Joe Louis vs Larry Holmes

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 23 Nov 2005, 14:45

RazorKO wrote: John Tate former heavy weight champion of the wolrd.

You - a nobody.

That makes two of us

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 23 Nov 2005, 17:29

RazorKO wrote:
Broncano wrote:
evndrbsn wrote: Yeah ... go CoAtzee ... he coulda been a champ for a long time if he never had to fight greats like Greg Page.
Nonsense...

http://www.expats.co.za/extra/images/me ... oetzee.jpg

Forget CoAt-Zee, I say KALLIE KNOETZE would have been a great champ if he hadn't run into all time greats like JOHN TATE!
John Tate former heavy weight champion of the wolrd.

You - a nobody.

I'd rather be a nobody than Razor Ruddock's butt plug.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 23 Nov 2005, 17:30

RazorKO wrote:
evndrbsn wrote:
RazorKO wrote:Nope, that just means that even thought Coetzee was KO'ed at 3:50 by Page, at least he never got starched by Glencoffe Johnson.
Nope, CoAtzee was starched in one round by Frank Bruno, who was hardly the caliber of fighter Glen Johnson is. Frank Bruno: Big puncher, bad stamina, even worse chin. CoAtzee: So-so chin, good power, horrible stamina. I dare you to say CoAtzee was not at his best in the Bruno fight because then you will just look stupid. Neither was Roy, so whats the point? At least Roy went nine rounds and was competitive during a couple of them. CoAtzee went timber in the Bruno fight (and most others), just like your buddy Ruddock. Remember Lewis-Ruddock? Tiimmmmbber! That was funny. You should watch the clip again, it would be good for you.
Too late moron, I already explain why he was past his best in the Gerrie Coetzee thread.

Jones was startched by a Glencoffe Johnson - A journeyman fighter who has lost 10 times and doesnt posses a hard punch either. At least Bruno can punch (His punch was measured per square inch and found to be harder than Tysons). Roy Jones ducked a fat old diabetes suffering Buster Douglas - What more can you say? (He also avoided DM)

Good, then you already made yourself sound stupid. You failed to mention that at least half of Johnson's losses were outright robberies or questionable decisions at best. At least you don't make yourself out to be knowledgable about the sport. That would be a disaster!

Thanks for showing how little information your brain can process. Simplicity is an admirable thing. Just stick to living in "CoAtzee & Ruddock Fairy Land" and let everyone else talk boxing.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 23 Nov 2005, 20:29

funny how hes a die hard coatzee and ruddock fan. i wonder how he managed to love that combination.

funny how he says coatzee was poast his prime vs bruno.

well what about his losses to great HOF john tate and incredible HOF journeyman mike weaver??

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 23 Nov 2005, 23:11

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:funny how hes a die hard coatzee and ruddock fan. i wonder how he managed to love that combination.

funny how he says coatzee was poast his prime vs bruno.

well what about his losses to great HOF john tate and incredible HOF journeyman mike weaver??

For all I care, he can have CoAtzee, Ruddock, and Bruno and do whatever he wants with them. I'm just glad they are retired (hopefully).

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 24 Nov 2005, 08:09

evndrbsn wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:funny how hes a die hard coatzee and ruddock fan. i wonder how he managed to love that combination.

funny how he says coatzee was poast his prime vs bruno.

well what about his losses to great HOF john tate and incredible HOF journeyman mike weaver??
For all I care, he can have CoAtzee, Ruddock, and Bruno and do whatever he wants with them. I'm just glad they are retired (hopefully).

Werent you the one who said Ruddock's body was 'chisled' in the Ruddock vs Tua thread.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 24 Nov 2005, 12:12

RazorKO wrote:
evndrbsn wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:funny how hes a die hard coatzee and ruddock fan. i wonder how he managed to love that combination.

funny how he says coatzee was poast his prime vs bruno.

well what about his losses to great HOF john tate and incredible HOF journeyman mike weaver??
For all I care, he can have CoAtzee, Ruddock, and Bruno and do whatever he wants with them. I'm just glad they are retired (hopefully).
Werent you the one who said Ruddock's body was 'chisled' in the Ruddock vs Tua thread.

If you recalled what really happened, aka the facts (what the big boys use), you would remember when I released a RazorKO quote among the BoxRec world that sent shockwaves:

evndrbsn wrote:
RazorKO wrote: I have exposed you as a Boxrec hunter.
You've just exposed yourself as a Razor Ruddock groupie. RazorKO, "Ooooh Ruddock, you are so chiseled. Can you take your shirt off for me again?"

Apparently your comment has attracted the attention of two of BoxRec's more interesting characters (names withheld). Both of the below have expressed a desire to meet up with you, so have your pick. I know you can't just choose one!

http://www.txroadrunners.com/images/pic ... rWomen.jpg

http://www.bigdanhoskins.com/images/tophat.jpg

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 24 Nov 2005, 17:47

evndrbsn wrote:
RazorKO wrote:
evndrbsn wrote: For all I care, he can have CoAtzee, Ruddock, and Bruno and do whatever he wants with them. I'm just glad they are retired (hopefully).
Werent you the one who said Ruddock's body was 'chisled' in the Ruddock vs Tua thread.

evndrbsn wrote:
RazorKO wrote: I have exposed you as a Boxrec hunter.
"Ooooh Ruddock, you are so chiseled. Can you take your shirt off for me again?"

CAUGHT!

tiredoldngrey · Post by **tiredoldngrey** » 24 Nov 2005, 18:39

These two are fairly similar in their style: both like to come forward behind a strong straight left hand, bring the right behind it. Mobility is about a match: Holmes moved around more before he was champ, more forward march as champ. Louis was very efficient and effective with his shuffle. Holmes had fast hands but threw longer punches: Louis was very fast and punched shorter and harder. Also Louis has an edge in the Holmes rarely punched the body and didn't throw a left hook to speak of (unless somebody has seen fights of his that I haven't); he was a jab right hand right uppercut fighter. Louis was a master at every punch in the book.
Both men hit the canvas in their careers and they got up, only being ko'd by the new bull in the pen (Marciano and Tyson). Louis was the better man at slipping jabs to stay in the midrange as he pressed a fight His jab would back Holmes up and hjis matchless combinations would lerad to a tko after 12 or a UD going away

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 25 Nov 2005, 00:18

RazorKO wrote:
evndrbsn wrote:
RazorKO wrote: Werent you the one who said Ruddock's body was 'chisled' in the Ruddock vs Tua thread.

evndrbsn wrote: "Ooooh Ruddock, you are so chiseled. Can you take your shirt off for me again?"
CAUGHT!

Obviously by removing key words such as RazorKO being denoted as the speaker. That's ok, if you aren't comfortable with everyone knowing your true feelings for Ruddock and CoAtzee, come out at your own leisure. You can play around and displace your anger at all of us who disagree with your assertion that Ruddock was the best thing since sliced cheese, but we all really know you are just taking up for your "special" friend.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 25 Nov 2005, 01:13

frank bruno KO 1 prime coatzee

Dave Jaco TKO 7 Razor Ruddock- how the hell didnt ruddock finish that glass chin in 1 or 2 rounds. the fight should not even gone past 5.

jaco = the skinny wimpy giant with a jaw so bad its not worth calling glass.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 25 Nov 2005, 12:24

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:frank bruno KO 1 prime coatzee

Dave Jaco TKO 7 Razor Ruddock- how the hell didnt ruddock finish that glass chin in 1 or 2 rounds. the fight should not even gone past 5.

jaco = the skinny wimpy giant with a jaw so bad its not worth calling glass.

Didn't you ever see Gladiator with Cuba Gooding Jr (not the Russell Crowe film!)? Ruddock and Jaco were friends pitted against each other against their will by an evil promoter. Ruddock found out if Jaco got hit in the head again, he could suffer serious brain damage and die. He went strictly to the body to try to win, but unbeknowst to him, Jaco had a cast iron set of ribs. Jaco never really liked Ruddock and told him his spinach casserole was less than adequate. Ruddock, devastated at the news, promptly had an asthma attack.

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 25 Nov 2005, 12:43

RazorKO wrote:
evndrbsn wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:funny how hes a die hard coatzee and ruddock fan. i wonder how he managed to love that combination.

funny how he says coatzee was poast his prime vs bruno.

well what about his losses to great HOF john tate and incredible HOF journeyman mike weaver??
For all I care, he can have CoAtzee, Ruddock, and Bruno and do whatever he wants with them. I'm just glad they are retired (hopefully).
having a chizled body doesnt make u a HOF fighter. i have a chizled body im not in the HOF... ok its not chizled..i confess..but im in good shape... maybe ill be in the jersey HOF...
Werent you the one who said Ruddock's body was 'chisled' in the Ruddock vs Tua thread.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 25 Nov 2005, 14:51

Rory McCloskey wrote:
RazorKO wrote:
evndrbsn wrote: For all I care, he can have CoAtzee, Ruddock, and Bruno and do whatever he wants with them. I'm just glad they are retired (hopefully).
Werent you the one who said Ruddock's body was 'chisled' in the Ruddock vs Tua thread.
having a chizled body doesnt make u a HOF fighter. i have a chizled body im not in the HOF... ok its not chizled..i confess..but im in good shape... maybe ill be in the jersey HOF...

Try to make RazorKO understand that. Mike Weaver was an imposing looking guy but he was no elite fighter, same as Ruddock. Ruddock was crap.

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 25 Nov 2005, 14:52

what's this thread about again?

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 25 Nov 2005, 15:01

Broncano wrote:what's this thread about again?

Uh ... let me try to make something up. Currently it is supporting the case that all fighters with imposing physiques (aka Frank Bruno, Mike Weaver) are not necessarily world beaters. Fighters such as Larry Holmes and Joe Louis, who are the topic of this thread, did not have Adonis-like physiques, yet are top ten heavyweights on nearly every list. So in a battle of less than awe-inspiring muscular builds, Holmes and Louis, we have an interesting match up that many are evenly split on.

I take Holmes over Louis by TKO in the tenth

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 25 Nov 2005, 16:06

evndrbsn wrote:
RazorKO wrote:
evndrbsn wrote:

CAUGHT!
Obviously by removing key words such as RazorKO being denoted as the speaker. That's ok, if you aren't comfortable with everyone knowing your true feelings for Ruddock and CoAtzee, come out at your own leisure. You can play around and displace your anger at all of us who disagree with your assertion that Ruddock was the best thing since sliced cheese, but we all really know you are just taking up for your "special" friend.

Changing the subject are we?

I stand by my judgement............... CAUGHT!

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 25 Nov 2005, 17:13

RazorKO wrote:
evndrbsn wrote:
RazorKO wrote: Obviously by removing key words such as RazorKO being denoted as the speaker. That's ok, if you aren't comfortable with everyone knowing your true feelings for Ruddock and CoAtzee, come out at your own leisure. You can play around and displace your anger at all of us who disagree with your assertion that Ruddock was the best thing since sliced cheese, but we all really know you are just taking up for your "special" friend.
Changing the subject are we?

I stand by my judgement............... CAUGHT!

You are caught? Yes, very true. You have been singled out to be in love with Ruddock. May you have a beautiful wedding ceremony and adopt many kids together. Just make sure CoAtzee doesn't get too jealous. You'll need to keep him happy on the side. Be careful not to come into physical contact with CoAtzee though because the slightest touch renders him unconscious. He goes tiiiiiimber and its Greg Page and Frank Bruno all over again.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 25 Nov 2005, 17:26

Dave Jaco TKO 7 Razor Ruddock
Frank Bruno KO 1 Gerrie Coatzee

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 25 Nov 2005, 18:57

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:Dave Jaco TKO 7 Razor Ruddock
Frank Bruno KO 1 Gerrie Coatzee

Ruddock KO 1 SuzieQ49
Coetzee KO 1 Brocktonblockbuster49

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 25 Nov 2005, 19:45

RazorKO wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:Dave Jaco TKO 7 Razor Ruddock
Frank Bruno KO 1 Gerrie Coatzee
Ruddock KO 1 SuzieQ49
Coetzee KO 1 Brocktonblockbuster49

So now CoAtzee is going to track Brockton to his house and challenge him to a boxing match? I don't know, Brockton has a pretty good chance against CoAtzee. If CoAtzee gets caught with a pinky he might be down for the count.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 26 Nov 2005, 04:39

evndrbsn wrote:
RazorKO wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:Dave Jaco TKO 7 Razor Ruddock
Frank Bruno KO 1 Gerrie Coatzee
Ruddock KO 1 SuzieQ49
Coetzee KO 1 Brocktonblockbuster49
So now CoAtzee is going to track Brockton to his house and challenge him to a boxing match? I don't know, Brockton has a pretty good chance against CoAtzee. If CoAtzee gets caught with a pinky he might be down for the count.

john tate 15 unanimous coatzee- tate gives coatzee boxing lesson

josh576 · Post by **josh576** » 26 Nov 2005, 13:32

wow what an interesting fight holmes v louis would be....i could see holmes either out-boxing louis and winning a comfortable decistion or i could see louis punish holmes with combinations early, wear him down, and pounce on him somewhere in the last 3 rds. tough style match-up....I have ali winning a decision over louis, but i dont think holmes has quite the chin enough to take joe's best shots over a full 15. louis was a completely different style of puncher than shavers, for shavers would hit you hard with wild shots, but louis was a calculating combination puncher with extrodinary stamina. tought call but ill go with

louis tko 14 holmes

josh576 · Post by **josh576** » 26 Nov 2005, 13:37

what about tate v louis (prime)

Tate gives louis a boxing lesson, louis never fought an all-time great of the calibre of tate. I'd say tate out-manuevers louis, out-classes louis, forces him to retire after 12 embarrassing rounds. People also forget the dempsey-esque left hook bombs tate threw. louis' chin may become exposed.

tate ko 12 louis

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 26 Nov 2005, 20:08

evndrbsn wrote:
RazorKO wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:Dave Jaco TKO 7 Razor Ruddock
Frank Bruno KO 1 Gerrie Coatzee
Ruddock KO 1 SuzieQ49
Coetzee KO 1 Brocktonblockbuster49
So now CoAtzee is going to track Brockton to his house and challenge him to a boxing match? I don't know, Brockton has a pretty good chance against CoAtzee. If CoAtzee gets caught with a pinky he might be down for the count.

CAUGHT!