Joe Frazier vs. Jerry Quarry II ~ June 17, 1974

[yancey]

Joe did use the right hand well in the second Quarry fight.

Still, on that night in '74 I reckon Joe and Jerry were about 75% physically of what they were five years previously.

[elmersalsa]

I agree that both of them were not the same of what they used to be, but boy, they always give the public their money's worth, even when they were slowing down.

[yancey]

I agree that both of them were not the same of what they used to be, but boy, they always give the public their money's worth, even when they were slowing down.

Yep, never a doubt about Jerry and Joe's heart.

[yancey]

I agree that both of them were not the same of what they used to be, but boy, they always give the public their money's worth, even when they were slowing down.

Yep, never a doubt about Jerry and Joe's heart.

Yancey,

You know, after Joe beat Jerry that night at Madison Square Garden.

Joe and Edde Futch were 'so chummy', each praising each other while discussing Yank Durham as a 'Father Figure'.

Have to mention Yancey 'Yank' Durham............'A MAN'

Yes, Yank Durham was extremely important to Joe.

My moniker "yancey" is in his honor.

Just wish Joe would have taken Durham's advice to hang 'em up after the FOTC.

[Duch]

As far as I remember Quarry didn't fight in the short distance in the second fight as it was in the first one. Why?

[Duch]

As far as I remember Quarry didn't fight in the short distance in the second fight as it was in the first one. Why?

Are you asking why Jerry didn't get in close and 'slug' in the 2nd Bout with Joe Frazier ???

Yes. They both fought like that for the 1st time but Quarry changed it during the 2nd fight. I know Quarry lost the 1st fight but... I found this comment on yt:

"John Taylor

Quarry's right hand is clearly hurt. As far as I can tell he basically stopped using it in round 3. If reports were correct that Quarry hurt his left hand in camp then it's a frigging miracle he made it as far as he did with Frazier here, effectively fighting one, if not zero handed, lol I'd say also he's not in condition to fight Frazier altho admittedly fighting with both hands hurt is an enormous strain on a fighter even a well conditioned one esp against a tough fighter like Frazier"

I noticed that he stopped using his right hand in round 3 too. He fought very well with Frazier as an inside boxer. It wasn't bad. If it's true that his hand wasn't good after 2 rounds that means that he didn't lose just because of this style. In addition, he fought as an inside fighter in the first fight and he lost after the 7th round, when he changed it in the 2nd fight he lost in the 5th round.

[yancey]

I have a soft spot for Jerry, but...

the excuses that Quarry hurt his hands against Frazier and that Frazier fought dirty are BS.

Jerry Quarry couldn't have beat Joe Frazier with a freaking chain saw.

[yancey]

Thanks for bringing back memories with your research, Duce.

You are an asset to this forum.

p.s. I'm a bit surprised that this fight was rated a toss-up or nearly so by the oddsmakers. However, it does show how Frazier had clearly dropped off from his '69 form.

[evrenb]

This has always been one of my favourites...the atmosphere...the slugging match...Frazier's left hook along the ropes at the end of round 4...WOW! Never forget that...Fraizier's bolt of lightning. Quarry so brave but he just could not handle Frazier...Louis was too late in stopping the contest.
Frazier only lost to two men...you cant get too much better than that!
R.I.P - Joe and Jerry two absolute treasures of our game when Boxing ruled the World...

[yancey]

This has always been one of my favourites...the atmosphere...the slugging match...Frazier's left hook along the ropes at the end of round 4...WOW! Never forget that...Fraizier's bolt of lightning. Quarry so brave but he just could not handle Frazier...Louis was too late in stopping the contest.
Frazier only lost to two men...you cant get too much better than that!
R.I.P - Joe and Jerry two absolute treasures of our game when Boxing ruled the World...

"Frazier's left hook along the ropes at the end of round 4" evrenb

Evrenb, I bet we are thinking of the same punch.

The hook I recall momentarily put Jerry "out" on his feet but Jerry recovered and did not go down. But that punch was frightening because I wouldn't be too surprised that it did lasting damage right then and there. Jerry was one hell of a game fighter.

[evrenb]

This has always been one of my favourites...the atmosphere...the slugging match...Frazier's left hook along the ropes at the end of round 4...WOW! Never forget that...Fraizier's bolt of lightning. Quarry so brave but he just could not handle Frazier...Louis was too late in stopping the contest.
Frazier only lost to two men...you cant get too much better than that!
R.I.P - Joe and Jerry two absolute treasures of our game when Boxing ruled the World...

"Frazier's left hook along the ropes at the end of round 4" evrenb

Evrenb, I bet we are thinking of the same punch.

The hook I recall momentarily put Jerry "out" on his feet but Jerry recovered and did not go down. But that punch was frightening because I wouldn't be too surprised that it did lasting damage right then and there. Jerry was one hell of a game fighter.

I seem to remember he lingered out with a jab and then switched to a wicked left which left Jerry as though he had been shot..how he didn't go down is beyond me...always been one of my 'favourite' punches and one of the hardest I have ever seen thrown....wicked it was.

[actjac]

Both would now be considered all time greats as cruiserweight champions had the division existed then.

[yancey]

Round 5

{0:01} > At the Bell, Joe comes flying out of his corner to Center-Ring.
{0:03} > Jerry meets Joe, and quickly back up.
{0:03} > Joe fires a medium-power left to Jerry's head.
{0:05} > Joe comes back with a right uppercut that misses.

{0:08} > Jerry moves to his right, and goes back towards the front-left Neutral Corner.
{0:12} > Joe forces Jerry into the Corner.
{0:14} > Joe jabs hard with the left hand.
{0:15} > Joe scores with a good right hand lead to Jerry's left eye.

{0:18} > Joe unloads with a '4-Punch' left-right-left-left combination to Jerry's head.
{0:21} > Joe backs off, as he see's that Jerry is now badly cut over the left eye.
{0:22} > Joe bounces on his toes as he backs up to Center-Ring.
{0:22} > Jerry moves out of the Corner and towards Joe.

{0:25} > Joe tosses out a left jab to the head as Jerry moves in.
{0:26} > Jerry backs up to the Corner again.
{0:27} > Joe moves in and fires a hard 'left-right', but misses.
{0:28} > Jerry counters with a straight right hand to Joe's face.

{0:31} > Joe tosses out '3' solid left jabs into Jerry's face.
{0:32} > Jerry is game, but is out-gunned.
{0:34} > Jerry moves to his right, along the front Ropes.
{0:35} > Joe lands another solid left jab on Jerry's 'cut' right eye.

{0:36} > Jerry paws at his right eye with his right glove.
{0:37} > Jerry heads into the front right Corner. {Frazier's Corner}
{0:40} > Joe unloads a hard '5-Punch' combination to Jerry's body.
{0:42} > Jerry bends to his right, and is hurt.

{0:43} > Referee - Joe Louis looks in at Jerry's cut over his right eye.
{0:44} > Jerry walks to his right along the right side Ropes.
{0:45} > Joe fires hard left jab at Jerry's left eye.
{0:46} > Jerry winces, while his back is on the Ropes.

{0:47} > Joe moves in and fires a 'left-right', but they both miss as Jerry ducks.
{0:49} > Joe lands a solid right hand to Jerry's left eye.
{0:49} > Jerry is hurt.
{0:50} > Referee - Joe Louis takes a good look at Jerry.

{0:52} > Jerry is hurt, and walks towards the back right Neutral Corner.
{0:54} > Joe points to Jerry's right eye, and turns away to his right, not wanting to hit Jerry.
{0:55} > Jerry lifts both gloves up near his head, and touches his right eye with his Right Glove.
{0:56} > Joe is walking away, as Jerry steps forward.

{0:58} > Joe walks towards his corner as Jerry flows him.
{0:59} > Joe turns around, and backs out to Center-Ring not wanting to hit Jerry.
{1:00} > Jerry follows Joe out to Center-Ring.
{1:01} > Joe calls out to Referee - Joe Louis > "He's cut Joe".

{1:02} > Referee - Joe Louis does nothing.
{1:05} > Joe moves forward and throws '2' light punches as Jerry backs up.
{1:06} > Jerry backs up to the right side Ropes.
{1:07} > Joe sends a high left jab over Jerry's head.

{1:10} > Joe moves in, and tosses a light 'left-right' as Jerry bends.
{1:11} > Joe is 'pulling' his punches, and does not want to hurt Jerry.
{1:12} > Jerry moves to his right, along the right-back Ropes.
{1:13} > Joe slams Jerry with a hard right to the body.

{1:14} > Joe comes back up upstairs with a hard left hook to Jerry's head.

The 5th round was further testament to the great sportsmanship of Joe Frazier. He clearly wanted Louis to stop the fight and did not want to hurt Quarry further.

There were numerous calls from the crowd for Louis to stop the fight, including one very loud voice "Stop it, Joe!" which was Angelo Dundee, I think.

Louis really had no business refereeing this fight. I don't blame him, I blame the promotion.

[yancey]

The notion that Cosell and others put forward that Frazier's style was made for Quarry is nonsense.

In truth, how in hell was Quarry ever supposed to deal with Frazier?

He tried head to head in the first match when they were both in their primes and got devastated.

In the second fight, Clancy had Quarry trying to move, but what did that do? Joe simply came and got him. Forced Jerry to trade.

Joe was great, Jerry was close to great. He could have been the champ in some other eras.

[yancey]

Jerry Quarry at the end of Round 4, while taking a knee.

Jerry was battered by Joe Frazier throughout Round 4. A vicious left hook to the right Kidney area dropped
Jerry at the {2:58 Mark}. An exhausted Jerry could not hold off Joe anymore.

Jerry gallantly got up at the 5-Count, and walked back to his corner, but he was a beaten man. Jerry fought
a courageous battle, but was exhausted and had nothing left.

Head Cornerman - Gil Clancy should have stopped it right then and there. And not allow Jerry to come out
for Round 5.

Great research, Duce.

It is interesting that Dunphy initially thought Quarry was not wearing a mouthpiece.

I can't help but feel that at least some of Jerry's later troubles stemmed from those two Frazier fights. He took some terrific shots.

[yancey]

I remember watching a nationally televised baseball game the night of Frazier-Quarry II. Legendary Curt Gowdy was calling the baseball game and announced the result of the fight with the comment "looks like Smokin' Joe is back."

[yancey]

The hook that Frazier landed on Quarry at 2:14 of round 4 was scary. Quarry actually went to sleep for a second or two. How he stayed up is amazing.

[Duch]

From where do you get all this information? Were you collecting newspapers about boxing? Do you find it in the Internet?

[yancey]

Jerry Quarry and his wife, Arlene 'Charley' Charles

An emotionally-filled Dressing Room at Madison Square Garden. Jerry, who had high hopes of
a victory, had his Dream 'destroyed' by Joe Frazier.

Jerry and 'Charley' Quarry were crying uncontrollably in the Dressing Room after the one-sided bout.
While Jerry and 'Charley' were on the bench crying, the Dressing Room Door quietly opened.

It was Joe Frazier. Joe quietly walked over to Jerry who slowly stood up to meet Joe. Joe stuck out his
hand and said > "Jerry, you're a good fighter."

Jerry smiled, and shook Joe's hand and said > "Joe, you're one Helluva Man. Thanks."

Joe then turned to 'Charley' Quarry and shook her hand and said > "Your Husband is a Good Man. Take care of him."

'Charley' Quarry responded with a polite > "Thank You Joe. That means a lot to us."

Joe turned and quietly walked to the Door. As he looked back, Jerry and 'Charley' were still crying. Joe lifted up his
hand, and waved to the both of them and said > "Take care Jerry."

As Joe left, 'Charley' said out loud > "That man has Class. I don't care what Muhammad Ali says. That man has a lot of Class."

[yancey]

Ring Magazine 'May 1974'

'Jerry Has A Notion Of A New Image'




Only one month earlier, Jerry Quarry graced the front cover of Ring Magazine.
Proclaimed as the 'New Image' Jerry Quarry. Now a smart-thinking boxer, and not the 'Stubborn-Slugger'.

Jerry said, that under the direction of Gil Clancy >
"I concentrate on counter-punching and boxing. My talent is in counter-punching and using my left hook."

But the Boxing Pundits said, that though Jerry is a talented counter-puncher, his natural instinct is to slug and
brawl when hit. He still has a bad defense, and still takes too many punches. He is the Modern-Day - George Chuvalo
'a catcher'.

After the Bout with Joe Frazier >

'Hard Sell For Some Hard Knocks'
-It's The Same Old Jerry Quarry-

Jerry again took too many punches. Jerry fought well in Round 1, and held his own for Round 2. Jerry did land some
good punches in Round 3, but took many as well. In Round 4, he was ineffectual and was gasping for air early in the
Round. A thudding left hook body punch by 'Smokin Joe' at the end of Round 4 finished him.

Foolishly, he was sent out for Round 5, where he took a brutal and one-sided beating.

Jerry Quarry > "I'm not sure I can make it back. I trained harder than I ever had for a fight. I just had nothing left
when I came out for Round 4. I had trouble seeing, but I wanted to go on."

I wonder if things would have changed for Jerry had he retired right then and there. Same for his brother Mike.

I think Mama Quarry really pushed for Jerry to quit at that point.

[Chuck1052]

After the debacle involving Joe Louis as the referee in the second bout between Joe Frazier and Jerry Quarry, has there been a celebrity referee in an important bout since that time? Of course, who can forget the debacle involving Jersey Joe Walcott as the referee in the second world heavyweight championship bout between Muhammad Ali and Sonny Liston? For any important bout, there should only be a regular referee who has been the third man in recent bouts.

- Chuck Johnston

[Chuck1052]

The New York State Athletic Commission was asleep at the switch when it allowed the second bout between Joe Frazier and Jerry Quarry to refereed by Joe Louis even if the bigwigs of Madison Square Garden and the camps of Frazier and Quarry signed off on it.

- Chuck Johnston

[yancey]

Chuck,

Tony Perez was supposed to be the Referee.

But Joe Frazier and Eddie Futch said............"No Way in Hell will Perez be in the Ring."

Can you blame the Frazier team for not wanting anything to do with Perez?

[BoxBuzz]

What? What was the problem? Tony was Smokin' Joes bestest buddy, and could always be counted on to give Joe a breather which could have come in handy if Jerry would have tapped him a bit harder than a good cricket match would allow.

[BoxBuzz]

Nope, just offerin' up some contrary opinion. Just in case you didn't know it, Perez was criticized by both Ali and Frazier fans after the second go round. Though you can be counted on to be quite myopic on this matter.

Ali and Joe are both in my top five favorite fighters of all time. Both examples of the best of the best.

Any other off base assumptions you'd like to offer up?