee Selby
19. (17.) Matthew Macklin
20. (23.) Lee Haskins

21. (20.) Brian Rose
22. (21.) Billy Joe Saunders
23. (22.) Frankie Gavin
24. (27.) Anthony Crolla
25. (24.) Derry Mathews
26. (26.) Stephen Smith
27. (25.) Darren Hamilton
28. (29.) Andy Lee (Irish)
29. (28.) Gavin Rees
30. (NE.) Kid Galahad

Out - (30.) John Simpson

[Horse]

Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.

[keithmoonhangover]

Not being funny like, but the record books say Groves lost. Surely you don't go up two places for losing a fight.

[ThereByTheGrace]

Take Haye out of the rankings please. He has retired (for a couple of months)

[Horse]

Not being funny like, but the record books say Groves lost. Surely you don't go up two places for losing a fight.

He can move up and he did.

[Horse]

Take Haye out of the rankings please. He has retired (for a couple of months)

I'll probably take him out next month.

[jackukmma]

Take Haye out of the rankings please. He has retired (for a couple of months)

I'll probably take him out next month.

What's the point asking for opinions if your just going to do what you want anyway? Murray above Barker is a joke and Haye is pretty much retired. No fight for over a year nothing in the near future either

[Horse]

What's the point asking for opinions if your just going to do what you want anyway?

I just said I'd take him out. Very odd reaction.

Murray above Barker is a joke and Haye is pretty much retired. No fight for over a year nothing in the near future either

Murray being above Barker is a reasonable decision.

[jackukmma]

How is it a reasonable decision? Murray hasn't beaten a top name yet. Barker has and has the world title. Seriously who is Murray best win? He's not even top 10 for me let alone above Barker

[Horse]

How is it a reasonable decision? Murray hasn't beaten a top name yet. Barker has and has the world title. Seriously who is Murray best win? He's not even top 10 for me let alone above Barker

Murray beat Sturm and Martinez on my scorecards.

[jackukmma]

How is it a reasonable decision? Murray hasn't beaten a top name yet. Barker has and has the world title. Seriously who is Murray best win? He's not even top 10 for me let alone above Barker

Murray beat Sturm and Martinez on my scorecards.

He was lucky to get a draw with Sturm for me and although out in a spirited effort against Martinez he couldn't beat him when he practically only had one leg. The records show his best win is Nick Blackwell at British level. You can't possibly have him above Barker unless it's a popularity contest not a record based one.

[taffytoon]

Total Bollox

[taffytoon]

How is it a reasonable decision? Murray hasn't beaten a top name yet. Barker has and has the world title. Seriously who is Murray best win? He's not even top 10 for me let alone above Barker

Murray beat Sturm and Martinez on my scorecards.

Your scorecards

[ShadrachSimmo]

Tommy Coyle should be no 28.

[Horse]

He was lucky to get a draw with Sturm for me and although out in a spirited effort against Martinez he couldn't beat him when he practically only had one leg. The records show his best win is Nick Blackwell at British level. You can't possibly have him above Barker unless it's a popularity contest not a record based one.

I disagree.

[Horse]

Total Bollox

Nope.

[expe]

How is it a reasonable decision? Murray hasn't beaten a top name yet. Barker has and has the world title. Seriously who is Murray best win? He's not even top 10 for me let alone above Barker

Murray beat Sturm and Martinez on my scorecards.

He was lucky to get a draw with Sturm for me and although out in a spirited effort against Martinez he couldn't beat him when he practically only had one leg. The records show his best win is Nick Blackwell at British level. You can't possibly have him above Barker unless it's a popularity contest not a record based one.

I thought he beat Sturm, although it could have gone either way. He was denied a clear knockdown against Martinez and I had him up by 3 rounds, but he didn't get the decision. Barker is number 3 domestically for me, these are P4P rankings, so ability has to be taken into account and on that I'd have him below Murray and Macklin.

[hurlock]

Ain't Frampton Irish ?

[keithmoonhangover]

How is it a reasonable decision? Murray hasn't beaten a top name yet. Barker has and has the world title. Seriously who is Murray best win? He's not even top 10 for me let alone above Barker

Murray beat Sturm and Martinez on my scorecards.

If he actually had beaten Sturm and Martinez, he'd need to be first or second on your list.

[ajwesty13]

Ain't Frampton Irish ?

northern Irish mate so he can fight for UK or Ireland but he chose for the UK

ps think Quigg should be a lot higher at least in the top 10

[hurlock]

Ain't Frampton Irish ?

northern Irish mate so he can fight for UK or Ireland but he chose for the UK

ps think Quigg should be a lot higher at least in the top 10

I don't think he cares or is in to all the nonsense I
Believe.

[BLASTER100]

Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.

Can't argue with the top 10.

[brian13]

You can't use your own score cards to influence rankings. Murray did not beat Sturm and it was a close fight. I thought Sturm nicked it.

Barker holds a world title and deserves to be higher and above any fighter on the list who is not World champion and especially if they are in his own weight class.

[expe]

P4P rankings aren't like traditional rankings. It seems to be forgotten that P4P is a measure of ability, regardless of size, so results count for less than they normally do.

[stujones]

Not sure how Dereck Chisora is above Nathan Cleverly.

Chisora has lost everytime he has moved into European level - okay Horse you might have had him beating Heulenius (yonks ago now) but whilst Clev got done against the ever improving Kovalev - no one can deny he is geniune European class.

Think Cleverly at the bottom half of a P4P list is a bit much. The guy is a geniune European title level fighter, which is about the level of many in the top 10.