Butlin was a step in the right direction, he's clearly past fighting the Latvians they bring over for him. He needs to be fighting domestic journeymen now while steadily stepping up in class. He needs to get good sparring, I'd imagine he struggles with that in Inverness, so trips south of the border, to America and Europe should be looked at so he can get quality sparring.billy nelson wrote:Best judged when he fights someone with a pulse and will punch back regularly and hard!but yes good on him he seems to be going in the right direction.naturalmass wrote:Believe me, it's all falling into place. 25th occasion in a ring. One fight at a time and improvements made during every camp.
My concern is he's another TG hype job who will get flung in when there clearly not ready have another shot then chuck it
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JimJim2009
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Re: Gary Cornish
he's crap for a heavyweight, i know they're hoping that experience will bring him on but i can't see it. he looks like a jock tom dallas to me. next weekend, joshua turns pro and his debut opponent is better than anything cornish has fought. and joshua isn't a dead cert to make it as a pro.
all this padding out of cornish's record might not do him many favours in the long run. if he ends up at 25-0 or 30-0 and then gets knocked out a few times, he's going to become a bit of a joke.
all this padding out of cornish's record might not do him many favours in the long run. if he ends up at 25-0 or 30-0 and then gets knocked out a few times, he's going to become a bit of a joke.
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naturalmass
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Re: Gary Cornish
It's not 'a hope' it's 'a fact'. The progress is there for all to see. Plenty mouths commenting who have not witnessed the significant improvements with every outing.
And comparing him to Dallas is just complete ignorance. The build up to fight 17 starts on Monday. The Venue will be the copper box and it will be on allegedly on 30th November. I'm expecting more improvements following scheduled sparring with Del Boy.
I look forward to more constructive comments thereafter. ;;-)
And comparing him to Dallas is just complete ignorance. The build up to fight 17 starts on Monday. The Venue will be the copper box and it will be on allegedly on 30th November. I'm expecting more improvements following scheduled sparring with Del Boy.
I look forward to more constructive comments thereafter. ;;-)
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JimJim2009
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Re: Gary Cornish
I don't mean to be nasty about it, just giving my thoughts. If quality sparring rubbed off to the extent you seem to be hoping for, flops like Kevin McBride would have been world champs. Michael Sprott has had maybe more world class sparring than most other British heavyweights due to his time in Germany over the past decade, it hasn't really made much difference though, Sprott still is what he is, the only difference being he's naturally faded as he's aged. If a spell of sparring with Derek Chisora was magic formula they'd be queuing out of the door for it. I'm not saying sparring doesn't have an effect but if you're not good, I'm not sure what difference it will ultimately make.
I don't see what you're seeing in the gym though so fair enough, you're better placed than me to spot the improvements etc. I'm just a fan on a forum making a judgement based on the incredibly cautious match-making. Yes, I accept Cornish is inexperienced, but your match-making is so careful its not unreasonable to draw the conclusion that maybe he's just not very good. This does tend to happen with heavyweights especially.
There was a post earlier in this thread where somebody said something like Cornish's fight with Butler was "a step in the right direction". Come on, Butler is pushing 40 and doesn't win when he fights anybody decent. He's been stopped loads of times too. I can see Cornish being 50-0 by the time he's considered ready for someone like Sprott.
I don't see what you're seeing in the gym though so fair enough, you're better placed than me to spot the improvements etc. I'm just a fan on a forum making a judgement based on the incredibly cautious match-making. Yes, I accept Cornish is inexperienced, but your match-making is so careful its not unreasonable to draw the conclusion that maybe he's just not very good. This does tend to happen with heavyweights especially.
There was a post earlier in this thread where somebody said something like Cornish's fight with Butler was "a step in the right direction". Come on, Butler is pushing 40 and doesn't win when he fights anybody decent. He's been stopped loads of times too. I can see Cornish being 50-0 by the time he's considered ready for someone like Sprott.
Re: Gary Cornish
What is ignorant about comparing him to Dallas ?naturalmass wrote:It's not 'a hope' it's 'a fact'. The progress is there for all to see. Plenty mouths commenting who have not witnessed the significant improvements with every outing.
And comparing him to Dallas is just complete ignorance. The build up to fight 17 starts on Monday. The Venue will be the copper box and it will be on Allegedly Channel on 30th November. I'm expecting more improvements following scheduled sparring with Del Boy.
I look forward to more constructive comments thereafter. ;;-)
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naturalmass
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Re: Gary Cornish
Ignorance is a state of being uninformed. I understand the fight enthusiasts want for a real HW prospect. Cornish has had 25 fights in total. He has made excellent progress and continues to do so. Quality sparring will accelerate his learning. Of that there is no doubt.
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billy nelson
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Re: Gary Cornish
I totally agree and only appauled him for sparring better fighters than himself, its just a case of can he handle the sparring and learn.naturalmass wrote:Ignorance is a state of being uninformed. I understand the fight enthusiasts want for a real HW prospect. Cornish has had 25 fights in total. He has made excellent progress and continues to do so. Quality sparring will accelerate his learning. Of that there is no doubt.
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naturalmass
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Re: Gary Cornish
He can and has, with (to those who are in the know) typical studious application, seasoned adaptation and growing confidence in his abilities. In most, if not all instances, he has elected to sit in 2nd gear so as not to bring these valued sparring sessions to a premature end. And that includes moves he has had with notable British HW's. Yes it does happen. And there will be more. The acquired technical enhancements, ever increasing strength, speed and power have not been gifted to him by way of the blessings from a Pictish priest. Cornish earns his steady incremental improvements layer by layer, camp to camp, spar by spar, fight to fight. The learning curve continues its acute ascendancy and that is the exciting thing. There's more to learn and he's like a hungry animal feeding off the carcass of fight smarts. He's already had a good feed but his appetite remains ravenous. I won't have to announce when he's stripped the bones clean. It will be obvious. Peace.
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Re: Gary Cornish
Ultimately it's going to come down to how well he takes a shot.
Re: Gary Cornish
naturalmass wrote:He can and has, with (to those who are in the know) typical studious application, seasoned adaptation and growing confidence in his abilities. In most, if not all instances, he has elected to sit in 2nd gear so as not to bring these valued sparring sessions to a premature end. And that includes moves he has had with notable British HW's. Yes it does happen. And there will be more. The acquired technical enhancements, ever increasing strength, speed and power have not been gifted to him by way of the blessings from a Pictish priest. Cornish earns his steady incremental improvements layer by layer, camp to camp, spar by spar, fight to fight. The learning curve continues its acute ascendancy and that is the exciting thing. There's more to learn and he's like a hungry animal feeding off the carcass of fight smarts. He's already had a good feed but his appetite remains ravenous. I won't have to announce when he's stripped the bones clean. It will be obvious. Peace.
Your faith in Cornish is admirable but incredibly naive.The minute he steps up he will be destroyed he just doesn't have it.
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billy nelson
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Re: Gary Cornish
fornicate that's straight to the pointlondon wrote:naturalmass wrote:He can and has, with (to those who are in the know) typical studious application, seasoned adaptation and growing confidence in his abilities. In most, if not all instances, he has elected to sit in 2nd gear so as not to bring these valued sparring sessions to a premature end. And that includes moves he has had with notable British HW's. Yes it does happen. And there will be more. The acquired technical enhancements, ever increasing strength, speed and power have not been gifted to him by way of the blessings from a Pictish priest. Cornish earns his steady incremental improvements layer by layer, camp to camp, spar by spar, fight to fight. The learning curve continues its acute ascendancy and that is the exciting thing. There's more to learn and he's like a hungry animal feeding off the carcass of fight smarts. He's already had a good feed but his appetite remains ravenous. I won't have to announce when he's stripped the bones clean. It will be obvious. Peace.
Your faith in Cornish is admirable but incredibly naive.The minute he steps up he will be destroyed he just doesn't have it.
Re: Gary Cornish
Heard he was sparring Carl Spencer a few weeks back, anyone know how that went? Carl is a good fighter, very very raw.
Re: Gary Cornish
Meant to post this last week, here is a good Q and A that was sent out by allegdly in the run up to last sat fight ,which he won with a 3rd round tko
Name: Gary Cornish
Weight: Heavyweight
Born: Inverness
Age: 26
Family background: I’ve a younger sister and three older brothers. Two are a similar size to what I am – one’s a wee bit shorter. None of the other brothers boxed but I believe an uncle boxed in the army. I live in Inverness and I’ve got two sons, aged six and three.
Trade: I’ve been a joiner for ten years, since I left school.
Nickname: ‘Highlander’. Inverness is the capital of the Scottish Highlands.
What age did you become interested in boxing and why? My older brothers always picked on me so I had to become a scrapper by necessity. Things have changed around a bit now, mind!
That said, I was quite a late starter to boxing. As a youngster I was far more into my football and I played centre forward at quite a good level. I only started going to the boxing gym around the age of 18 or 19 to get fitter for the football but the coach there suggested I had a spar and I just loved it.
What do you recall of your amateur career? It was frustrating because, due to my size, I really struggled to get fights and I had hardly any sparring. In four years, I had just nine bouts. I won them all, five by stoppage.
I represented the Inverness City ABC and was coached by Laurie Redfern. I had my first contest at 19 or 20 and I went on to win the Scottish ABA super-heavyweight title. That was probably the highlight of my amateur career.
I also boxed for a Scottish Select side against an English Select side at a town hall in London. I stopped a boy called Daniel in about 40 seconds, my quickest kayo.
Why did you decide to turn pro when you did? I was really struggling to get amateur bouts and the next Commonwealth Games were still three years away. I went down to London to spar Dereck Chisora and I thought I did alright so that sort of helped make my mind up for me.
Tell us about your back up team: From day one as a pro, I’ve been managed and promoted by Tommy Gilmour and I’m trained by Paul Geddes. Apparently Paul was the first ever Scottish ABA super-heavyweight champion from Inverness. He gives me an awful lot of time and dedication. He looks after my boxing, strength and conditioning, nutrition and diet. The lot.
What’s your training schedule? Which parts do you most and least enjoy? I train at the Gym 300 in Inverness and I tend to be training all the time.
However, when we get a fight date, I set an eight week program and I’ll train six days a week. Because I continue to work as a joiner right up until my fights, I usually arrive at the gym at 6.30 in the morning. My program usually revolves around explosive movements. I do a lot of different weight and strength exercises. Paul mixes things up pretty well. I train very hard and do a lot of pad work. I do my running in the evening, after work.
My favourite part of training would be the sparring but unfortunately there’s really no one up in Scotland for me to spar. When I’ve the time, I’ll travel down to England I’ve done sessions with Dereck Chisora, David Price, Audley Harrison and Danny Hughes. However, for several of my fights I’ve not throw a single punch in the gym.
The worst thing about training would be the hill sprints. We’ve some killer hills here in Inverness!
Describe your style? What are your best qualities? I like to work off my jab and use my advantages, like all tall fighters. I think I’m fast on my feet for a big guy and I’ve also got quite fast hands compared to the others in my division.
What specifically do you need to work on to fully optimise your potential as a fighter? I need to acquire more experience, both in fights and through sparring. Inverness is 140 miles north of Glasgow so we’re pretty isolated. I usually have to go down to England or even overseas to get decent work. I’ve probably only had four or five proper spars in my life!
What have you found to be the biggest difference between the pro and amateur codes? The pace of the amateurs was more flat out. In the pros, you need to relax more because the fights are over longer periods. I learned that from sparring with Chisora.
Who is the best opponent that you’ve shared a ring with? It’s a toss up between Dereck (Chisora) and David Price. I’ve sparred with both. They’re both very good but for different reasons. Dereck has very good movement, cuts the ring off well and really makes you work. David has lots of power.
I wouldn’t like to be pushed on who I think would win were they to meet but it would be a very good fight.
All time favourite fighter: It’s between Lennox Lewis and the Klitschko brothers. All really put the training in, serve their time in the gym.
All time favourite fight: Lenox Lewis against Vitali Klitschko. Lennox was getting beat that night.
Which current match would you most like to see made? It’ll never happen but I’d love to see Wladimir fight Vitali (Klitschko). I think Wladimir would probably win. He’s a lot more cautious, gives nothing away. He’s very hard to land on.
What is your routine on fight day? I wake up when I wake up. I don’t set alarms. Then I may go out for a wee run because I like to train right up to the fight, keep active.
I usually have a porridge for breakfast and I’ll ensure that I keep hydrated right through the day. For lunch, I’ll have eggs and chicken. I might go for a walk in the afternoon.
I try not to think too much about the fight until I get to the changing rooms. I stay pretty calm. My coach always says that he gets more nervous than I do.
Entrance music: Usually it’s ‘Can’t Stop’ by the Red Hot Chilli Peppers, same as the Klitschkos.
What are your ambitions as a boxer? Just to keep this unbeaten record going for as long as I can and hopefully some titles might come my way. I’d love to be the first Scot to challenge for, and hopefully win, the British heavyweight title.
How do you relax? Simple stuff. I watch football or play pool and stuff with my mates at the pub. Even when I don’t have a fight arranged, I still like to train. It’s my life.
Football team: Celtic. I used to go quite a bit but seldom get the time now. From the English Premier League, I like Arsenal.
Read: I’m not an avid reader. The other week I bought my first book, Alex Fergusson’s autobiography, which is quite a good read.
Music: I like dance music.
Films/TV: I like lots of films. I always watch ‘Braveheart’ in the week leading up to my fights. On TV, I watch Friends, Big Bang Theory and the football but generally don’t have much time for tele.
Aspiration in life: To go as far as I possibly can in boxing. For my family to stay healthy and just to lead a good life.
Motto: Train hard. Fight easy.
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Spud
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Re: Gary Cornish
In my view he has the ability to do something on the domestic scene but I think that will probably be it.
Re: Gary Cornish
seems quite level headed , steady job and happy to learn his trade
not ideal not having much sparring and the obvious travelling issues but willing to go in with chisora and price is handy.
not ideal not having much sparring and the obvious travelling issues but willing to go in with chisora and price is handy.
Re: Gary Cornish
The lack of sparring says it all to me he needs to move south by the sound of it.
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David McAllister
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Re: Gary Cornish
Easier said than done when you have a misses and a couple of kids, not everybody can just up sticks and move somewhere else.rm1 wrote:The lack of sparring says it all to me he needs to move south by the sound of it.
Re: Gary Cornish
He seems to be coming on ok.. I'm not one for comparing but the lad he KO'd went points with Hughie Fury.. Hughie Fury is 100% the real. I think another 5-10 fights he will be ready for British Level. I think that is his ultimate goal by reading his bio.. Never been a Scottish Heavyweight British Champ.. He has a chance if he is brought along right. I for one hope he does it but he deffo needs to keep getting the experience.
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billy nelson
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Re: Gary Cornish
i totally agree with you but you need to learn in your fights as well, but the level of opponents is just shocking, can you jonestly say Saturdays opponent was any better than say his 6 th or 7th opponent?naturalmass wrote:Ignorance is a state of being uninformed. I understand the fight enthusiasts want for a real HW prospect. Cornish has had 25 fights in total. He has made excellent progress and continues to do so. Quality sparring will accelerate his learning. Of that there is no doubt.
Re: Gary Cornish
Billy not looking for an argument. I agree the level of opponent is very similar. I also got to admit after watching Gary a few times I thought he would be going nowhere. Can I ask though, do you not think that he has been showing good signs of improvement?? Also he is now getting these similar opponents out of there. This shows he has the power needed to get through the levels needed to be British Champion?? Would you not agree that Gary needs the experience instead of jumping up in level? Lack of amateur experience means he needs to stay at certain levels for longer?billy nelson wrote:i totally agree with you but you need to learn in your fights as well, but the level of opponents is just shocking, can you jonestly say Saturdays opponent was any better than say his 6 th or 7th opponent?naturalmass wrote:Ignorance is a state of being uninformed. I understand the fight enthusiasts want for a real HW prospect. Cornish has had 25 fights in total. He has made excellent progress and continues to do so. Quality sparring will accelerate his learning. Of that there is no doubt.
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billy nelson
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Re: Gary Cornish
Yes his power seems to be improving big time and should be as he gets older he'll get that bit stronger,although the proof will be in the pudding when he step in with someone who will jab with him and take his punches but thats all about learning, eh i wish him well but ive seen so many scottish fighters built up and flung in far to early at championship level and not really recoveringdaviddee wrote:Billy not looking for an argument. I agree the level of opponent is very similar. I also got to admit after watching Gary a few times I thought he would be going nowhere. Can I ask though, do you not think that he has been showing good signs of improvement?? Also he is now getting these similar opponents out of there. This shows he has the power needed to get through the levels needed to be British Champion?? Would you not agree that Gary needs the experience instead of jumping up in level? Lack of amateur experience means he needs to stay at certain levels for longer?billy nelson wrote:i totally agree with you but you need to learn in your fights as well, but the level of opponents is just shocking, can you jonestly say Saturdays opponent was any better than say his 6 th or 7th opponent?naturalmass wrote:Ignorance is a state of being uninformed. I understand the fight enthusiasts want for a real HW prospect. Cornish has had 25 fights in total. He has made excellent progress and continues to do so. Quality sparring will accelerate his learning. Of that there is no doubt.
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ThereByTheGrace
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Re: Gary Cornish
He seems a very raw prospect. I hope he makes the best of what he has. No rush with him at all let him develop and learn in the ring.
He's a Celtic fan so now i'm 100% behind him!!
Billy you should look to train him and see if you can help in any way via your contacts.
He's a Celtic fan so now i'm 100% behind him!!
Billy you should look to train him and see if you can help in any way via your contacts.
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billy nelson
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Re: Gary Cornish
A lad is 17-0 and coming on nice why leave his current coach needless, anyway I think Mr Gilmour would have something to say like "you will never fight again for me if that pudendum Nelson trains you" or along those linesThereByTheGrace wrote:He seems a very raw prospect. I hope he makes the best of what he has. No rush with him at all let him develop and learn in the ring.
He's a Celtic fan so now i'm 100% behind him!!
Billy you should look to train him and see if you can help in any way via your contacts.
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fightscorecollector
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Re: Gary Cornish
With Price giving up the British and Commonwealth Titles. Will Cornish get a shot at one of these titles??. Could be best to go after Commonwealth title at this stage as there are guys ahead of him in the queue.
Re: Gary Cornish
The Commonwealth title would mean fighting Browne which would be a big risk at this stage. The Scottish title's obviously out, so I'd like to see him pick up some more experience first. There aren't many domestic journeymen about at heavyweight, so maybe bring in someone like Shane McPhilbin before a fight with Darren Corbett or Declan Timlin for the Celtic title.fightscorecollector wrote:With Price giving up the British and Commonwealth Titles. Will Cornish get a shot at one of these titles??. Could be best to go after Commonwealth title at this stage as there are guys ahead of him in the queue.