Also my first concern for Hearns when I saw that matchup. Props to you for taking it into equation when analyzing the possible outcome of the fight.BoxBuzz wrote:Hearns will be safe from Eubank, as long as Chris doesn't call upon his 90 degree uppercuttish punch of death.
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Ambling Alp II
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Vargas was a very good offensive fighter (when at his best) and Wright didn't really get hit that much. He was starting to get old by the time he fought Taylor. If you are going to count that fight, then you have to count Hearns' struggles with James Kinchen and Doug DeWitt. Hearns certainly didn't shut them out and they weren't nearly as good as even older Wright.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Him being shut out is far and away the most likely scenario. Jermain Taylor forged through that defense, so did Fernando Vargas. I think his D would be enough for him to survive, but he would accomplish nothing offensively.Ambling Alp II wrote:He had a really good defense which would limit Hearns ability to score. Wright could land enough combinations to be competitive. He certainly isn't going to get shutout.
You can pick one or two fights out of almost anyone's career and make them look great or terrible. You have to look at all of the relevant fights both guys and them logically try to redict what would most likley happen.
Wright lacked the power to hurt Hearns. However, he was a good enough boxer to not get hit a lot, so he he wouldn't have to score a whole lot to win rounds. He threw enough punches and was accurrate enough to that sometimes. For the most part, it would be a tactical fight, with several close rounds.
If Hearns was at his best, and Wright is at his, Wright probably wins about 3 or 4 rounds out of 12; maybe 4-5 out of 15. Not enough to win, but he wouldn't be embarrassed. Post-Hagler, a Wright win is very possible.
It is extremely difficult to actually shut out a really good boxer over 10-15 rounds. They could fight 10 times and it probably wouldn't happen.
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SaadOffTheDeck
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Hearns struggled with Doug DeWitt? That's news. Sure Winky could win a round or two, anymore than that is a pipe dream and he isn't beating any version of Hearns, ever. His defense was solid, nothing Tommy couldn't penetrate. I just picked out two of his better opponents that he didn't have a big size edge on. Sam Soliman landed frequently on Winky as well.
His defensive prowess would probably just keep Hearns working his jab and throwing occasional right hands. Tommy was never out-boxed in his career. Well after Hagler he thoroughly out-boxed Virgil Hill. Of all of these guys, Winky is easily the least competitive. He doesn't have the power to hurt Hearns, and id you can't do that you have no chance to beat him.
His defensive prowess would probably just keep Hearns working his jab and throwing occasional right hands. Tommy was never out-boxed in his career. Well after Hagler he thoroughly out-boxed Virgil Hill. Of all of these guys, Winky is easily the least competitive. He doesn't have the power to hurt Hearns, and id you can't do that you have no chance to beat him.
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SaadOffTheDeck
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Re: Thomas Hearns Versus
Winky would be a tougher fight for Leonard, Duran and Benitez. He'd have a chance there.
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Vladimir5555
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For me he could beat Duran and Benitez.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Winky would be a tougher fight for Leonard, Duran and Benitez. He'd have a chance there.
SRR beat Wright by decision,close but clear
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I wouldn't pick him over any of them, but he'd fair much better than he would against Tommy.Vladimir5555 wrote:For me he could beat Duran and Benitez.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Winky would be a tougher fight for Leonard, Duran and Benitez. He'd have a chance there.
SRR beat Wright by decision,close but clear
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Ambling Alp II
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Hearns struggled with Doug DeWitt? That's news. Sure Winky could win a round or two, anymore than that is a pipe dream and he isn't beating any version of Hearns, ever. His defense was solid, nothing Tommy couldn't penetrate. I just picked out two of his better opponents that he didn't have a big size edge on. Sam Soliman landed frequently on Winky as well.
His defensive prowess would probably just keep Hearns working his jab and throwing occasional right hands. Tommy was never out-boxed in his career. Well after Hagler he thoroughly out-boxed Virgil Hill. Of all of these guys, Winky is easily the least competitive. He doesn't have the power to hurt Hearns, and id you can't do that you have no chance to beat him.
It's a pipe dream for Wright to win one round? One round? Please. Juan Roldan won 1 round.
Hearns didn't win every round in every fight.
This may be news to you as well, but Hearns was very inconsistent after the Hagler fight. He lost to the great Iran Barkley twice. He barely beat Kinchen. Doug DeWitt won rounds off of him. Certainly not inconceivable that Wright could beat him or at least make it close against a post-Hagler Hearns.
Of course Hearns is going to land some punches; but certainly not as many as he usually did. There would be some close rounds and rounds that Wright would win.
It certainly isn't going to be 120-108 or 150-135. That is my main point.
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SaadOffTheDeck
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LOL, try reading the sentence again.Ambling Alp II wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Hearns struggled with Doug DeWitt? That's news. Sure Winky could win a round or two, anymore than that is a pipe dream and he isn't beating any version of Hearns, ever. His defense was solid, nothing Tommy couldn't penetrate. I just picked out two of his better opponents that he didn't have a big size edge on. Sam Soliman landed frequently on Winky as well.
His defensive prowess would probably just keep Hearns working his jab and throwing occasional right hands. Tommy was never out-boxed in his career. Well after Hagler he thoroughly out-boxed Virgil Hill. Of all of these guys, Winky is easily the least competitive. He doesn't have the power to hurt Hearns, and id you can't do that you have no chance to beat him.
It's a pipe dream for Wright to win one round? One round? Please. Juan Roldan won 1 round.
Hearns didn't win every round in every fight.
This may be news to you as well, but Hearns was very inconsistent after the Hagler fight. He lost to the great Iran Barkley twice. He barely beat Kinchen. Doug DeWitt won rounds off of him. Certainly not inconceivable that Wright could beat him or at least make it close against a post-Hagler Hearns.
Of course Hearns is going to land some punches; but certainly not as many as he usually did. There would be some close rounds and rounds that Wright would win.
It certainly isn't going to be 120-108 or 150-135. That is my main point.
Hearns was never out-boxed in his life. That's how Winky won fights, he has no chance of beating any version of hearns that ever entered a ring.
As I said, Winky could win a round or two. You've gone from saying he could win to demanding he wouldn't get shut out. Maybe you're right, I disagree. Either way, there is no conceivable scenario outside of a Hearns injury that sees Wright win.
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Ambling Alp II
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Re: Thomas Hearns Versus
I haven't changed what I am saying at all.
(I guess you have a bit; earlier you said that Hearns would win by a shutout and are now saying Wright could win a round or two.)
If both were at their best, Hearns would win but Wright would win a few rounds.
Hearns was inconsistent after the Hagler fight; Wright would probably make it close and might win if he fought a post-Hagler.
(I guess you have a bit; earlier you said that Hearns would win by a shutout and are now saying Wright could win a round or two.)
If both were at their best, Hearns would win but Wright would win a few rounds.
Hearns was inconsistent after the Hagler fight; Wright would probably make it close and might win if he fought a post-Hagler.
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Re: Thomas Hearns Versus
I picked Hearns by shutout, that's still my pick.If you want to argue the semantics of a shutout versus a dominant win, fair enough. Winky could win a round or two, what he could never do is win. He's far and away the biggest long-shot on that list.Ambling Alp II wrote:I haven't changed what I am saying at all.
(I guess you have a bit; earlier you said that Hearns would win by a shutout and are now saying Wright could win a round or two.)
If both were at their best, Hearns would win but Wright would win a few rounds.
Hearns was inconsistent after the Hagler fight; Wright would probably make it close and might win if he fought a post-Hagler.
Re: Thomas Hearns Versus
Tommy could take Monzon in a 10 rounder... 15 no chance... 12...maybe but I'd lean towards Carlos.
The others really have very little chance.
Hearns is one of the few fighters who enjoyed fighting defensive boxers. It's why I just don't see the defensive masters like Mayweather and Whittaker really having much of a chance with him...as good as those boxers are...
The others really have very little chance.
Hearns is one of the few fighters who enjoyed fighting defensive boxers. It's why I just don't see the defensive masters like Mayweather and Whittaker really having much of a chance with him...as good as those boxers are...
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Re: Thomas Hearns Versus
Thomas Hearns vs Carlos Monzon: This would be a great fight. A classic. I could see both trying to outjab each other. Both at 6'1", would not have an advantage in reach nor height against each other. But King Carlos was stronger and had better chin and could hurt Tommy. The Hitman did not had the greatest of chins, and after 5 rounds, he did not had the best of a punch. After round 5, it would be all King Carlos by KO before the 10th.Vladimir5555 wrote:Carlos Monzon
Chris Eubank
Jose Luis Lopez
Terry Norris
Winky Wright
Thomas Hearns vs Chris Eubank: No matter how you see it, you have to pressure the Hitman in order to win. Eubank cannot do that. Hearns by UD.
Thomas Hearns vs Jose Luis Lopez: I do not care how this fight turns out, this is a TOTAL MISMATCH, EVEN IF THE FIGHT IS AT WELTERWEIGHT.
Thomas Hearns vs Terry Norris: I don't know if "Terrible Terry" would sign for the fight to tell you the truth. You may have to give Norris about at least 15 million to fight him. At 154lbs, Hearns was at his best weight class. This is a MASSACRE if Norris decides to fight. Both had chinna chins, but I think Hearns' chin was better. Even if Norris were at 154lbs and Tommy at 147lbs, STILL, Hearns would destroy him.
Thomas Hearns vs Winky Wright: It would be a very interesting match of good boxing skills. And Winky could box and fight very well on the inside. The PROBLEM is, can he do it against the Hitman? Winky might win some rounds, but, Hearns wins by UD. He would not stop Winky. Winky is too clever to fall on Hearns trap.