Brandon Rios - failed drugs test

[tobyh5]

To further add, I am so anti-gear that I compete at British Championship level with the only lifetime natural organisation in the UK. You can never have used steroids and performance enhancers and use of DMAA gets you suspended, thats all. Think about it - we cannot have ever used anything that takes away our natural status and we sit polygraphs to check, and this does not see us ineligible.

[palooka]

To further add, I am so anti-gear that I compete at British Championship level with the only lifetime natural organisation in the UK. You can never have used steroids and performance enhancers and use of DMAA gets you suspended, thats all. Think about it - we cannot have ever used anything that takes away our natural status and we sit polygraphs to check, and this does not see us ineligible.

That's good for the sport and I'm sure I read somewhere that polygraphs are not 100% reliable - it'd be a real shame if a clean athlete were banned for giving a false positive on a polygraph.

[tobyh5]

I had the same thought and asked Jon, the feds Drug Control Officer about it and he answered that the tests were something like 98.6% accurate. I pointed out that would mean one person could fail in every 100 tested as that is logic surely. I cannot recall his exact answer to be honest but it did make me more confident within it. Apologies that I cannot recall the exact way it works. We also sit urine tests.

It is not a perfect system but as a sport, bodybuilding is unique that we have alternatives. You can use PED, you can dose up to the eyeballs and still compete. You can inject whatever the hell you want and it is fine as most feds do not test and through this openness and acceptance of it we then can have a "Natural" alternative.

Bodybuilding is rife with it, so we have the natural off shoot.

Cycling for example and most Olympic sports are also rife with it but sadly they pretend it is not happening and so cannot have a natural alternative. To have a Natural Tour De France would be to admit the actual tour is still a drug fest and they will not allow that.

[lefty]

I had the same thought and asked Jon, the feds Drug Control Officer about it and he answered that the tests were something like 98.6% accurate. I pointed out that would mean one person could fail in every 100 tested as that is logic surely. I cannot recall his exact answer to be honest but it did make me more confident within it. Apologies that I cannot recall the exact way it works. We also sit urine tests.

It is not a perfect system but as a sport, bodybuilding is unique that we have alternatives. You can use PED, you can dose up to the eyeballs and still compete. You can inject whatever the hell you want and it is fine as most feds do not test and through this openness and acceptance of it we then can have a "Natural" alternative.

Bodybuilding is rife with it, so we have the natural off shoot.

Cycling for example and most Olympic sports are also rife with it but sadly they pretend it is not happening and so cannot have a natural alternative. To have a Natural Tour De France would be to admit the actual tour is still a drug fest and they will not allow that.

I've never heard of that. Who are they? Ps not doubting it by the way just curious.

[polecateddy]

I had the same thought and asked Jon, the feds Drug Control Officer about it and he answered that the tests were something like 98.6% accurate. I pointed out that would mean one person could fail in every 100 tested as that is logic surely. I cannot recall his exact answer to be honest but it did make me more confident within it. Apologies that I cannot recall the exact way it works. We also sit urine tests.

It is not a perfect system but as a sport, bodybuilding is unique that we have alternatives. You can use PED, you can dose up to the eyeballs and still compete. You can inject whatever the hell you want and it is fine as most feds do not test and through this openness and acceptance of it we then can have a "Natural" alternative.

Bodybuilding is rife with it, so we have the natural off shoot.

Cycling for example and most Olympic sports are also rife with it but sadly they pretend it is not happening and so cannot have a natural alternative. To have a Natural Tour De France would be to admit the actual tour is still a drug fest and they will not allow that.

You're outdated. The Tour de France is basically clean now with the new biological passports. The Armstrong era is pretty much over. Average speeds are down. Chris Froome was a clean winner.

[palooka]

I had the same thought and asked Jon, the feds Drug Control Officer about it and he answered that the tests were something like 98.6% accurate. I pointed out that would mean one person could fail in every 100 tested as that is logic surely. I cannot recall his exact answer to be honest but it did make me more confident within it. Apologies that I cannot recall the exact way it works. We also sit urine tests.

It is not a perfect system but as a sport, bodybuilding is unique that we have alternatives. You can use PED, you can dose up to the eyeballs and still compete. You can inject whatever the hell you want and it is fine as most feds do not test and through this openness and acceptance of it we then can have a "Natural" alternative.

Bodybuilding is rife with it, so we have the natural off shoot.

Cycling for example and most Olympic sports are also rife with it but sadly they pretend it is not happening and so cannot have a natural alternative. To have a Natural Tour De France would be to admit the actual tour is still a drug fest and they will not allow that.

You're outdated. The Tour de France is basically clean now with the new biological passports. The Armstrong era is pretty much over. Average speeds are down. Chris Froome was a clean winner.

As was Wiggins

[tobyh5]

I've never heard of that. Who are they? Ps not doubting it by the way just curious.

Do you mean the drug control officer? Or the fed?

The FED is the NPA - Natural Physique Association. We also have the BNBF and the UKDFBA which are different in that you need to be a certain number of years drug free rather than lifetime natural like the NPA.

The officer is the chap who is in charge of the tests and organisation of working to ensure we are drug free, upholding the integrity of the fed and trying to catch anyone who does cheat as some do, even though they have alternatives.

As for the comments on the Tour De France, sure sure, all clean

[lefty]

I've never heard of that. Who are they? Ps not doubting it by the way just curious.

Do you mean the drug control officer? Or the fed?

The FED is the NPA - Natural Physique Association. We also have the BNBF and the UKDFBA which are different in that you need to be a certain number of years drug free rather than lifetime natural like the NPA.

The officer is the chap who is in charge of the tests and organisation of working to ensure we are drug free, upholding the integrity of the fed and trying to catch anyone who does cheat as some do, even though they have alternatives.

As for the comments on the Tour De France, sure sure, all clean

The fed. Thanks for the info

[tobyh5]

The point I am making is that DMAA, which Rios has been found to have used is not a steroid and not even that naughty at all. I have not used it so cannot speak of how it does feel to take it however I am great friends with fellow bodybuilders and I asked one about it this morning just to clarify before posting and he assured me, having used it a couple times before it was banned that it does next to nothing and he gets just as big a boost going into training off the espresso.

And all the articles I have read on it suggest that to be the case, that it does little for you at all. Heck there are tons of still legal pre-workout supps that you can take that do not have it and they give you just as much boost, even coffee as I have already said.

[lefty]

The point I am making is that DMAA, which Rios has been found to have used is not a steroid and not even that naughty at all. I have not used it so cannot speak of how it does feel to take it however I am great friends with fellow bodybuilders and I asked one about it this morning just to clarify before posting and he assured me, having used it a couple times before it was banned that it does next to nothing and he gets just as big a boost going into training off the espresso.

And all the articles I have read on it suggest that to be the case, that it does little for you at all. Heck there are tons of still legal pre-workout supps that you can take that do not have it and they give you just as much boost, even coffee as I have already said.

Yeah but there's different kind of performance enhancers to be fair. Some help you put on lean mass, some make you more alert, some help you cut weight *diuretics* and so on.

[tobyh5]

Quite right sir and in this instance, it is close to nothing at all.

[Einherjar]

Quite right sir and in this instance, it is close to nothing at all.

I agree with your posts, but DMAA must do something because it was killing people before it was banned.

[lefty]

Victor Conte who knows far more about this stuff than I do *because he was supplying it in the past* says that DMAA is a performance enhancer. It helps your reaction time and so on apparantly.

[bigped]

the book stops with the fighter, everything you put in your mouth you need to know its 100% legal to take, its a easy procedure, you ring up the people who are testing you and tell them what your taking and they will either ok it or not, I had a new dietician before I boxed derry to get down to 9st9, he told me everything I was taking was fine but I checked myself just to be certain, its a 5 minute job, I understand mistakes can be made, but ariza has a stigma attached to his name, cheating in a combat sport like boxing is lower than low, your not running faster or jumping higher, your punching somebody in the head faster and harder, boxing is miles behind when it comes to drug testing, ive been a pro 7 years and boxed for the wbo intercontinental title never got tested, british title eliminator never got tested, 2 English title fights never got tested and 25 other fights and never got tested, only been tested once in 7 years and that was after the commonwealth title fight, as a footballer I was tested on average 5 times a year, in training or after matches, I understand its expensive to do it on a regular basis but id like to think the boxing authorities who I respect a great deal wouldn't put a price on me being protected from cheats

It's stunning reading how little you've been tested.

The BBBofC should fine users big sums and use the dosh to pay for testing.

Do you think Mr Anderson paid back the £15k purse from his title fight win????????????

you only pay it back if you want to come back and box again, so larry who just came back was ment to pay back all his previous purses.

[tobyh5]

Quite right sir and in this instance, it is close to nothing at all.

I agree with your posts, but DMAA must do something because it was killing people before it was banned.

I am not sure if it was really killing people, think that was a knee jerk reaction. There was mixed scientific evidence on this.

Victor Conte who knows far more about this stuff than I do *because he was supplying it in the past* says that DMAA is a performance enhancer. It helps your reaction time and so on apparantly.

I disagree with Conte having spoken to people who have taken it. He may know far more than you sir but considerably less than the people I am in contact with.