Fury calling out Roy Jones jnr

[lillywhite14]

Agree to disagree.

Horse, would you say Price would be number two right now had he managed to finish the tiger off in the second round of their rematch...

I suspect I know the answer...

Thompson almost ticks all the boxes for a possible Fury opponent...old, seen better days, don't hit particularly hard. If he was only four inches shorter and 20lbs lighter he would be perfect!

[handsofstone]

I,d go as far as to say Fury/Jones would be worst match up in history of boxing,it,ll never happen though thank goodness as even boxing wouldnt embarress itself like that

[Horse]

Agree to disagree.

Horse, would you say Price would be number two right now had he managed to finish the tiger off in the second round of their rematch...

I suspect I know the answer...

No, but he'd be in the top 10 or so.

Price's record would not be as good as Fury's or Pulev's even with a win against Thompson.

Thompson almost ticks all the boxes for a possible Fury opponent...old, seen better days, don't hit particularly hard. If he was only four inches shorter and 20lbs lighter he would be perfect!

Who's a better opponent than Thompson? Thompson has decent power, there aren't many in the division who are clearly more dangerous punchers.

Fury has one of the best records in the heavyweight division, attacking his level of opposition is absurd.

[lillywhite14]

I'm a Fury fan but his opponents have always had an asterix next to them. Cunningham is finished and has done nothin at heavyweight. He is also a cruiserweight. Johnson was never anything remotely special and couldn't even emerge victorious from prizefighter...
Chisora is a good win and I would back Fury to beat him even if he is in shape ( something people usually bring up when talking about this fight, to me it doesn't matter )

Thing is, with Tyson, I'm always left a little frustrated. I see very little risk being taken. That's all well and good and hardly unusual but it seems a little silly when he and a few of his extreme followers chat about him being the best in the division, or even second best...

I want to see him genuinely tested. Lets see him in with a genuine heavyweight who has mixed at the top level and has more than just a bit of a dig on him. Thompson would be a decent keep busy fight and he would cause Tyson a few problems. I would prefer to see him in against Arreola, Helenius or even Wlder though.
One fighter I don't want to see him in with anytime soon is Adamek. Unfortunately I can see this fight being made. Shame, because again, he is a cruiserweight who's best days are long behind him and he has looked poor in his recent outings.

[lefty]

I'm a Fury fan but his opponents have always had an asterix next to them. Cunningham is finished and has done nothin at heavyweight. He is also a cruiserweight. Johnson was never anything remotely special and couldn't even emerge victorious from prizefighter...
Chisora is a good win and I would back Fury to beat him even if he is in shape ( something people usually bring up when talking about this fight, to me it doesn't matter )

Thing is, with Tyson, I'm always left a little frustrated. I see very little risk being taken. That's all well and good and hardly unusual but it seems a little silly when he and a few of his extreme followers chat about him being the best in the division, or even second best...

I want to see him genuinely tested. Lets see him in with a genuine heavyweight who has mixed at the top level and has more than just a bit of a dig on him. Thompson would be a decent keep busy fight and he would cause Tyson a few problems. I would prefer to see him in against Arreola, Helenius or even Wlder though.
One fighter I don't want to see him in with anytime soon is Adamek. Unfortunately I can see this fight being made. Shame, because again, he is a cruiserweight who's best days are long behind him and he has looked poor in his recent outings.

Fury should be able to see Thompson off purely because he's a bit tougher than Price is and would be willing to take more risks. Fury vs Pulev, now that would be interesting.

[lillywhite14]

Fury has already turned down the chance to fight Pulev so I don't hold out too much hope of that taking place.

As I say, I'm a fan of Fury but I just want to see him tested properly. H has at the stage now where he needs that step up. If he hoodwinks his way to a title shot then it will reduce his chances hugely if and when it does happen.

[Horse]

I'm a Fury fan but his opponents have always had an asterix next to them. Cunningham is finished and has done nothin at heavyweight.

He beat Adamek according to most people, so he had done something pretty good at heavyweight.

He is also a cruiserweight. Johnson was never anything remotely special and couldn't even emerge victorious from prizefighter...

What have Dimitrenko or Ustinov done that is special?

Thing is, with Tyson, I'm always left a little frustrated. I see very little risk being taken. That's all well and good and hardly unusual but it seems a little silly when he and a few of his extreme followers chat about him being the best in the division, or even second best...

Who is taking risks? Fighting Chisora was a risk, that was seen as a 50-50 fight.

He's already No. 3 in the division, talk about him being No. 2 in the division isn't silly at all.

[lillywhite14]

I'm a Fury fan but his opponents have always had an asterix next to them. Cunningham is finished and has done nothin at heavyweight.

He beat Adamek according to most people, so he had done something pretty good at heavyweight.

He is also a cruiserweight. Johnson was never anything remotely special and couldn't even emerge victorious from prizefighter...

What have Dimitrenko or Ustinov done that is special?

Thing is, with Tyson, I'm always left a little frustrated. I see very little risk being taken. That's all well and good and hardly unusual but it seems a little silly when he and a few of his extreme followers chat about him being the best in the division, or even second best...

Who is taking risks? Fighting Chisora was a risk, that was seen as a 50-50 fight.

He's already No. 3 in the division, talk about him being No. 2 in the division isn't silly at all.

Adamek is finished. The fact Cunningham ran him so close proved that for me. He has looked poor since Vitali battered him.

He isn't number three in the division. That's your opinion. I have him on a similar level to a rake of other contenders, nothing more.

The Chisora fight was enjoyable, as most Fury fights are. It was a million years ago though and I had Tyson beating him beforehand, afterwards and at any point from now on too. I've never really rated Del Boy that highly although he has improved since that night for sure. They both have.

As I say, I want Fury to take a risk, where he doesn't have all the physical advantages and is facing someone who can bang. It will certainly put him in a better position to win should he ever face the likes of Wlad.
I would love to see him fight Arreola, Helenius, Pulev or Wilder. I would love to see him win too ( not so sure if that but it will be entertaining watching him try )

[Horse]

Adamek is finished. The fact Cunningham ran him so close proved that for me. He has looked poor since Vitali battered him.

I suppose if Cunningham had beat Vitali then he'd be washed up and a worthless win as well.

He isn't number three in the division. That's your opinion. I have him on a similar level to a rake of other contenders, nothing more.

It's many people's opinion: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=175853

Let's see your rankings then.

[lillywhite14]

Adamek is finished. The fact Cunningham ran him so close proved that for me. He has looked poor since Vitali battered him.

I suppose if Cunningham had beat Vitali then he'd be washed up and a worthless win as well.

He isn't number three in the division. That's your opinion. I have him on a similar level to a rake of other contenders, nothing more.

It's many people's opinion: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=175853

Let's see your rankings then.

No. He would have been heavyweight champion of the world and it would have been as big a upset in the division since Douglas beat Tyson!
Adamek looked shit against Chambers and Guinn too. His best performance at heavyweight came four years ago. He is done. At the top, top level anyway.
Cunningham has done nothing at heavyweight. He is old too. That's why he moved up.

I don't dispute its many people's opinion, but that's all it is. An opinion. I suspect plenty don't have him that high either, including the major organisations, who actually count. I think Fury is only ranked in the top 3 or 4 of one of the organisations. So not exactly that conclusive.
In reality he is no higher placed than the rest of the contenders. Pulev and Stiverne are next in line given they have won eliminators so I guess that pushes them ahead of the contender crowd.

You need to stop being so defensive. Believe it or not, not sucking Tyson Fury's cock at any given opportunity doesn't mean I don't rate him, support him or want to see him succeed. Its called perspective.

Who would you like to see Fury fight next, or over his next three or so fights then?

For me, Chisora, Thompson and Adamek is going over old ground ( in Chisora's case, literally )
Thompson brings something different so could and should be a goer. Could be an easy one to make too

I would like something like Thompson, Arreola then Wilder or possibly Wlad, assuming he comes through those of course.

[Horse]

No. He would have been heavyweight champion of the world and it would have been as big a upset in the division since Douglas beat Tyson!
Adamek looked poo against Chambers and Guinn too. His best performance at heavyweight came four years ago. He is done. At the top, top level anyway.
Cunningham has done nothing at heavyweight. He is old too. That's why he moved up.

Cunningham has done something at heavyweight, you are simply wrong to suggest otherwise.

I don't dispute its many people's opinion, but that's all it is. An opinion. I suspect plenty don't have him that high either, including the major organisations, who actually count. I think Fury is only ranked in the top 3 or 4 of one of the organisations. So not exactly that conclusive.
In reality he is no higher placed than the rest of the contenders. Pulev and Stiverne are next in line given they have won eliminators so I guess that pushes them ahead of the contender crowd.

You think the ABC rankings are more accurate than independent fan rankings?

Who would you like to see Fury fight next, or over his next three or so fights then?

Thompson, Helenius & Chagaev.

[keithmoonhangover]

Calling out Roy Jones is shameless IMO.