Off Topic - Bye Bye Bestie

numpty · Post by **numpty** » 25 Nov 2005, 09:02

Just been confirmed.

George Best, love him or hate him, has died.

RIP

The Hawk · Post by **The Hawk** » 25 Nov 2005, 09:12

RIP George Best. Enough said.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 25 Nov 2005, 09:17

Slapsie Maxie wrote:someone just reminded me of the ( apocryphal probably ) story he told of laying in a bed with a former miss world with the room strewn with wads of cash and empty champagne bottles

The waiter walks in with his latest order of Dom Perigon and says

" Mr Best, do you mind if I ask you a questions"

"sure" says Bestie "go ahead"

"well" says the waiter " where did it all go wrong"

Too good to be true, but kind of sums the man up for me

Slapsie

Yes, the woman in question has subsequently said the above is a load of cobblers and never happened...

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 25 Nov 2005, 09:22

Fantastic quote of Best's has just come up on the news:

"I used to go missing a lot...Miss UK, Miss Canada...

RIP George

Boxingmad · Post by **Boxingmad** » 25 Nov 2005, 09:22

RIP George Best.

Just looking at the old footage of him playing. I know nothing about football, but he was special.

Let's hope he gets a big send-off. He deserves it.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 25 Nov 2005, 09:25

RIP but he wasted a good liver that would of went to someone who needed it and didn't want to drink it away.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 25 Nov 2005, 09:29

RIP BESTIE. Maybe the wrong time but wasn't he way overated as a played a great icon all the same.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 25 Nov 2005, 09:30

Max Molyneux wrote:RIP but he wasted a good liver that would of went to someone who needed it and didn't want to drink it away.

The majority of people who have liver transplants do so because of drink related illness and many of them start drinking again after the transplant. Best was certainly not the only person to start drinking again after a transplant.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 25 Nov 2005, 09:32

True but at least some actually tried to stop drinking.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 25 Nov 2005, 09:35

I’ve plenty of respect for Best as a footballer, and fair play to him – he lived the boozy, womanising life he chose. But I can’t for a second feel sad about him dying, because the aforementioned life he chose doesn’t warrant sympathy.

Footballing legend, but also a serial woman-beater (he beat one of his wives half to death in a drink-fuelled rage a while ago). I can well imagine the Best you saw in public was nothing like the Best other people saw in private.

Anyway, I’m not judging the man. It’s not my right to, and this isn’t the time.

He’s gone. Some people will be sad, many won’t. I feel far more sad about the policewoman shot dead in Bradford recently…though I expect that news story is fade away far quicker than the George Best one….

Knowing this country, there will probably be a 2 minute silence for him next week...

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 25 Nov 2005, 09:37

silkov wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:RIP but he wasted a good liver that would of went to someone who needed it and didn't want to drink it away.
The majority of people who have liver transplants do so because of drink related illness and many of them start drinking again after the transplant. Best was certainly not the only person to start drinking again after a transplant.

Actually arent there many reasons for Liver Transplants - a genetic weak liver, diseases, conditions. You've goto ask if the liver Bestie got was somewhat shagged in the first place giving it gave out so soon.

Steroids can destroy livers too - steroid users take liver pills to protect their livers - alchos should too

BunglesFingers · Post by **BunglesFingers** » 25 Nov 2005, 09:38

Best tried to kick the booze several times but couldn't.

RIP

And for those who question his talent, when Pele was asked who the best player in the world was, his answer was George Best.

Coconut · Post by **Coconut** » 25 Nov 2005, 09:39

Loftgroov wrote:Knowing this country, there will probably be a 2 minute silence for him next week...

You know, this is something I can't understand. I always remember silences being one minute. When did they go to two and why have they remained so?

I'm thinking it was a Remeberance Sunday anniversary which went to two and things haven't gone back.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 25 Nov 2005, 09:45

Loftgroov wrote:I’ve plenty of respect for Best as a footballer, and fair play to him – he lived the boozy, womanising life he chose. But I can’t for a second feel sad about him dying, because the aforementioned life he chose doesn’t warrant sympathy.

Footballing legend, but also a serial woman-beater (he beat one of his wives half to death in a drink-fuelled rage a while ago). I can well imagine the Best you saw in public was nothing like the Best other people saw in private.

Anyway, I’m not judging the man. It’s not my right to, and this isn’t the time.

He’s gone. Some people will be sad, many won’t. I feel far more sad about the policewoman shot dead in Bradford recently…though I expect that news story is fade away far quicker than the George Best one….

Knowing this country, there will probably be a 2 minute silence for him next week...

As for choosing his life, Best didn't choose to be an alcoholic, nobody does. I think the stories of the women etc were used to papaer over the fact that for the most part he was a very unhappy man due to his drink problems.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 25 Nov 2005, 09:47

Coconut wrote:
Loftgroov wrote:Knowing this country, there will probably be a 2 minute silence for him next week...

You know, this is something I can't understand. I always remember silences being one minute. When did they go to two and why have thy remained so?

I'm thinking it was a Remebrance Sunday anniversary which went to two and things haven't gone back.

Its almost like a sort of weird one-upmanship isn't it. I think it's because there became a "fashion" for silences so it seemed. It was always only on Remembrance Sunday...and then a trigger was when Diana died...and then its as if people got hooked. All of a sudden when Fred the local lawnmower man died there had to be a minutes silence so it seemed...

I think they nudged the more "important" ones up in time to differentiate perhaps.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 25 Nov 2005, 09:53

silkov wrote:
Loftgroov wrote:I’ve plenty of respect for Best as a footballer, and fair play to him – he lived the boozy, womanising life he chose. But I can’t for a second feel sad about him dying, because the aforementioned life he chose doesn’t warrant sympathy.

Footballing legend, but also a serial woman-beater (he beat one of his wives half to death in a drink-fuelled rage a while ago). I can well imagine the Best you saw in public was nothing like the Best other people saw in private.

Anyway, I’m not judging the man. It’s not my right to, and this isn’t the time.

He’s gone. Some people will be sad, many won’t. I feel far more sad about the policewoman shot dead in Bradford recently…though I expect that news story is fade away far quicker than the George Best one….

Knowing this country, there will probably be a 2 minute silence for him next week...

As for choosing his life, Best didn't choose to be an alcoholic, nobody does. I think the stories of the women etc were used to papaer over the fact that for the most part he was a very unhappy man due to his drink problems.

Well.... I agree with you unto a point. Of course, nobody "chooses" to be an alcoholic. But anyone with an ounce of common sense (and I'm not getting at Best here) MUST KNOW that excessive drinking of this nature could lead to it, even if you are naturally somehow more pre-disposed.

It's a bit like gorging yourself on chocolate, cake, crisps etc...smoking..and doing sod all exercise ...and then when you develop heart disease someone turning round and saying "well come on... they didn't CHOOSE to develop heart disease did they"....

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 25 Nov 2005, 09:53

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
silkov wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:RIP but he wasted a good liver that would of went to someone who needed it and didn't want to drink it away.
The majority of people who have liver transplants do so because of drink related illness and many of them start drinking again after the transplant. Best was certainly not the only person to start drinking again after a transplant.
Actually arent there many reasons for Liver Transplants - a genetic weak liver, diseases, conditions. You've goto ask if the liver Bestie got was somewhat shagged in the first place giving it gave out so soon.

Steroids can destroy livers too - steroid users take liver pills to protect their livers - alchos should too

His liver didn't fail, it was the anti-rejection drugs which did him in, they caused complications because they weaken the immune system, that is why he couldn't fight off the infection.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 25 Nov 2005, 10:07

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
silkov wrote: The majority of people who have liver transplants do so because of drink related illness and many of them start drinking again after the transplant. Best was certainly not the only person to start drinking again after a transplant.
Actually arent there many reasons for Liver Transplants - a genetic weak liver, diseases, conditions. You've goto ask if the liver Bestie got was somewhat shagged in the first place giving it gave out so soon.

Steroids can destroy livers too - steroid users take liver pills to protect their livers - alchos should too
His liver didn't fail, it was the anti-rejection drugs which did him in, they caused complications because they weaken the immune system, that is why he couldn't fight off the infection.

So it wasn't the alcoholism that messed up his new liver then afterall

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 25 Nov 2005, 10:19

REQUIESCAT IN PACE
George Best

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 25 Nov 2005, 10:25

George Best - he did it his way

jimmy from the green · Post by **jimmy from the green** » 25 Nov 2005, 10:25

RIP George Best - Its a sad day for sport.

Neri · Post by **Neri** » 25 Nov 2005, 10:50

Loftgroov wrote:I’ve plenty of respect for Best as a footballer, and fair play to him – he lived the boozy, womanising life he chose. But I can’t for a second feel sad about him dying, because the aforementioned life he chose doesn’t warrant sympathy.

Footballing legend, but also a serial woman-beater (he beat one of his wives half to death in a drink-fuelled rage a while ago). I can well imagine the Best you saw in public was nothing like the Best other people saw in private.

Anyway, I’m not judging the man. It’s not my right to, and this isn’t the time.

He’s gone. Some people will be sad, many won’t. I feel far more sad about the policewoman shot dead in Bradford recently…though I expect that news story is fade away far quicker than the George Best one….

Knowing this country, there will probably be a 2 minute silence for him next week...

It is messed up how there will be more mourning for a legendary footballer who drank himself to death than a woman police officer shot, someone who risked their life to protect communities.

Its sad about George Best but he had one hell of a life most of us couldn't dream about. RIP anyway

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 25 Nov 2005, 11:01

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: Actually arent there many reasons for Liver Transplants - a genetic weak liver, diseases, conditions. You've goto ask if the liver Bestie got was somewhat shagged in the first place giving it gave out so soon.

Steroids can destroy livers too - steroid users take liver pills to protect their livers - alchos should too
His liver didn't fail, it was the anti-rejection drugs which did him in, they caused complications because they weaken the immune system, that is why he couldn't fight off the infection.
So it wasn't the alcoholism that messed up his new liver then afterall

I won't say it helped, but the death was a result of secondary infection and internal bleeding caused by the drugs taken for his new liver.

What most people don't realise is that people who have transplant operations, have to take drugs for the rest of their lives to prevent their bodies rejecting the donor organ. The side effects of these drugs are pretty unpleasant, and cause all kinds of medical complications if someone falls ill, as the drugs directly attack the immune system to supress it.

My uncle died recently from complications arising from a heart surgery, which were caused by the drugs he was given when they replaced his elbow joints..

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 25 Nov 2005, 11:17

He did it his way, and I would have probably copied him if I had his talent and looks.

If some of the stories of the violence in some of his relationships were true, then thats out of order - but he lived to the full and didn't hear any stories of finacial problems - despite retireing early.

I'll be raising a glass to him tonight.

Have a good time with Oli Reid and Richard Harris in that busy pub in the Sky, George.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 25 Nov 2005, 12:30

There can be no question that, Matt Le Tissier aside, he was probably the best British footballer there has been.