I dont care , i just dont want you involving me in your arguments ...daviddee wrote:You some kind of freak?? Was giving a compliment that you guys try to promote the right way and times are hard!! I will say what I want when I want so go get your big knickers out of a twistAlba wrote:go and keep me and my name out of your argumentsdaviddee wrote: A good example is Prospects and Paul Graham they really try to promote there shows and Gary Reilly (Alba) really pushes promotions and I'm sure they would admit that they struggle.
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You some kind of freak?? Was giving a compliment that you guys try to promote the right way and times are hard!! I will say what I want when I want so go get your big knickers out of a twist[/quote]
I dont care , i just dont want you involving me in your arguments ...
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Your not involved I'm stating fact. You do promotions for prospect? You use more modern approaches like social media? Fact is if you want to be involved you are going to get mentioned.. What you more annoyed at the fact your name was mentioned or I said you guys are finding it hard. 1 if your posting on a forum shouldn't mind people knowing your name 2. It's not a bad thing to admit that it's hard to promote. I was at the last show!!
I dont care , i just dont want you involving me in your arguments ...
Your not involved I'm stating fact. You do promotions for prospect? You use more modern approaches like social media? Fact is if you want to be involved you are going to get mentioned.. What you more annoyed at the fact your name was mentioned or I said you guys are finding it hard. 1 if your posting on a forum shouldn't mind people knowing your name 2. It's not a bad thing to admit that it's hard to promote. I was at the last show!!
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Does anyone know how Callum Johnson is getting on? I remember him winning gold at the Commonwealth games, but a quick look at Boxrec tells me he's only had 6 fights in 3 years, and has only fought once this year?
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David McAllister
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It's a real shame too, he is a talented box-fighter with a good punch. His career has been hampered by management and promotional issues. I'm sure he wasn't happy with the amount of fights he had and saying he wished he had stayed amateur!!chris123 wrote:Does anyone know how Callum Johnson is getting on? I remember him winning gold at the Commonwealth games, but a quick look at Boxrec tells me he's only had 6 fights in 3 years, and has only fought once this year?
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You have to understand, I think, that if you promote a show there is a real danger of losing a LOT of money if you're not certain about the number of tickets sold by boxers you are connected with. Lets say you hire a hall with seats and they charge £1,000 for the night. Then you have a dozen stewards at perhaps £10 an hour for 5 hours = £600. Referee , timekeeper, doctor and anaesthetist = £1,000.Then perhaps you have 5 bouts all 6 x 3 s = £10,000. We are now at around £13,000. If tickets are £30 on average , you need about 440 punters just to break even.There might be sponsorship money but I've also missed the cost of ring hire and other incidentals.
I might be well out with my figures but hopefully not too far away. So you organise the show and you don't sell tickets in advance. On the night it turns out its lashing with rain/there is a rail strike/Man U v Arsenal cup replay or Rangers v Celtic cup replay/ and 100 people turn up ! You've just lost £10,000.
Lot to think about isn't there.
I might be well out with my figures but hopefully not too far away. So you organise the show and you don't sell tickets in advance. On the night it turns out its lashing with rain/there is a rail strike/Man U v Arsenal cup replay or Rangers v Celtic cup replay/ and 100 people turn up ! You've just lost £10,000.
Lot to think about isn't there.
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Exactly the costs to run a show all add up and unless you have good level of sponsorship and a good day on the doors you could run into a big loss. The promotors do there best and i dont think there out of touch as some say- Morrison's interview got people talking about last sat on here and FB , Gilmour was advertising his last public card at Springburn on the big screen and so on.But both, along with PG are essential to Grass Roots up here . However one thing folk on this thread seem to be over looking is the problems with grass root level in scotland, is the same elsewhere in the UKdalcumly wrote:You have to understand, I think, that if you promote a show there is a real danger of losing a LOT of money if you're not certain about the number of tickets sold by boxers you are connected with. Lets say you hire a hall with seats and they charge £1,000 for the night. Then you have a dozen stewards at perhaps £10 an hour for 5 hours = £600. Referee , timekeeper, doctor and anaesthetist = £1,000.Then perhaps you have 5 bouts all 6 x 3 s = £10,000. We are now at around £13,000. If tickets are £30 on average , you need about 440 punters just to break even.There might be sponsorship money but I've also missed the cost of ring hire and other incidentals.
I might be well out with my figures but hopefully not too far away. So you organise the show and you don't sell tickets in advance. On the night it turns out its lashing with rain/there is a rail strike/Man U v Arsenal cup replay or Rangers v Celtic cup replay/ and 100 people turn up ! You've just lost £10,000.
Lot to think about isn't there.
If your looking to target people to come to your show , Forums aint the place to come to and i would estimate only generate a small percentage of the tickets (maybe single figures), forums are full of the hardcore fans (who usually are your most important and loyal fans) some ex /current boxers and folk who think they know best and love to moan about every aspect the game ,and haters . Boxing fans can be the most unforgiving out there aswell, and that is from my own experience of using boxign forums for a while and sitting in the stands in shows all over the world i have attended.
I beleive The real movement to get folk to your show is Local Newspapers/ and online media esp social media as this gives you a direct line to the punters and making someone feel involved can sometimes make the difference i believe, and lastly boxing media. When i do what i do, i dont even bother with the big boys in the red tops cause i find there usually not interested unless its a televised fight or a fighter has had a brush with the law. But the online boxing media are the ones who i always find take an interest and if your a small promotor it can make a difference
some people will hate on this, i get that .i expect it on a Scottish boxing thread but this is just an observations of how i see things.
Plus there is a good card being put on in Jan in Paisley, by saltire promotions featuring 2 scottish title fights on the same night
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The secret to get more fans for boxing is schools.. Give free tickets to 13-16 year old they are the next generation of fans.. Give out free tickets if a show is selling 300 for example having 100 school kids 1- helps full the place 2- some of there parents and there friends may also buy. This in turn increases revenue... These Schoolkids then will become fans spread the word and shows start selling better.
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Not too sure about that,you now have 100 hyper school children in a hall in all who do you suggest monitors them?Promoters will also need to fork out in the children liabilty insurance,never mind the £3,500/£4000 in ticket revenue which you just gave away,plus im pretty sure the other punters want to be at a boxing night,rather than a Panto
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Very good point david, issue certain promoters are tighter than two layers of paint and just plainly see it as lot revenuedaviddee wrote:The secret to get more fans for boxing is schools.. Give free tickets to 13-16 year old they are the next generation of fans.. Give out free tickets if a show is selling 300 for example having 100 school kids 1- helps full the place 2- some of there parents and there friends may also buy. This in turn increases revenue... These Schoolkids then will become fans spread the word and shows start selling better.
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if you want to make a small fortune out of promoting its simple start with a big fortune lol
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They won't need children liability insurance.. 13-16 is the age range hardly hyper children.. It's not lost. Revenue if the tickets Aren't going to sell anyway?? If anything it's increased revenue as I'm sure some of the teenagers parents would go as well. End of the day in promotions you have to have a Brand that is worth it.. I've been to a lot of small hall shows and 9/10 times it was a rubbish show. The last show I was at in Aberdeen, I thought it was going to be similar especially when there was a delay in getting in. But when in it was really good the MC I think was Craig Stephen seen him a few times.. Had some charity stuff happening which included heads and tails which was quite fun... Had Lee McAlister doing a small speach. He's a character and a half. It filled in the time before the fights started. The fights were then good which helps. They sold out the venue and there was a buzz about the place. No big name fight. No proper title on the line but the beach ballroom was sold out.. I can also guarantee it will be sold out next time because everyone had an enjoyable night...DanielGraham73 wrote:Not too sure about that,you now have 100 hyper school children in a hall in all who do you suggest monitors them?Promoters will also need to fork out in the children liabilty insurance,never mind the £3,500/£4000 in ticket revenue which you just gave away,plus im pretty sure the other punters want to be at a boxing night,rather than a Panto
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slapbangwhallop
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A. Bang on the money.Alba wrote:Exactly the costs to run a show all add up and unless you have good level of sponsorship and a good day on the doors you could run into a big loss. The promotors do there best and i dont think there out of touch as some say- Morrison's interview got people talking about last sat on here and FB , Gilmour was advertising his last public card at Springburn on the big screen and so on.But both, along with PG are essential to Grass Roots up here . However one thing folk on this thread seem to be over looking is the problems with grass root level in scotland, is the same elsewhere in the UK
If your looking to target people to come to your show , Forums aint the place to come to and i would estimate only generate a small percentage of the tickets (maybe single figures), forums are full of the hardcore fans (who usually are your most important and loyal fans) some ex /current boxers and folk who think they know best and love to moan about every aspect the game ,and haters . Boxing fans can be the most unforgiving out there aswell, and that is from my own experience of using boxign forums for a while and sitting in the stands in shows all over the world i have attended.
I beleive The real movement to get folk to your show is Local Newspapers/ and online media esp social media as this gives you a direct line to the punters and making someone feel involved can sometimes make the difference i believe, and lastly boxing media. When i do what i do, i dont even bother with the big boys in the red tops cause i find there usually not interested unless its a televised fight or a fighter has had a brush with the law. But the online boxing media are the ones who i always find take an interest and if your a small promotor it can make a difference
some people will hate on this, i get that .i expect it on a Scottish boxing thread but this is just an observations of how i see things.
Plus there is a good card being put on in Jan in Paisley, by saltire promotions featuring 2 scottish title fights on the same night
B. Bang on the money.
C. Bang on the money.
D. Bang on the money.
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You also need to BUILD a fan base. Regular shows at the same public venue with close bouts so that the punters know when and where the next show is.It would start off as loss making but you could turn it around. In Dundee for instance. If you could half the Caird Hall main arena and put monthly shows on on a Thursday night for instance you could build up a following. Dundee used to be an amateur hotbed and they had Bobby Bolland who was a good pro.
Take the boxing back to the public and ask fights to reduce their monetary expectations. Base their purse on a percentage of the takings.
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Take the boxing back to the public and ask fights to reduce their monetary expectations. Base their purse on a percentage of the takings.
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