Hatton back on the drink

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Ben Carey wrote:
fatcity69 wrote:Hauser raises some interesting points, appreciate why you and others find it convenient to look away. I don't buy Hatton's "addiction" to booze. He's consistently proven he can be dry for prolonged periods, both in and out of the ring. I don't have a vendetta against Hatton, he was a great fighter. However, I can't fathom why so many still choose to view him with rose tinted glasses.
Oh so now hes pretending to be addicted to booze! clever ploy that! I must say. Seriously Ben you haven't a clue what your talking about. Long periods of sobriety between longer periods of binge drinking is one of the classic symptoms and behaviour of alcoholism. Look at Gazza... but then I suppose he's pretending too!. Come to think of it theyre probably in it together!!! the plot thickens...[/quote]

I'm not up on alcoholism, I'll concede that. But I don't see why Hatton should be dissolved of all responsibilities because of that and his high profile career. If Hatton's a victim then so are his Mrs, Mum and Dad and his kids.[/quote]
Ben, trust me on this one, Fat is 100% correct on the booze situation. I've been there, am still there(but on a prolonged break...). I have disappeared for weeks before. Even abroad without my partner or kids knowing.
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Whener I have met Ricky he has been sound...
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mickey1975 wrote:
Ben Carey wrote:
fatcity69 wrote:Hauser raises some interesting points, appreciate why you and others find it convenient to look away. I don't buy Hatton's "addiction" to booze. He's consistently proven he can be dry for prolonged periods, both in and out of the ring. I don't have a vendetta against Hatton, he was a great fighter. However, I can't fathom why so many still choose to view him with rose tinted glasses.
Oh so now hes pretending to be addicted to booze! clever ploy that! I must say. Seriously Ben you haven't a clue what your talking about. Long periods of sobriety between longer periods of binge drinking is one of the classic symptoms and behaviour of alcoholism. Look at Gazza... but then I suppose he's pretending too!. Come to think of it theyre probably in it together!!! the plot thickens...
I'm not up on alcoholism, I'll concede that. But I don't see why Hatton should be dissolved of all responsibilities because of that and his high profile career. If Hatton's a victim then so are his Mrs, Mum and Dad and his kids.[/quote]
Ben, trust me on this one, Fat is 100% correct on the booze situation. I've been there, am still there(but on a prolonged break...). I have disappeared for weeks before. Even abroad without my partner or kids knowing.[/quote]

Sorry to hear that, Mickey. So how are you coping with it at the moment? Given the time of year ie the festive period does it make it harder to stay off it?
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No, not at all. Other people's drinking doesn't bother me. I'm just as dangerous on a Tuesday morning in January as on New Year's Eve. I'm surrounded by it anyway, driving a taxi. If you want to drink, you will, so you have to get your head round not doing it on your own. I've been doing this since my teens and know the score. Never thought Alcoholism is Gazza's primary illness, by the way.
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Ben Carey wrote:
fatcity69 wrote:There's an awful lot of spiteful rubbish written in here, some of you must be scribes for the sun no doubt!. We do have a wonderful way of kicking our hero's down and then jumping up and down on their heads. So Ricky isn't perfect! so Ricky isn't an angel! oh gosh what a let down the man is!!!!. Alcoholism is actually an illness, and has been recognised as such for quite some time! though you wouldn't think so to read some of the comments in here. And as for the poor people who Ricky forced to spend all their money so they could go and watch him fight in America! I've never heard anything so ridiculous in my life!. No doubt we'll be hearing how Froch drove thousands to bankruptcy next!!.
What an ignorant post. As a father Hatton has responsibilities - going AWOL for a weekend isn't acceptable, neither is letting down his partner after she stood by him when he previously played away. As for making his fans 'spend all their money', no, that wasn't implied, but based on Hauser's article their loyalty appears to have been exploited. I'm glad he's a hero to you though. Some role model. :roll:
As explained five posts into the thread, he didn't go AWOL.

Friday - Watches son have his first fight
Saturday afternoon - Takes family out to christmas markets
Saturday night - Watches Froch-Groves, probably has a few drinks afterwards like any man, kips at his mate's house, quite possibly to avoid waking his family up.
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one of the country's all time great's yet now hes retired its shocking to see so many against him yet you was licking his arse when he was at the top. is and allways be an all time great that was 2 weight world champ and will certainly be in the boxing hall of fame. name somebody that will take thousands to vegas
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thepocketrocket wrote:Whener I have met Ricky he has been sound...
Did you have to buy a ticket to meet him?
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mickey1975 wrote:No, not at all. Other people's drinking doesn't bother me. I'm just as dangerous on a Tuesday morning in January as on New Year's Eve. I'm surrounded by it anyway, driving a taxi. If you want to drink, you will, so you have to get your head round not doing it on your own. I've been doing this since my teens and know the score. Never thought Alcoholism is Gazza's primary illness, by the way.
Hope your managing it ok.

A lad who I used to see regularly, used to train at the gym with him, simply couldn't keep his legs out the pub and would sometimes come and train while reeking of ale. Nearly killed himself trying to bench a few plates and he went bright red and passed out with the bar crashing onto his collar bone.

He said "he had had a few straight after work with the lads" but i knew some of his workmates and he was lying, saying he would go to the local on his own to play the £100 bandit machine and would sometimes put £200 in to win the £100 jackpot.

Drinking was not his only vice, gambling apparently was much much worse. He would bet on a raindrop running down the window faster than the others if you wanted in.

Last I heard, was he was drinking a bottle of spirits a day, whilst blowing all his credit card money on the Sky Casino via his Sky box apparently. Had dozens of credit cards maxed out and was moving the money around - inbetween then he was rigging aerials.

Imagine being on a 2-storey town house on a slippery, icy roof after necking a bottle the night before ? it's not going to end well for him , despite everyone always rallying around him.
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That's a functioning alcoholic(as ironic as it sounds), when I go on it. I don't work, obviously, or see the family or anything.
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I'd recommend anyone who can't quit drinking (but wants to), to look into the subject of addictive personalities. It explains an awful lot. For me, the light came on when I learned more about it.

I drank like a fish from mid-teens to 31. I probably had less than 100 nights of being sober in that 16 year period of time. At 31 it was catching up with me to say the very least and as it was not long after George Best's demise had been all over the tabloids, I could see quite clearly where I was heading. I had tried and failed many times to cut down, and restrict the boozing to weekends. I just couldn't do it.

I worked out that I had an addictive personality and that it's an all or nothing sort of thing with people like this. I stopped, and stopped for good. That was 11 years ago and I've not had a drop since, nor have I wanted one. I go in pubs all the time, have booze in the house, etc etc, and its no problem.

To think I could have done that at the time of my drinking, was the equivalent of standing at the base of Everest and considering how hard it would be to climb to the top. The beauty of stopping drinking is that you only do it one day at a time. That's always important to bear in mind.

So, anyway, if anyone here is struggling, it might be worth looking into addictive personalities. For me I finally understood why I was doing it, and was then able to stop.
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What's more annoying is the inability of some people to quote properly.
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Srebmun wrote:What's more annoying is the inability of some people to quote properly.
That's just when I'm drunk
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This post is not directed at any one specific individual.

I remember when I was kid and kids who misbehaved were just naughty kids (these days they are diagnosed ADHD), those kids who weren't the brightest were put in the D class (these days they are diagnosed as dyslexic), the local piss head now has and illness, and the local druggie now has an addictive personality.

In other words - these days it is never anybodies fault - nobody is expected to take any responsibility for their own actions.

Whatever happens or whatever people do there is now some kind of diagnosis or excuse for their behaviour.

I know that the above are general sweeping statements and may not cover 100% of people, but I believe that is covers the vast majority.
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bripez wrote:This post is not directed at any one specific individual.

I remember when I was kid and kids who misbehaved were just naughty kids (these days they are diagnosed ADHD), those kids who weren't the brightest were put in the D class (these days they are diagnosed as dyslexic), the local piss head now has and illness, and the local druggie now has an addictive personality.

In other words - these days it is never anybodies fault - nobody is expected to take any responsibility for their own actions.

Whatever happens or whatever people do there is now some kind of diagnosis or excuse for their behaviour.

I know that the above are general sweeping statements and may not cover 100% of people, but I believe that is covers the vast majority.
I agree with what you're saying, but I would differentiate between a reason for something and avoiding blame for something. For example, its possible there is a reason why Peter Sutcliffe did what he did. Doesn't mean he should be understood, treated and forgiven, of course. Or, there is the more traditional view - perhaps equally valid - that he is "evil".

I drank like a fish between 15 and 31 and almost died from it. Totally my fault, but anyway nobody else got hurt and it didn't affect society or others. When I learned more about addictive personalities, I understood why I was doing it, and quit full stop.

I've just moved house from a particularly rough area, to a nice respectable one. The area we moved from has very high unemployment, very high truancy of the kids, mainly broken families, kids running riot from the moment they get home from school, until late at night, parents making daily trips to the off licence at the bottom of the street for their special brew or cheap cider, etc etc etc. That is not a generalisation, it is an accurate summary of where I lived for almost 18 months, until last month. The streets were covered in litter, the Council cleans it up every 2 days and within hours it is back to the same state. Broken glass and dog crxp in the nearby playgrounds, booze and takeaway remains left all over the place.

I now live in an area where most people work, the kids are behaved, there is 99% less litter and dog fouling, etc etc.

Now, you could make all sorts of explanations and excuses for the reasons why the former area is full of "troubled families", or you could just say most of them are scum. I think that would be the traditional approach, whilst the modern approach seeks to understand, appreciate, and if blame has to be laid, it is laid elsewhere, eg society is to blame, the government is to blame, etc etc. Not the individuals.

Anyway, let me finish on one last observation. As I removed stuff from my old garden on my final day at that property, a neighbour, Mick, came out of his back door at 11.20am. He stepped over several piles of dogshxt in his backyard (he has a bull terrier and I've never seen him walk it once), and went down to the corner shop for cans of cider. In his pyjamas. This was mid-morning, at half term, with his kids playing nearby. Mick doesn't work, neither does his partner, they have 3 kids and the police were round, on average, every 2 weeks for small scale ASB.

What do you make of a bloke like that ?!
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bripez wrote:This post is not directed at any one specific individual.

I remember when I was kid and kids who misbehaved were just naughty kids (these days they are diagnosed ADHD), those kids who weren't the brightest were put in the D class (these days they are diagnosed as dyslexic), the local piss head now has and illness, and the local druggie now has an addictive personality.

In other words - these days it is never anybodies fault - nobody is expected to take any responsibility for their own actions.

Whatever happens or whatever people do there is now some kind of diagnosis or excuse for their behaviour.

I know that the above are general sweeping statements and may not cover 100% of people, but I believe that is covers the vast majority.

I get what your saying with this adh this & that & all these excuses but then I suppose it gives people a way of atleast understanding & dealing with the major traits in certain behaviours.
They say most criminals are those with learning difficultys.
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bripez wrote:This post is not directed at any one specific individual.

I remember when I was kid and kids who misbehaved were just naughty kids (these days they are diagnosed ADHD), those kids who weren't the brightest were put in the D class (these days they are diagnosed as dyslexic), the local piss head now has and illness, and the local druggie now has an addictive personality.

In other words - these days it is never anybodies fault - nobody is expected to take any responsibility for their own actions.

Whatever happens or whatever people do there is now some kind of diagnosis or excuse for their behaviour.

I know that the above are general sweeping statements and may not cover 100% of people, but I believe that is covers the vast majority.
You've obviously never worked with kids or people with addictions. If you do, you should be sacked.

I used to work with kids with behavioural issues or kids that misbehaved in your language. Do you know what all of these kids had in common? Parents from deprived backgrounds. Quite often, the behaviour these kids exhibit is 'normal' to them, as it's what they see at home. They have never really known anything different.

ADHD is a completely different thing altogether and is a very serious condition. If you had a kid with ADHD, you'd know that it is far from an 'excuse' for bad behaviour.

Kids getting a D may have a deprived background or a low IQ, which is perfectly normal, we are not all geniuses. Again some kids will have dyslexia, which, apart from effecting their grades, can be shattering for a kids confidence. Admittedly, some of the kids that get lower grade are capable of much more, but are too lazy to do so.

Alcoholism and drug addiction can be caused by many factors and having an addictive personality is obviously one of them.

In fairness, it might help if you knew what the fvck you were talking about.
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JimJim2009 wrote:
bripez wrote:This post is not directed at any one specific individual.

I remember when I was kid and kids who misbehaved were just naughty kids (these days they are diagnosed ADHD), those kids who weren't the brightest were put in the D class (these days they are diagnosed as dyslexic), the local piss head now has and illness, and the local druggie now has an addictive personality.

In other words - these days it is never anybodies fault - nobody is expected to take any responsibility for their own actions.

Whatever happens or whatever people do there is now some kind of diagnosis or excuse for their behaviour.

I know that the above are general sweeping statements and may not cover 100% of people, but I believe that is covers the vast majority.
I agree with what you're saying, but I would differentiate between a reason for something and avoiding blame for something. For example, its possible there is a reason why Peter Sutcliffe did what he did. Doesn't mean he should be understood, treated and forgiven, of course. Or, there is the more traditional view - perhaps equally valid - that he is "evil".

I drank like a fish between 15 and 31 and almost died from it. Totally my fault, but anyway nobody else got hurt and it didn't affect society or others. When I learned more about addictive personalities, I understood why I was doing it, and quit full stop.

I've just moved house from a particularly rough area, to a nice respectable one. The area we moved from has very high unemployment, very high truancy of the kids, mainly broken families, kids running riot from the moment they get home from school, until late at night, parents making daily trips to the off licence at the bottom of the street for their special brew or cheap cider, etc etc etc. That is not a generalisation, it is an accurate summary of where I lived for almost 18 months, until last month. The streets were covered in litter, the Council cleans it up every 2 days and within hours it is back to the same state. Broken glass and dog crxp in the nearby playgrounds, booze and takeaway remains left all over the place.

I now live in an area where most people work, the kids are behaved, there is 99% less litter and dog fouling, etc etc.

Now, you could make all sorts of explanations and excuses for the reasons why the former area is full of "troubled families", or you could just say most of them are scum. I think that would be the traditional approach, whilst the modern approach seeks to understand, appreciate, and if blame has to be laid, it is laid elsewhere, eg society is to blame, the government is to blame, etc etc. Not the individuals.

Anyway, let me finish on one last observation. As I removed stuff from my old garden on my final day at that property, a neighbour, Mick, came out of his back door at 11.20am. He stepped over several piles of dogshxt in his backyard (he has a bull terrier and I've never seen him walk it once), and went down to the corner shop for cans of cider. In his pyjamas. This was mid-morning, at half term, with his kids playing nearby. Mick doesn't work, neither does his partner, they have 3 kids and the police were round, on average, every 2 weeks for small scale ASB.

What do you make of a bloke like that ?
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keithmoonhangover wrote:
bripez wrote:This post is not directed at any one specific individual.

I remember when I was kid and kids who misbehaved were just naughty kids (these days they are diagnosed ADHD), those kids who weren't the brightest were put in the D class (these days they are diagnosed as dyslexic), the local piss head now has and illness, and the local druggie now has an addictive personality.

In other words - these days it is never anybodies fault - nobody is expected to take any responsibility for their own actions.

Whatever happens or whatever people do there is now some kind of diagnosis or excuse for their behaviour.

I know that the above are general sweeping statements and may not cover 100% of people, but I believe that is covers the vast majority.
You've obviously never worked with kids or people with addictions. If you do, you should be sacked.

I used to work with kids with behavioural issues or kids that misbehaved in your language. Do you know what all of these kids had in common? Parents from deprived backgrounds. Quite often, the behaviour these kids exhibit is 'normal' to them, as it's what they see at home. They have never really known anything different.

ADHD is a completely different thing altogether and is a very serious condition. If you had a kid with ADHD, you'd know that it is far from an 'excuse' for bad behaviour.

Kids getting a D may have a deprived background or a low IQ, which is perfectly normal, we are not all geniuses. Again some kids will have dyslexia, which, apart from effecting their grades, can be shattering for a kids confidence. Admittedly, some of the kids that get lower grade are capable of much more, but are too lazy to do so.

Alcoholism and drug addiction can be caused by many factors and having an addictive personality is obviously one of them.

In fairness, it might help if you knew what the fvck you were talking about.
My comment was made based on my own personal experiences from the people I have met over the years.

I also included a caveat if you read the full post.

That is my opinion and I am certainly not going to get excited because somebody off the internet disagrees with me - particularly (given the subject matter) one who obviously thinks that it is clever/funny/cool or whatever to have a user name such as yours.
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bripez wrote:
keithmoonhangover wrote:
bripez wrote:This post is not directed at any one specific individual.

I remember when I was kid and kids who misbehaved were just naughty kids (these days they are diagnosed ADHD), those kids who weren't the brightest were put in the D class (these days they are diagnosed as dyslexic), the local piss head now has and illness, and the local druggie now has an addictive personality.

In other words - these days it is never anybodies fault - nobody is expected to take any responsibility for their own actions.

Whatever happens or whatever people do there is now some kind of diagnosis or excuse for their behaviour.

I know that the above are general sweeping statements and may not cover 100% of people, but I believe that is covers the vast majority.
You've obviously never worked with kids or people with addictions. If you do, you should be sacked.

I used to work with kids with behavioural issues or kids that misbehaved in your language. Do you know what all of these kids had in common? Parents from deprived backgrounds. Quite often, the behaviour these kids exhibit is 'normal' to them, as it's what they see at home. They have never really known anything different.

ADHD is a completely different thing altogether and is a very serious condition. If you had a kid with ADHD, you'd know that it is far from an 'excuse' for bad behaviour.

Kids getting a D may have a deprived background or a low IQ, which is perfectly normal, we are not all geniuses. Again some kids will have dyslexia, which, apart from effecting their grades, can be shattering for a kids confidence. Admittedly, some of the kids that get lower grade are capable of much more, but are too lazy to do so.

Alcoholism and drug addiction can be caused by many factors and having an addictive personality is obviously one of them.

In fairness, it might help if you knew what the fvck you were talking about.
My comment was made based on my own personal experiences from the people I have met over the years.

I also included a caveat if you read the full post.

That is my opinion and I am certainly not going to get excited because somebody off the internet disagrees with me - particularly (given the subject matter) one who obviously thinks that it is clever/funny/cool or whatever to have a user name such as yours.
I'm not asking you to get excited and I've read your caveat.

I don't think my username is clever/funny/cool, so your assumption is 100% incorrect.

You're opinion on the above topics is elementary at best and if your knowledge of those subjects is in line with your opinion, then perhaps you need to educate yourself on the subjects.
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bripez wrote:This post is not directed at any one specific individual.

I remember when I was kid and kids who misbehaved were just naughty kids (these days they are diagnosed ADHD), those kids who weren't the brightest were put in the D class (these days they are diagnosed as dyslexic), the local piss head now has and illness, and the local druggie now has an addictive personality.

In other words - these days it is never anybodies fault - nobody is expected to take any responsibility for their own actions.

Whatever happens or whatever people do there is now some kind of diagnosis or excuse for their behaviour.

I know that the above are general sweeping statements and may not cover 100% of people, but I believe that is covers the vast majority.
100% agree
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Behaviour, motives and purposes are complex and there are environmental and genetic influences that can make some behaviours more likely than others.

It is not 'an excuse' to look for reasons or factors in why someone chooses a form of unhealthy or dangerous behaviour (boxing could be described as an unhealthy and dangerous sport); some people are drawn to it and if asked why, many would struggle to answer with coherence. Many people struggle to find a tangible answer as to why they do something; drink to excess, take drugs, start taking heavy drugs - there are a myriad reasons, as many reasons as people and it is not always someone trying to worm their way out of taking responsibility. Some people are deeply uspet and ashamed that they are so self destructive and dislike themselves for the trouble and hurt they have caused others.

Lots of our decision making is semi or unconscious; how those decision making processes are formed without our knowing them or understanding them is interesting; it doesn't mean that someone's behaviour is excused - just that we can appreciate that a person is a complex mix of psychological, social and biological motives - sometimes acting in accordance and sometimes in conflict with one another.

If a person is labelled as 'just this' or 'just that' it narrows our view of them and makes us more 'stupid' than we could be. People tend to like certainties and black and white rules and explanations as the world (and others) are just too confusing and confounding otherwise, once we start to dig a little though - nothing is straightforward.
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palooka wrote:Behaviour, motives and purposes are complex and there are environmental and genetic influences that can make some behaviours more likely than others.

It is not 'an excuse' to look for reasons or factors in why someone chooses a form of unhealthy or dangerous behaviour (boxing could be described as an unhealthy and dangerous sport); some people are drawn to it and if asked why, many would struggle to answer with coherence. Many people struggle to find a tangible answer as to why they do something; drink to excess, take drugs, start taking heavy drugs - there are a myriad reasons, as many reasons as people and it is not always someone trying to worm their way out of taking responsibility. Some people are deeply uspet and ashamed that they are so self destructive and dislike themselves for the trouble and hurt they have caused others.

Lots of our decision making is semi or unconscious; how those decision making processes are formed without our knowing them or understanding them is interesting; it doesn't mean that someone's behaviour is excused - just that we can appreciate that a person is a complex mix of psychological, social and biological motives - sometimes acting in accordance and sometimes in conflict with one another.

If a person is labelled as 'just this' or 'just that' it narrows our view of them and makes us more 'stupid' than we could be. People tend to like certainties and black and white rules and explanations as the world (and others) are just too confusing and confounding otherwise, once we start to dig a little though - nothing is straightforward.
Well said that man.
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Anyway, let me finish on one last observation. As I removed stuff from my old garden on my final day at that property, a neighbour, Mick, came out of his back door at 11.20am. He stepped over several piles of dogshxt in his backyard (he has a bull terrier and I've never seen him walk it once), and went down to the corner shop for cans of cider. In his pyjamas. This was mid-morning, at half term, with his kids playing nearby. Mick doesn't work, neither does his partner, they have 3 kids and the police were round, on average, every 2 weeks for small scale ASB.

What do you make of a bloke like that ?
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:TU: :TU: :TU: (was I right about the cider though ?!)
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I used to work with kids with behavioural issues or kids that misbehaved in your language. Do you know what all of these kids had in common? Parents from deprived backgrounds. Quite often, the behaviour these kids exhibit is 'normal' to them, as it's what they see at home. They have never really known anything different.

Nail, hammer, head. Kids are growing up and learn from their immediate environment - their street, their neighbours, etc. They (I am talking from experience here) think it is fine and normal to play for hours on end in the street with somebody else's household wheelibin (with dirty crap at the bottom) - they aren't doing it for a wind up, they just think its normal. Get inside it, 2 or 3 at a time, upside down, etc, pulling it up and down the street (with passing cars swerving out of the way), and so on - their clothes are filthy when they're done. Other parents may not think that is appropriate for kids to do that, but where I lived, they didn't bat an eyelid. I often wondered why the best toy they seemed to have was a neighbour's wheelibin.

There was one family, who in the summer all the children would sit out on the park area close to their home. They ranged from 3 to about early teens. The older brother, around 19 or 20, would sit with them, getting steadily pissed from around 10am, throwing the empty bottles into the nearby bushes and getting to his feet to urinate right there in broad daylight. And this was just perfectly normal to all these kids. 2-3 times a week on average I would see their mum staggering around the road blind drunk, she was a dead ringer for 8 Aces' wife from Viz actually. No dad on the scene, and the household was out of control - it was more like a youth hostel than a home. Police round several times a week, the eldest daughter getting drunk and getting into fights every other week.

The younger siblings are growing up and seeing this as normal life. It is a truly tragic vicious circle. Their prospects in life are handicapped due to the household they are growing up in. I'm not for one minute tarring all deprived households with the same brush, I was basically in a notorious part of the city and it would not be too wide of the mark to say most of the families are basically screwed for life.

A guy down the street, around 60, would take his grandkid to the park area whilst swigging lambrini, and letting his alsation crap inside the park area, by the swings, slides etc. He comes away, leaving the empty glass lambrini bottle on the floor where the kids play, and the dog crap remains where it landed. This guy lives with his daughter, who openly beats up her kids in the street in broad daylight (usually when drunk). Those poor children living in the same home have got very limited prospects in life and they're only 5 or 6 years old.

It is so sad. I have moved to a nice area and the difference is unbelievable. When I say nice, I mean normal really, we're still in the honeymoon period where normal things have an enhanced effect on us, like consideration from neighbours, politeness, etc.

So anyway, yes, crap parents have a lot to answer for :TU:
Lenny Cravats
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Re: Hatton back on the drink

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Srebmun wrote:What's more annoying is the inability of some people to quote properly.
Those people need their faces kicking off.
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